The new skill cap

Nordeus, do you capped just physics, to avoid the mutant sprinters and wrestlers, or is it capped to all skills?

How I understand, you capped them all, but this causes three problems:
- the training drills are more stupid than before
- player still gain after the game % to capped skills :rolleyes:
- how should the "normal" player know, that's useless to get skill to 400%?

for example: now... how to train useful wingers their crossing skill, without missing creativity? Or to train without waste a lot on gray skills (like "set-piece delivery": marking/heading or "wing play": heading, or "defending crossing": marking, heading, bravery)
On the other hand... if we need to train creativity: "skill drill": heading or "use your head": positioning, heading and... passing, what we easily get over 340% or "video analysis": positioning and bravery...

Just take a look on my legend Costa: he played around 800 (of 827) games AML, so he gained a lot skills for this position. He was over 400% passing... that was his best skill. If I took a look at all my wingers, I've ever had: the highest skill was passing - even before I knew, what I did. Crossing is often the worst (attacking) skill... and that's for a winger.

If you need that... I could example all position, where we get a lot of problems with that drills.


I never complained at that stupidness of a lot of skill on the drills (like for GK: you can't train them fitness without using at least one gray skill), because it didn't matter, how high a single skill was. Now... with the easiest way to "solve" the mutant-problem, you have to redesign your (drill-)skill system.

You also have to stop giving player, who reached the skill cap another points to this skill.


At the end... there's just one more question: is the skill system that kind of ridiculous easy, that this mutants rule everything? Shouldn't it be a better solution, that they can run fast, but miss 99/100 shots, if they have 1% at attacking skills?
Let them run 100m in 4sec... If a defender has 100% positioning/marking, the sprinter never gets a ball?


fyi: I've a lot of player, who have more than 340% at a skill - and no, no mutants, I train them balanced (see the pic)- and for me... cap is okay, but stupid in the way, they implented it yet...
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I don't see where the problem is ? Skill drill system has always been the same with or without max cap ! Creativy has always been difficult to enhance without gain in grey attributs too !

Your suggestion with new skill drill system could have beeen suggested one month before even one year too !

The problem is only for tanker ! If you are not one you can enhance above 340 % without having some troubles like you seem to have , it is just " useless " % at this instant but next season you will lost 20% so you still will be at the top !

In fact actual skill drill system is very good cause it forces you to elaborate the best training compilation of drills to enhance each players in the better way you think ( for you and me i believe it is enhancing white skills in priority )

What you want is a "self service " solution , where using your brain disappear , i don't know if i'expres myself good ?

Too,simple , i prefer " brain storming " solutions where the best managers can emerge and take advantage against those who don't think' too much to their training and managing way .

And i think Nordeus does it in this way !

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Originally Posted by nash123

Nordeus, do you capped just physics, to avoid the mutant sprinters and wrestlers, or is it capped to all skills?

How I understand, you capped them all, but this causes three problems:
- the training drills are more stupid than before
- player still gain after the game % to capped skills [emoji57]
- how should the "normal" player know, that's useless to get skill to 400%?

for example: now... how to train useful wingers their crossing skill, without missing creativity? Or to train without waste a lot on gray skills (like "set-piece delivery": marking/heading or "wing play": heading, or "defending crossing": marking, heading, bravery)
On the other hand... if we need to train creativity: "skill drill": heading or "use your head": positioning, heading and... passing, what we easily get over 340% or "video analysis": positioning and bravery...

Just take a look on my legend Costa: he played around 800 (of 827) games AML, so he gained a lot skills for this position. He was over 400% passing... that was his best skill. If I took a look at all my wingers, I've ever had: the highest skill was passing - even before I knew, what I did. Crossing is often the worst (attacking) skill... and that's for a winger.

If you need that... I could example all position, where we get a lot of problems with that drills.


I never complained at that stupidness of a lot of skill on the drills (like for GK: you can't train them fitness without using at least one gray skill), because it didn't matter, how high a single skill was. Now... with the easiest way to "solve" the mutant-problem, you have to redesign your (drill-)skill system.

