A player from my opponent today. 18 years old and skills ??? How's that?
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A player from my opponent today. 18 years old and skills ??? How's that?
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Lots of power training and friendlies I’m guessing.
Because Nordeus done nothing about the up selling of players in their half arsed attempt to stop Mutant players.
No...Quote:
Originally Posted by dave1311
Upselling
Yep, that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunzo
Yes upselling and friendlies. You have to question why nordeus implemented changes which appear to have damaged genuine players more than exploiters. Incompetence or deliberate? By having high powered exploiters many genuine managers choose to watch videos every day or spend to keep up? Might as well use draw manipulation to counter that and +1 draws. My 2 fingers to the system.
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How does that work actually? I've never been involved in upselling so I don't know how the white skills can get that high in a single season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunzo
Its more to do with the grey skills being so low 1% and minusQuote:
Originally Posted by TropikThunder
You will need various teams on the same server and pass the player up the line
The Russians are experts at this con btw.
And this happen after most stupid update ever - destroying of training system
Wow i thought that the "mutants" are dead .
3 months ago,when the training system was changed, Jeeves was boasting that the up selling is dead too and this was the main reason they've implemented the new training system,to tackle the cheats.
Unfortunately he left the forum(maybe he had enough being forced by nordeus to tell all this lies)
Cheers Jeeves wherever you are!
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They do not have a clue.....
Upselling causes this not GK training
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I done him yesterday morning in a few minutes I only upsold him once ...
but its still as easy if you have the teams...
Yes it was a failure in my eyes. Several things they should have done over what they actually did.Quote:
Originally Posted by madflo19
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TE should stop upselling to fix this ridiculous bug immediately. Currently most of the top 100 association teams use this bug to “win” the match. It makes association game meaningless and TE stupid. I can endure that TE needs to earn more money to sell more tokens which can train player in a special way, but cannot endure the stupid upselling bug.
why lie? the production of mutants became at least twice as expensive (green rests) and by the time became many times greater. And what you did in a few minutes is a bad player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunzo
issues that raised a few months ago - to close tanking, to close the upselling are not resolved, and now the problem of thousands of friendly matches was added.
Then if the up selling is not dead,as the admin said,what you talking about?is it a lie or not;Quote:
Originally Posted by lalexrus
this is a negotiation in the game, they were not closed, and the process itself became much more expensive and more time-consuming. the player that is on the screen at the beginning is more friendly matches than upseling. upselling is now alive, but let's say it is more approximate to ordinary players, since gray skills can not go down in a minus. as for nordeus, it seems that they know their game worse than managersQuote:
Originally Posted by madflo19
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I think that now it makes no sense to close upseling - players even at a difference of 12-14 levels do not reach all the skills of 340 and have a rating of about 140-160%. (in their right mind no one will do all the players in a team with this rating) but thousands of friendly matches must be closed.
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Finishing with that upselling is simple
as I wrote here
https://forum.topeleven.com/suggesti...k-again-2.html
if we buy a player from another manager, not to be able to sell him again this season.
But I don't think nordeus is so naive.
They let the upselling on purpose.
Top100 is a big business.
A manager there, can make 50-100 accounts, farming vids or even buy tokens.
Some of the top100 want to sell their groups but some other paying money to keep them there.
some managers specifically buy players - a little training, add special ability and sell for tokens, it seems to me not very sensible idea to completely delete the negotiations between the levels ((this is one option including buying a good player not drawn in the bowels of the game nordeus)). Once again - now upselling itself does not matter!
it is much more dangerous to be able to train a player above 180% - as such opportunities prevent managers from playing normally (when you are assigned dozens of friendly matches in one day without your knowledge). And it works for any managers - friendly matches allow to train the player even better than through upselling
Easy fix for friendly problem. Make friendlies like asso games. No condition loss and no skill gains. No packs either. Just there for fun and trying out tactics.
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but do not have to come up with friendlies - to limit as before 5 matches a day and even though two years the player is training )
Ok Lalexrus,
How would you explain the OP of an 18 year old player with 1% grey skills?
That was not done through countless friendly games and as you have said upselling is not a problem anymore ?
don't mix two different things @Lalexrus
Creating mutants with upselling is one thing
(@Ποσιδονας made a good and simple suggestion to stop this - we need more active negotiations but without abusing).
Friendlies is another story.
