Why is it still allowed that managers play with mutants like FK Zvejnieks?

Why is it still allowed that managers play with mutants and make TopEleven a farce?

For the first time I have FK Zvejnieks as opponent in my league (season 32). For many seasons he was a friend for many of my matches.
I only wondered how he could win nearly every season a triple. But now I know.

Sergey Kashin (FK Zvejnieks) has very uneven balanced players. His best AMC player Caniggia is only 21 years old, but his Shooting, Finishing, Dribbling skills
are 340% Speed ans Fitness above 300. But very starnge Tacklinh, Marking and similar skills are 1%. We know that with normal training this cannot be done.
Kashin betrays with "mutants" which are exchanged several times with other managers who are in level 2 above or lover than him.

More strange than of Caniggia are the skills of Maldini, a 18 years old defender. His Tackling, Marking, Speed, Bravery and Fitness skill are between 200 and 300%, but his skills in shooting, Finishing Dribbling, Passing, ect. only 1%. How comes? When you buy an 18 years old player he has never so low skills, nor a player from the academy. This can only be done with manipulation.

FK Zvejnieks have only a level of 95% and should loose many games against me with 115%. But it is the opposite: I have had no chance on both games against
Sergej Kashin and lost high without even one score.

In addition to these unfair manipulations, Kashin unleashed our "friendship" - which he is free to do - but in every game of me me from now on he supported my opponent. That is really sick, because as the results showed between us, I did not have a trace of a chance. Under these unequal conditions, such a behavior is not a fair sportsmanship, no it is simply embarrassing and ill.

Unfortunately TopEleven is not able to stop these manipulations of managers, let alone exclude these players. Some time ago, the skills were limited to a maximum of 340%, but that does not help lift the unfairness towards other engaged and active managers. TopEleven probably does not want to go against these manipulations either, as these players often have 3.4 or even more teams.

I have played mostly with a lot of pleasure my 32 seasons. I have won several leagues (19), cups (7) and champions leagues (8). I have even won once the triple. But with such unfair and manipulating players it is not pleasure any more and I will end to play TopEleven after this season.

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Yep, the reselling still there, with a different margin, but still there, yet.

He didn't make anything illegal. Just abused the weak points of the game.
Why not to allow him ?

The only solution I can see for you is to stay level next season.
Or else you 'll keep playing with him for all the next seasons even if you are not friends anymore.

You can train your players' important skills to 340% as well, so what's the matter.

Why is it still allowed that managers with IQ under 50 play this game?

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Originally Posted by Kto

Why is it still allowed that managers with IQ under 50 play this game?

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Good to see that you're not banned anymore ,let's see for how long xD

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Originally Posted by buzzards

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More strange than of Caniggia are the skills of Maldini, a 18 years old defender. His Tackling, Marking, Speed, Bravery and Fitness skill are between 200 and 300%, but his skills in shooting, Finishing Dribbling, Passing, ect. only 1%. How comes? When you buy an 18 years old player he has never so low skills, nor a player from the academy. This can only be done with manipulation.

FK Zvejnieks have only a level of 95% and should loose many games against me with 115%. But it is the opposite: I have had no chance on both games against
Sergej Kashin and lost high without even one score.

In addition to these unfair manipulations, Kashin unleashed our "friendship" - which he is free to do - but in every game of me me from now on he supported my opponent. That is really sick, because as the results showed between us, I did not have a trace of a chance. Under these unequal conditions, such a behavior is not a fair sportsmanship, no it is simply embarrassing and ill.

Unfortunately TopEleven is not able to stop these manipulations of managers, let alone exclude these players. Some time ago, the skills were limited to a maximum of 340%, but that does not help lift the unfairness towards other engaged and active managers. TopEleven probably does not want to go against these manipulations either, as these players often have 3.4 or even more teams.

I have played mostly with a lot of pleasure my 32 seasons. I have won several leagues (19), cups (7) and champions leagues (8). I have even won once the triple. But with such unfair and manipulating players it is not pleasure any more and I will end to play TopEleven after this season.

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it still fair,

buy a player from lower level team is not illegal

train white skill only until reach 300++ is not illegal, and this required crazy effort though,

so this is his effort, he deserve that, then what's your effort? just buying normal player from auction and do normal training everyday and want everybody play just the same as you? is it the fair that you mean?

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Originally Posted by madflo19

Good to see that you're not banned anymore ,let's see for how long xD

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the first "ban" is temporary, for a week.
Any member has the freedom to express his opinion if it's ok with the rules.

But for me, the million dollars question is how a DC like Maldini in the pic, 86% q, with 1% speed, can stop attackers 1* above, with 100% speed.
Yes, a common IQ player would understand that this is a "bug".