You also have to stop giving player, who reached the skill cap another points to this skill.


At the end... there's just one more question: is the skill system that kind of ridiculous easy, that this mutants rule everything? Shouldn't it be a better solution, that they can run fast, but miss 99/100 shots, if they have 1% at attacking skills?
Let them run 100m in 4sec... If a defender has 100% positioning/marking, the sprinter never gets a ball?


fyi: I've a lot of player, who have more than 340% at a skill - and no, no mutants, I train them balanced (see the pic)- and for me... cap is okay, but stupid in the way, they implented it yet...
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Lol no way man, what I understood is all the attributes were cosmetic and the engine either detects AVQ of a player from certain columns or from the total value of the columns, but as PHY drills is most effective on a player (as most of them improves maximum 3 or 4 attributes) who do that mutants were saving more greens too. That's what I understood.

@Kaizer

He is right, please try to understand, he talks about some drills improve the attributes with other attributes that are at cap level.


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My first solution would be the cap to be set at 500% because when we power train our players and they are fast trainers they can reach 340% too easy and it's not normal to have this low cap, 500% it's harder to reach even with using a lo of greens...My other solution would be to do something with the skills gained above 340% and not be a total waste as it is after this new change...If your skill reaches 340% then assign it to other skilsl from same category, but of course Not the grey ones...

@ Kaizer Franz,

never met such a troll like you. You aren't interested in changings or understanding the needs of it... but I try it one more time for you... only for you... :cool:

1.) I neither tank(ed), manipulate(d) the draw, bought T or anything else of the easy ways. I never went an easy way. So don't tell about me, I only want an easy way.

2.) If skills ever matter or not (I think, in any way they matter, because you see that on the mutants), with a cap, you can't reach the cap for key attributes closely.

3.) At the current drill system without the cap, a player took advantage of 400% passing. Even, another skill is on 200%. The the reason, why I never talked/complained about the drills/drill system. You understand? I doubt.
With the cap, if a player had 400%, there are 60% wasted. No advantage of having more than 340%, only a waste.

4.) 340% cap... why do players get more points after a match (a situation, what you can't controll like drills)? another waste of % - finally, my "best" player had a waste of totally 185%. Again for you: only ONE!! player. I don't know how many % my squad wastes... I think 700-800%. Do you know, how many greens that are? 700-800% waste from one day to the other...
only because of stupid skill system, what causes mutants?

5.) I never talked about easy way of training/drills, but with that (low) cap, it's impossible to train useful.
5.1.) f.e. we have defending crosses and set-piece delivery. In real world scenario it's pretty much the same - only the point of view (if you are a defender or an attacker) is different, so why does this drills different things?
If there are the same drill, why the attacking doesn't the only attacking skills?
5.2.) to be more detailed: "stop the attacker" gives you strengh, dribbling, tackling, marking and bravery. If you are the attacker in this case, you never would learn to tackle better. ;)
5.3.) back to set-piece delivery: if it's an attacking training, why doesn't it train finishing (and shooting - if the crossing is good, attacker also can shoot)
5.4.) wing play on the other hand doesn't meant to be an attacking drill. Doesn't a left defender be a wing player?

6.) again, hopefully you will understand (but I doubt): before the cap, it didn't matter, if a single skill grew up to 400% or more, if you wanted to train the other skills, because the player took an advantage. Now, he didn't.

7.) I don't have a problem with a cap, even it's so low, but the solution wasn't well thought. Maybe you tell Arjen Robben, he was too fast (he had 500% sprint, for sure)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAPxcVioyQk

Now, good manager will get attacker and defender with 340% at speed... a bit boring, if the defender runs exactly same speed... (this situation would never been thrilling)
But... with a useful skill system, where 1% at dribbling is a penalty, Robben would never score this goal. He never could stop the ball. He only would run off the pitch.

