Why can't we discuss in peace?!

[sasha m]

ursd, while I agree with everything you said, rules kinda change when you feel like talking to a wall.
well John, there are two sides to everything. I grew up on games where DEVs were forum admins as well. they actively discussed suggestions. some suggestions with most votes or positive feedback would be tried in optional , parallel releases of the game. one's they pass that test, then, maybe, would they be included in next official release.

so there you go, I think anyoue would calmly, politely and respectfully discuss any possible, future changes to the game. but if they just poor s#1t on your head "announced" only after its done...and their lackeys ignore all said, or try to trick you with superficial "improvement" while leaving core problems aside..
then I completely understand the frustration.

and btw, are you guys getting any tokens for backing them up? trying for MOD s or ADMIns yourselves? they are big boys, let them fend for themselves

[John Grant]

ursd, while I agree with everything you said, rules kinda change when you feel like talking to a wall.
well John, there are two sides to everything. I grew up on games where DEVs were forum admins as well. they actively discussed suggestions. some suggestions with most votes or positive feedback would be tried in optional , parallel releases of the game. one's they pass that test, then, maybe, would they be included in next official release.

so there you go, I think anyoue would calmly, politely and respectfully discuss any possible, future changes to the game. but if they just poor s#1t on your head "announced" only after its done...and their lackeys ignore all said, or try to trick you with superficial "improvement" while leaving core problems aside..
then I completely understand the frustration.

and btw, are you guys getting any tokens for backing them up? trying for MOD s or ADMIns yourselves? they are big boys, let them fend for themselves

I think the point the OP is trying to make is that there is a time and a place for things. If you have a suggestion for the game that has merit I am sure the devs will look at it and maybe even sandbox test it to see how it would go. However the forums arent really the place for it. Sure start a thread and see what others think about the idea , maybe they add to it , maybe they find a pitfall in it. Once your idea is ready then present it to the devs in the appropriate way which isnt on these forums by the way.
By the same token if you have a problem with something in the game eg the last update , then getting on here and venting isnt going to get you anywhere and from what I can see that happens a lot. It gets very boring flicking through endless rant threads about this or that so I am almost certain the devs dont bother too much with reading most threads. If you feel strongly about an issue then make contact in the appropriate manner which again isnt this forum.
That has just given me an idea.................a venting section just for that purpose , maybe that might be a good idea.

Oh and for sasha m , I dont get anything for any defending of the game I might do nor do I want a mods job , been there done that and the pay isnt good enough. I am sure there will be times when I have a say about something in the game that I dont like , eg negotiations ( they really could do better in this area) but you can bet your last dollar I wont get on here and purely vent about whatever it is.