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

the first "ban" is temporary, for a week.
Any member has the freedom to express his opinion if it's ok with the rules.

But for me, the million dollars question is how a DC like Maldini in the pic, 86% q, with 1% speed, can stop attackers 1* above, with 100% speed.
Yes, a common IQ player would understand that this is a "bug".

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This is not a bug, this how the masterminds behind Topeleven created this game. And people get along with it and smart people use it to their advantage. Lazy people use it to complain about stuff and piss of active players.

I however agree that upselling is somewhat stupid. Thats the point were Nordeus should have cut it, not training players properly.

1. Maldini has 270% speed, where is my million?
2. Even if he was 1%, it has been often explained (i.e. by Toxcatl), that 270% vs 1% speed is not 270 times faster, in absolute numbers its not a huge difference.
3. In real football every good forward is faster than the most defenders, there are many ways to stop fast attacking players
4. In t11 no one has any idea, if speed works like our intuition tells us, probably not
5. The opening post still shows an IQ under 50, there are several proofs in that post

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

But for me, the million dollars question is how a DC like Maldini in the pic, 86% q, with 1% speed, can stop attackers 1* above, with 100% speed.
Yes, a common IQ player would understand that this is a "bug".

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I strongly agree with Der_Ryan_M..
We've beent told,when the new training system was implemented,that they've done it to be more realistic and to be able to train only important abilities to each player...if this is a bug then we are playing a bug game...
Btw Maldini has 270 speed :]

lol
yes, I 'm talking about a DC with skills like 1%- 200/340% like Maldini.

yes, I was against this training system from the beginning (as I don't like the new Team's setup or the new auctions system).

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Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M

This is not a bug, this how the masterminds behind Topeleven created this game. And people get along with it and smart people use it to their advantage. Lazy people use it to complain about stuff and piss of active players.

I however agree that upselling is somewhat stupid. Thats the point were Nordeus should have cut it, not training players properly.

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Agree with you 100%

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Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M

This is not a bug, this how the masterminds behind Topeleven created this game. And people get along with it and smart people use it to their advantage. Lazy people use it to complain about stuff and piss of active players.

I however agree that upselling is somewhat stupid. Thats the point were Nordeus should have cut it, not training players properly.

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Nordeus love the lazy one, they accused the smart one cheating then Nordeus use this advantage to punish everyone and make us look stupid.


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Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M

This is not a bug, this how the masterminds behind Topeleven created this game. And people get along with it and smart people use it to their advantage. Lazy people use it to complain about stuff and piss of active players.

I however agree that upselling is somewhat stupid. Thats the point were Nordeus should have cut it, not training players properly.

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I won't disagree that it's dev's fault but this doesn't mean that should not be fixed.
Or that we should mock people who think that it's not right.
I also don't agree with that, but I 'm not lazy.
I don't have "mutants" in my teams but have to play 11 Cup finals tomorrow
lol

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

I won't disagree that it's dev's fault but this doesn't mean that should not be fixed.
Or that we should mock people who think that it's not right.
I also don't agree with that, but I 'm not lazy.
I don't have "mutants" in my teams but have to play 11 Cup finals tomorrow
lol

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You have 11 teams? TMFT Syndrome, mate :D

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Originally Posted by mcdoomer

You have 11 teams? TMFT Syndrome, mate :D

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I didn't say exactly that,
I said that 11 of my teams are playing in the Cup final tomorrow ;)
lol

Are your teams on 1 server? What is the chance to have teams on 1 server 10%, 15%, how many profiles do you have to do. :)

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Originally Posted by buzzards

Why is it still allowed that managers play with mutants and make TopEleven a farce?

For the first time I have FK Zvejnieks as opponent in my league (season 32). For many seasons he was a friend for many of my matches.
I only wondered how he could win nearly every season a triple. But now I know.

Sergey Kashin (FK Zvejnieks) has very uneven balanced players. His best AMC player Caniggia is only 21 years old, but his Shooting, Finishing, Dribbling skills
are 340% Speed ans Fitness above 300. But very starnge Tacklinh, Marking and similar skills are 1%. We know that with normal training this cannot be done.
Kashin betrays with "mutants" which are exchanged several times with other managers who are in level 2 above or lover than him.

More strange than of Caniggia are the skills of Maldini, a 18 years old defender. His Tackling, Marking, Speed, Bravery and Fitness skill are between 200 and 300%, but his skills in shooting, Finishing Dribbling, Passing, ect. only 1%. How comes? When you buy an 18 years old player he has never so low skills, nor a player from the academy. This can only be done with manipulation.

FK Zvejnieks have only a level of 95% and should loose many games against me with 115%. But it is the opposite: I have had no chance on both games against
Sergej Kashin and lost high without even one score.