8.) I'm not Kaizer Franz, who wants all the advantages for himself only. I think to all managers, I think to all out there, who develop players, try to solve the puzzle. I don't complain the low cap, even my squad wastes a lot. I try to show, what problems we get with this easy fix.
8.1) I never used the loan trick, I never used the mutants, I never used draw manipulation, because I tried to play the game, I think Nordeus thought about. I don't destroy normal player with using exploits for my own advantage, but in this poor world there are many Kaizer Franz', who do all for their own advantage, never think about anyone else... and now cry, because they need a new strategy/exploit... the only reason, why all of you cry about changes and complain about the "noobs" who didn't know/use exploits...

9.) I'm not perfect. (Maybe) My suggestions aren't perfect, but in this forum are a lot manager, who see a weakness and try to fix that with their own suggestions. You aren't such a person, so

10.) Please... stay away from threads, you don't understand, you don't try to understand. Thread, where you see your own advantage gone.

I don't know if my perception is not enough to understand some things about the game but so far I haven't notice any connection of the skills and player's performance.
I didn't notice that in the old T11 too.

Example my player Muhren. 4th year for him in the team, he is fast trainer and have the higher attacking skills in my team.
Besides a very high crossing skill, he has also this sa.
But didn't help him to have enough successful corners in my League so far. (keep in mind that I 'm playing in a very weak league of 3* teams).
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Later I put my new star, RIjkaard , kicking also one side and then replace totally Muhren as he showed more talent.
82% vs 243% at crossing :o
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So, what is the connection of individual skills with performing some actions in live games ?
Nothing.
It's only the total quality, the "talent", maybe a hidden factor like affecting performance in one season.
It's just that some Vietnamese players discovered that 1000% glitch and spread the news.

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Originally Posted by nash123

@ Kaizer Franz

never met such a troll like you. .

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Don't know how many times it tooks to you to wrote this entire post , but for me , after reading thoses few words i stop the reading :p

Nik, just a stupid idea, but what if in this case creativity matters?

Or... what if SA works better, if important Skills are low (f.e. Header works better with low heading :p)?

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Originally Posted by nash123

Nik, just a stupid idea, but what if in this case creativity matters?

Or... what if SA works better, if important Skills are low (f.e. Header works better with low heading [emoji14])?

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Could be. We exactly should ask Tom if he kept the details, he had a star player, Chojak, played with him almost since we were at level 2 or 3, he was like Costa, even when he was 5* were almost scoring all the goals of his team, even I was stronger, my GKs always conceded, he had a FK SA, what I remember about him is he had a creativity skill above other skills and some of his skills were 1%. I had a star player with FK too, Dean Way, I always trained him balanced, he was very good too, but not much that like Chojak, I mean I was training Dean Way to 7* and 8*, he was playing like a real star, but Chojak was doing this at 5* and Tom was putting him as a ST, was always scoring more than his AMR/AMLs. I didn't keep the details of Way, but if Tom did it we may ask.

Or maybe he was way more better internal talented player than Way, I don't know..

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Originally Posted by nash123

Nik, just a stupid idea, but what if in this case creativity matters?

Or... what if SA works better, if important Skills are low (f.e. Header works better with low heading :p)?

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but both have C-K sa and this should work the same .

Creativity might counts for corners but not more than crossing skill.
Still, for those two players it's 243 +55% and 82 +118% for Rijkaard.

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Originally Posted by Antonio Gustavo Hernandez

Could be. We exactly should ask Tom if he kept the details, he had a star player, Chojak, played with him almost since we were at level 2 or 3, he was like Costa, even when he was 5* were almost scoring all the goals of his team, even I was stronger, my GKs always conceded, he had a FK SA, what I remember about him is he had a creativity skill above other skills and some of his skills were 1%. I had a star player with FK too, Dean Way, I always trained him balanced, he was very good too, but not much that like Chojak, I mean I was training Dean Way to 7* and 8*, he was playing like a real star, but Chojak was doing this at 5* and Tom was putting him as a ST, was always scoring more than his AMR/AMLs. I didn't keep the details of Way, but if Tom did it we may ask.

Or maybe he was way more better internal talented player than Way, I don't know..

