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    Quote Originally Posted by crisgr View Post
    To make it more clear, my idea/proposal is to have Association Stars, after all association operate with stars, but have them calculated in a way opposite they work on leagues, that decide if a player goes to next level or stays on the same.

    Example. Imagine 2 players on level 50 having teams of 269 quality at the end of a season. That means both have 5* teams.
    First one is promoted to level 51. His quality of 269 as next season starts is now 4*.
    Second stays on level 50, having his quality of 269 unchanged in view of stars, remaining at 5*.
    On associations things are the same way.
    So a let's say good manager who goes to next level, does harm his association, reducing its stars from 5 to 4.
    The 'bad' manager (a tanked maybe) who stayed on the same level, keeps his association as strong it was, at 5*.

    In other words an association with members that level up gets weaker, while if it consists of players who stay on the same level it keeps its strangth.
    The easy thing looks to stay on the same level. That's what tankers do. They do not lose stars on league and they transfer them as they are on associations.

    But what if Association Stars were counted differently?
    On our example, in case you level up, your team with lose 1 star, but on association he will keep the stars.
    So, the player who went from level 50 to level 51, he won't lose his stars on his association, like in league, where his team will be 4*, but he will keep it, so in associations he will have 5* team.
    The one who stayed on level 50, he will keep having 5* team on league, but for associations he shall lose 1 stars, thus his team on association will be considered as 4*.

    Just think of a manager on level 50 with young players of quality 269 that tanks (stays level) for 5 seasons and he sees hie players going to 289 quality during those 5 seasons. What quality will his team be on the league? 9 stars! Right! So 9 stars on associations, too! Wow!

    Now think the same manager under my proposal. Bo change to his team quality on leagues. Again a 9 star team.
    The difference is on associations! He should lose 1 star for every tanking season, resulting in only a 4* team on associations!!!!

    So, I am asking. Who is going to do tanking for association stars?

    Nordeus officials here, please take a look at this proposal. Thanks.

    Edit: As promoted will be considered a manager who finished 1-8 or went to the next level, because on high levels, due to lack of teams, it happens that managers who have finished 1-8, stay on same level.
    What you fail to grasp is that Associations only works on Quality%, not Levels, Stars and Quality rating (the absolute number). The solution to this problem must be something that is simple and easy for people to understand - and the game mechanics to implement. How far do you take the proposed 'Association Level'? You have two ideas - A team that promotes will keep their 'Association Star'', and 'A team that tanks will lose a star'. Whatever is used, after a few seasons the disparity will be so large that it will just get confusing.

    There are other things apart from tanking that is going on. The kicking out of teams and replacement by new Level 1 teams on new accounts, abuse of the loan system (sorted to some extent and now to be removed), using rests on said loan players (sorted to some extent and redundant when loaning is removed), mutant players (restricted, but still a problem). Whatever else is done, there will always be someone who will find a loophole to exploit.

    Associations as it stands is IMO beyond rescue, and needs to be withdrawn and completely revamped, for the good of the Top Eleven game.
    Last edited by talisman; 10-30-2017 at 09:58 PM.
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