In addition to these unfair manipulations, Kashin unleashed our "friendship" - which he is free to do - but in every game of me me from now on he supported my opponent. That is really sick, because as the results showed between us, I did not have a trace of a chance. Under these unequal conditions, such a behavior is not a fair sportsmanship, no it is simply embarrassing and ill.

Unfortunately TopEleven is not able to stop these manipulations of managers, let alone exclude these players. Some time ago, the skills were limited to a maximum of 340%, but that does not help lift the unfairness towards other engaged and active managers. TopEleven probably does not want to go against these manipulations either, as these players often have 3.4 or even more teams.

I have played mostly with a lot of pleasure my 32 seasons. I have won several leagues (19), cups (7) and champions leagues (8). I have even won once the triple. But with such unfair and manipulating players it is not pleasure any more and I will end to play TopEleven after this season.

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Really? Why don't you guys read a little on the forum? It's been told a lot of times. You can buy from a team 3 levels lower, to have a 18yo with 1% on gray skills, or buy 3 stars player as I do, and when the player is 21 his gray skills will be at 1% also?

Why is this unfair? You can do it. Maybe you are not in the mood to, cause it takes a lot of work. Why complain when others does this?

If is your 32 season you are not a nobby anymore, maybe you didn't understand how the game works at all.

Let's see how many time until another thread like this....

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Originally Posted by Kto

1. Maldini has 270% speed, where is my million?
2. Even if he was 1%, it has been often explained (i.e. by Toxcatl), that 270% vs 1% speed is not 270 times faster, in absolute numbers its not a huge difference.
3. In real football every good forward is faster than the most defenders, there are many ways to stop fast attacking players
4. In t11 no one has any idea, if speed works like our intuition tells us, probably not
5. The opening post still shows an IQ under 50, there are several proofs in that post

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What Toxcatl explained is interesting, but will be more interesting, knowing the real difference between ST with 270% speed and DC with 1%....

We will never know I guess

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Originally Posted by buzzards

Why is it still allowed that managers play with mutants and make TopEleven a farce?

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Why is Roger Federer still allowed to play and make tennis a farce? Why is Barcelona?.. Usain Bolt?..

Cry more >_>

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Originally Posted by Toxcatl

Why is Roger Federer still allowed to play and make tennis a farce? Why is Barcelona?.. Usain Bolt?..

Cry more >_>

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Lol, he is not answering, a lot of people answered him, and he didn't show anymore, like the trolls, they show up once and then they go back under the bridge again, lol

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Originally Posted by Vernie83

Lol, he is not answering, a lot of people answered him, and he didn't show anymore, like the trolls, they show up once and then they go back under the bridge again, lol

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Troll..........................look in the mirror Vernie ..........see the troll ?

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Originally Posted by John Grant

Troll..........................look in the mirror Vernie ..........see the troll ?

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More dots!

In fact Nordeus already have the solution to combat mutant player. They come daily and all balance skill go get them.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e64973a8b9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b9b9e11f20.jpg


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Originally Posted by HairDryer

In fact Nordeus already have the solution to combat mutant player. They come daily and all balance skill go get them.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e64973a8b9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b9b9e11f20.jpg


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i don't think so, because they target to sell this daily player to the lazy rich manager

while mutant trainer is a hardwork type manager and maybe rich maybe not

This is not in any way a killer mutant. Not at all - it's even more a mutant - there can not be such a real person - because it can not be both smart, fast, strong - and yet for all possible skills. Most likely this is a genetic mutant from their parents.

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In fact Nordeus already have the solution to combat mutant player. They come daily and all balance skill go get them.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e64973a8b9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b9b9e11f20.jpg


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Originally Posted by lalexrus

This is not in any way a killer mutant. Not at all - it's even more a mutant - there can not be such a real person - because it can not be both smart, fast, strong - and yet for all possible skills. Most likely this is a genetic mutant from their parents.

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Exactly! That’s how they want us to train our player Nordeus mutant.



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[QUOTE=Der_Ryan_M;517889]Lazy people use it to complain about stuff and piss of active players.


Don't be conceited. I am not at all lazy. But I am neither unemployed nor life from social security nor am I a lonely nerd. I have an exciting job and family with children.

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Originally Posted by Vernie83

Lol, he is not answering, a lot of people answered him, and he didn't show anymore, like the trolls, they show up once and then they go back under the bridge again, lol

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Oh Vernie83. My compliment to you. It is always good to have prejudices and make stupid comments. That keeps you in your lonely box. But you feel SOOOO much better than others.

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Originally Posted by Toxcatl

Why is Roger Federer still allowed to play and make tennis a farce? Why is Barcelona?.. Usain Bolt?..