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I studied chojak a lot. And I mean a lot. I think a lot was internal tbh. Having said that he also played for a great manager who trained him well and played in a way 2 suit him. The fk sa helped. Think of cantona managed by sir Alex lol

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ive never had a player anywhere near 300% for any skill. seriously some of you on here need to have a word with yourselves. having meltdowns over a game. sort yourselves out.

ive never seen so many people have such hissy fits over stuff that doesnt matter before ever.

you must be part of this snowflake generation i hear about that cant cope with adversity or not getting their own way [emoji38]

get a grip lads you are acting like a bunch of old women on here.


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Originally Posted by RedManc7

ive never had a player anywhere near 300% for any skill. seriously some of you on here need to have a word with yourselves. having meltdowns over a game. sort yourselves out.

ive never seen so many people have such hissy fits over stuff that doesnt matter before ever.

you must be part of this snowflake generation i hear about that cant cope with adversity or not getting their own way [emoji38]

get a grip lads you are acting like a bunch of old women on here.


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Then you have no idea on how this game it's played and your management skills are weak at best...Maybe you should play some baseball instead of football? LOL

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Originally Posted by Alessio Fitch

Then you have no idea on how this game it's played and your management skills are weak at best...Maybe you should play some baseball instead of football? LOL

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Baseball is a very strategic game

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Originally Posted by Antonio Gustavo Hernandez

Could be. We exactly should ask Tom if he kept the details, he had a star player, Chojak, played with him almost since we were at level 2 or 3, he was like Costa, even when he was 5* were almost scoring all the goals of his team, even I was stronger, my GKs always conceded, he had a FK SA, what I remember about him is he had a creativity skill above other skills and some of his skills were 1%. I had a star player with FK too, Dean Way, I always trained him balanced, he was very good too, but not much that like Chojak, I mean I was training Dean Way to 7* and 8*, he was playing like a real star, but Chojak was doing this at 5* and Tom was putting him as a ST, was always scoring more than his AMR/AMLs. I didn't keep the details of Way, but if Tom did it we may ask.

Or maybe he was way more better internal talented player than Way, I don't know..

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Chojak was an amazing player that carried my team for many seasons, and holds games played, goals, and assist records for my team that will never be broken. RIP Chojak. He was a pure ST only, and he did have FK SA. In his prime he was a FK ace, but I always enjoyed the goals off corner kicks he scored. His strongest skill was Heading, followed by creativity, passing, shooting. Wish I could take credit for something special I did to him, but I generally trained all his white skills. By 23-24, he'd played so many seasons that his grey skills dropped to 1%, but he kept playing great. As called out in the thread, I think Chojak had internal talent that could not be seen, and perhaps his talent was enhanced by his white skill strengths.


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Originally Posted by Sqltom

Chojak was an amazing player that carried my team for many seasons, and holds games played, goals, and assist records for my team that will never be broken. RIP Chojak. He was a pure ST only, and he did have FK SA. In his prime he was a FK ace, but I always enjoyed the goals off corner kicks he scored. His strongest skill was Heading, followed by creativity, passing, shooting. Wish I could take credit for something special I did to him, but I generally trained all his white skills. By 23-24, he'd played so many seasons that his grey skills dropped to 1%, but he kept playing great. As called out in the thread, I think Chojak had internal talent that could not be seen, and perhaps his talent was enhanced by his white skill strengths.


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Can you share screen shots of ur chojak?

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Originally Posted by Sqltom

Chojak was an amazing player that carried my team for many seasons, and holds games played, goals, and assist records for my team that will never be broken. RIP Chojak. He was a pure ST only, and he did have FK SA. In his prime he was a FK ace, but I always enjoyed the goals off corner kicks he scored. His strongest skill was Heading, followed by creativity, passing, shooting. Wish I could take credit for something special I did to him, but I generally trained all his white skills. By 23-24, he'd played so many seasons that his grey skills dropped to 1%, but he kept playing great. As called out in the thread, I think Chojak had internal talent that could not be seen, and perhaps his talent was enhanced by his white skill strengths.