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This for sure, Toxcatl, you are not a modern mutant of Einstein, Kant or Hegel. These manipulation-managers are far away from a fair and highly skilled player like Roger Federer and a century genius like Usain Bolt.

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Originally Posted by mcdoomer

You have 11 teams? TMFT Syndrome, mate :D

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TMFT Syndrome? I think it is more NFIRW (= no friends in the real word)

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Originally Posted by Kto

Why is it still allowed that managers with IQ under 50 play this game?

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I wonder why managers with less then 30 IQ can write. Do you have someone who does it for you?

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Originally Posted by buzzards

I wonder why managers with less then 30 IQ can write. Do you have someone who does it for you?

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Siri in iOS does not have IQ at all, but it can talk and write. I think that from the point of view of Nordeus - Siri - a vivid example of mutants.

Ok guys, let's stop it right here.

I don't want to close this thread but if personal comments continue, I 'll have to do it.
We can go on only with arguments from now on.

First of all @buzzards, you started a thread with an "impressive title and then you disappeared so you gave space for comments that belong to other threads (or nowhere - lol).
Ok, so what do you think or you should do if you were a nord-dev about your question ?
Why is it still allowed that managers play with mutants like FK Zvejnieks?

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

Ok guys, let's stop it right here.

I don't want to close this thread but if personal comments continue, I 'll have to do it.
We can go on only with arguments from now on.

First of all @buzzards, you started a thread with an "impressive title and then you disappeared so you gave space for comments that belong to other threads (or nowhere - lol).
Ok, so what do you think or you should do if you were a nord-dev about your question ?
Why is it still allowed that managers play with mutants like FK Zvejnieks?

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For me, in relation to the specific issue of 18yo mutants 1%/340% created using multiple accounts via negotiations which I understand can still be done I have 1 simple question;

Is it reasonable in a video game to expect users to run multiple accounts to be successful?

If the use of this weakness in the system became so widespread that only by using the same technique could you be successful then the game would eventually collapse in my opinion.

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for me @rogerniceguy this case is close for every one (I mean us, the forum members-players).
Everybody accepts that this is abusing of the system.
No need to say the same things again and again.

But you can have players 21-22 y.o. or older, with 340-1%. without abusing.

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Originally Posted by rogerniceguy

For me, in relation to the specific issue of 18yo mutants 1%/340% created using multiple accounts via negotiations which I understand can still be done I have 1 simple question;

Is it reasonable in a video game to expect users to run multiple accounts to be successful?

If the use of this weakness in the system became so widespread that only by using the same technique could you be successful then the game would eventually collapse in my opinion.

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1. a lot of accounts can not be deleted for one simple reason - owners - real (physical) people can be different.1
2. As the reason that is called that one can not limit (anyway) negotiations - the income of Nordeus. Personally, I think that if the game is excellent - that is, there are many ways to restore the revenue from the negotiations (and at the same time do not deal with the mutants that Nordeus offers for 1000 tokens).
3. By itself, the division into "dark" and "light" skills leads to the fact that this can be manipulated. But it is logical to assume that the solution to this problem can not be a introduction of a training system that does not allow the necessary skills not to raise above unnecessary ones. It's enough just to hide the "dark" skills of players for both the user and the game engine (that is, remove all from the calculation of matches-although in theory they should not be used)

Yes I agree players age and have those abilities. I have some players like that who have naturally developed that way although the new training system will stunt that to make players a little more naturally balanced. My point is the upselling abuse has been supported by many forumers and my last understanding was the loophole is still open to be exploited. I find this disappointing as this should be the priority over the actual training rebalancing. If not fixed then a suggestion to fix would be various as suggested already such as limit negotiation of a player to 1 move a season to reduce how far they can move up the tree.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

for me @rogerniceguy this case is close for every one (I mean us, the forum members-players).
Everybody accepts that this is abusing of the system.
No need to say the same things again and again.

But you can have players 21-22 y.o. or older, with 340-1%. without abusing.

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Originally Posted by rogerniceguy

Yes I agree players age and have those abilities. I have some players like that who have naturally developed that way although the new training system will stunt that to make players a little more naturally balanced. My point is the upselling abuse has been supported by many forumers and my last understanding was the loophole is still open to be exploited. I find this disappointing as this should be the priority over the actual training rebalancing. If not fixed then a suggestion to fix would be various as suggested already such as limit negotiation of a player to 1 move a season to reduce how far they can move up the tree.

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why you think upselling is considered abuse?

then, how about downselling? is it considered abuse also?

and why do you think i should not buy a player from lower level league to play in my higher level league?

i will train him anyway to suit to play in my league level, is there anything wrong with it? i don't think so