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Also enhanced by his manager sending him on special spa breaks lol

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So an example that just crossed my mind..You're playing at bets there is no cap on maximum winnings, then after you win a lot of cash the betting company tells you they will only pay you a certain amount of the cash, Not all cause that's what they want to do...How is this bs fair?? I have my superstar with 4 skills over 340% but Under 500% how I suggested the cap to be, and now I can't possible train my player because he will gain skills in those categories that are over the cap...So what do I do in this situation? I let him untrained and to become a **** player? Because after this cap, me and my friends we've noticed that out capped players on skills play like bull**** and not as the superstars they are and how they've played before...THis situation needs to be addressed by Nordeus because this is simply stealing the greens we've used and we will be using and it's not fair in a million year !!!

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Also enhanced by his manager sending him on special spa breaks lol

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It does not work mate. I sent Way, Hamadou and Bassi's father (my former 3 star players) to Thailand and paid all their expenses after got the first +3 Cup, they came demoralized lol Maybe they had private problems, I do not know lol.

@Tom; Mine situation is same pal, never got a player like Way after him, his records are unique too. Nordeus should give both of us a mixture of Chojak and Way, an internal talented MC-AMC-ST player with FK lol. By the way, wasn't Chojak a rec?

@Alessio; Do not waste your time with this smartass, I bet he has never had a player beyond 7*.

Plus only ones complain in this thread are Alessio and Nash, and they have logical reasons. Also, I bet the most principled person is Roger in this thread and he also has players of which some attributes are beyond 300%. As I remember Chojak also had some attributes beyond 300%.

imho, none of these thinks matter. the game is just random and created in such a way that it fools managers to think that these things actually matter. As shown by the player who couldnt cross so well but still had more assists than the super crosser with the correct special ability.

also, what exactly is a mutant player?

Nash has a disgusting team. He has a striker that shows as 174% passing and I'm 9 levels above him. last 5 matches his ratings are 9-10-10-10-10. Nordeus is making a good decision for most managers that will hurt their income from the 5% token buyers that top up with 500 or more T per season.

Football has become more businesslike over the last 3 decades and I don't mind this game reflecting that. Just punish the super teams by reverting them back to the old draw system that made cups and CL extremely hard. +1 cups and CLs are for amateurs, give them +3-4 level cup and CL competition and they will shift to a different style of teambuilding.

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Football has become more businesslike over the last 3 decades and I don't mind this game reflecting that. Just punish the super teams by reverting them back to the old draw system that made cups and CL extremely hard. +1 cups and CLs are for amateurs, give them +3-4 level cup and CL competition and they will shift to a different style of teambuilding.

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I hope mate, I hope. Maybe that way I and people like me would be able to quit permanently, and you and people like you wouldn't be able to play and get good updates. I really hope.

hey guys, you 're going out of topic.

The issue here is that in old Top Eleven 2014-15, the skill points were in numbers (+ the limit of 20 sp) and in 2016-17 it's in %
which nobody knows how it works (ok, except some Vietnamese :o)
and that's not improvement for a managerial game.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

hey guys, you 're going out of topic.

The issue here is that in old Top Eleven 2014-15, the skill points were in numbers (+ the limit of 20 sp) and in 2016-17 it's in %
which nobody knows how it works (ok, except some Vietnamese :o)
and that's not improvement for a managerial game.

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Chill out man, or should I send you too to Thailand? LOL

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Originally Posted by Antonio Gustavo Hernandez

It does not work mate. I sent Way, Hamadou and Bassi's father (my former 3 star players) to Thailand and paid all their expenses after got the first +3 Cup, they came demoralized lol Maybe they had private problems, I do not know lol.

@Tom; Mine situation is same pal, never got a player like Way after him, his records are unique too. Nordeus should give both of us a mixture of Chojak and Way, an internal talented MC-AMC-ST player with FK lol. By the way, wasn't Chojak a rec?

@Alessio; Do not waste your time with this smartass, I bet he has never had a player beyond 7*.

Plus only ones complain in this thread are Alessio and Nash, and they have logical reasons. Also, I bet the most principled person is Roger in this thread and he also has players of which some attributes are beyond 300%. As I remember Chojak also had some attributes beyond 300%.

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Thanks Antonio. I am a big believer in fair play and the game being played the right way. Anyway getting back to topic my principles break the skills debate into the following categories;

Exploit - those who seek to abuse faults in the programming. Move players through different teams. Train only 1 or 2 physical drills 2 end up with a player who has say 1000+ speed and fitness with 1% all other skills. These are not footballers and are what are referred to as mutants. I will not generalise to say where these users may be based as not fair to do so.

Genuine advantage seekers - I would class myself and many others in this. Active competitive managers who enjoy the game watch lots of videos. Some buy some tokens (not me) and study the game to seek an edge. For example, I would buy 2 or 3 18yo beginning of each season and power train using conserved greens from videos. I train them to say 120% within week 1 and they end season close to 140%. Season 2 I may use another 50 greens on such players. Due to how the players lose skills and also due to the power training where I may use similar drills (ie. Pass go shoot for attacking players), these players may end up at age 21 with a number of 1% skills and say 3 skills (passing shooting speed) above 300%. I like strikers and wingers to be able pass have pace and shoot. Sounds reasonable. I do agree nordeus perhaps need to tinker with the skills and training somewhere so things don't drop to 1%. But that is for them to solve not me.

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To be fair, every time someone breathes near your player he should fall over LOL :rolleyes::confused:

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Originally Posted by Antonio Gustavo Hernandez

I hope mate, I hope. Maybe that way I and people like me would be able to quit permanently, and you and people like you wouldn't be able to play and get good updates. I really hope.

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I'm not your mate.

I've supported Nordeus through tokens from time to time also through videos. I enjoy their product but I enjoy healthy competition more. I feel I am close to the mean in terms of a TE manager: 2+ years playing, spent between 5-50$, login almost daily. Why shouldn't they be making the game as enjoyable as possible for people like me? You're the outliers, not the average.
Token-wasting no-skill wallet warrior losers that probably play one formation all season with the same 11 players.

Get capped.

Or have fun rebuying your team every season under the new auction system if they revert to the old draw.

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I'm not your mate.

I've supported Nordeus through tokens from time to time also through videos. I enjoy their product but I enjoy healthy competition more. I feel I am close to the mean in terms of a TE manager: 2+ years playing, spent between 5-50$, login almost daily. Why shouldn't they be making the game as enjoyable as possible for people like me? You're the outliers, not the average.
Token-wasting no-skill wallet warrior losers that probably play one formation all season with the same 11 players.

Get capped.

Or have fun rebuying your team every season under the new auction system if they revert to the old draw.

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1-Yes, you are not my mate, you can't be, what took you so long? I saw you posted yesterday, you don't even have a self confidence to express yourself genuinely.

2-I have been playing for 1 year. What's the difference? I don't even remember how much money I have paid, I watch videos too. But yes, that's the problem of this company not mine, not yours, they should open a VIP customer section. By the way, they are still doing it enjoyable for you and people like you, +1 is quite fair, you still have a +20% advantage to compete if you don't have an opponent like me, how you say "rare", that goes beyond 150s%.

3-You're wrong, I have not been capped and will not be and even if I will, 25-50 G would be nothing for me when all the power training finished for my first eleven in a season. I don't even know how many X10 of these amounts I have been spending for my first 11 for the last three seasons.

4-Well, I played many seasons in the old draw system too. so it wouldn't hurt me much, but it would exactly hurt Nordeus as win-to-win situation between them and how you say "rare" managers will be end.

Anyway, this is not my battle to discuss on the new cap system, so the discussion is over for me right here, I hope you are happy now mate. Oops, sorry I mean "nate", what a typo LOL.

Nordeus, if you want to cap it, players who go beyond the threshold, compensate them with some skill points, allow the manager to reallocate the skill points manually. Problem solved.

P.S. I never have players with 300%+.