With friendlies you cannot create or keep mutants as the gaining skills are random and gonna spoil the 340%-1% balance.
you are in vain to share, with friendlies you can make a mutant in the style of the old system of training, and there are no restrictions either on the values of skills nor on the overall rating of the player. the only drawback is the number of matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
at the moment upselling is not a strong advantage - most crying about this from managers who do not really train their teams but only buy by offers or at an auction and expect that such players will suddenly give them the opportunity to take win. but the number of such people with cunning assholes is just off scale.
ps just run around with their complaints that nordeus again something "fix" only again the problems will get all active managers
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I think you don't understand how friendlies work - but don't want to explain either :o
(I don't mean for you)
maybe, however, you probably do not devote much time to the game and do not know many things. yes, the acquisition of skills seems random, but for example, amc + aml + amr is not quite so - it gives more finishing skills and a heading, but overall the delivery of skills goes in a circle, the exception is the passing and dribbling skills that these positions for some reason very seldom. in general, the really current system of training does not allow you to make a player with all the bright skills in 340, and even all the gray skills to do in 1 - even with a large difference in levels, there will still be one or another skill above 1. but in the current versions of the game, playing hundreds friendlies in fact, you usually get +4 to a light skill (very rarely to gray) for one match, for 100 matches +400 that allows you to supplement (not to train with some exercises some skills - from those that often give out in matches) some skills and for almost any player to get skills even more than 340. with the start of the International Cup, for some reason, the limit on friendly matches has disappeared so there was the possibility of playing hundreds (and a week and thousands) of matches and as a result, in addition to free training, resources.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
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- after the last update about training and skills, white and grey skills don't have any difference in gaining
- a manager who has a mutant players 5* (with 340%/1% - or something like this) don't want to improve his quality anymore.
There is no reason to play friendlies.
new players can not be trained to make full 340/1 so managers use friendly matches to achieve this goal (in which case there is no need to use upseling)Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
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it's not like that
but ok, let's agree that we disagree :rolleyes:
I agree with what Lalexrus says.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
Upselling bypassed the limiting factor of the slowing down of a players growth rate as they age. Non-upsellers could still build a 340%/1% mutant (for 6* range quality), the player would just be 30 years old by the time they reached those skills, a very expensive process.
With friendly, age no longer matters.
about what and the speech, wrestlers with upseling led the situation to the absurdity, thanks to them now any manager can have 340/1 in 20-21 years without even having a team at other levels (and all are mistaken - now the player is 18 years old with 1 in gray it makes no sense - too weak it will be).Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel
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Ok I think I get it.
What @lalexrus says is correct. - any team can create a 340/1% "mutant" by the age of 22 simply by buying an 18 year old, levelling up for 4 seasons and playing hundreds (if not thousands) of frendlies every season.
The player at the start of this thread has been upsold by at least 4 levels to reduce grey skills to 1%, and then probably won hundreds of man of the match awards through frendlies to push white skills so high. Although possible to have power trained to achieve this, it's unlikely because of the high cost in rest packs thanks to the new training regulations.
The player posted by Bunzo will, without the use of frendlies be too expensive in rest packs to train to this level of skill imbalance.
So in summary I imagine the teams at the top of the associations rankings are all now playing thousands of frendlies every season. And once the 340/1% has been achieved repetitive tanking will keep the player good to go until he retires (12?) more seasons. So no change in the top 100 then.
The thing is, we can all do it. 4 seasons to generate a "mutant" player and then (even levelling up) keep him there with frendlies. For free!
why only top-100? Do you seriously think that all top-1 or top2 or top-3 managers play thousands of friendly matches? why they need it now - they in general it is enough to use tanking and prepare resources (green rests) for the training new generation - and at this point I think that the friendly matches will finally be closed (and at the same time as a useless opportunity - tanking). But it's realistic to have a top player with upselling now just need an very lagre amount of green rests at all levels and many many many time time time , in any case, players 340/1 in the case of upselling are now impossible (in view of the limitations of the training system - it's just mathematically).
I made a test using an AMR with 120% q and more balance skills in 5 games.
His gaining was
3 white - 2 grey
4-1
2-2, only from motm skills
3-1
3-1
How can you make a mutant with 1% skills like the first post, only with friendlies?
He is earning grey skills too.
How can you train a mutant only by friendlies, then whole teams lose also energy and you need so many restpack....
There is another thread about friendlies. Ready that first, to learn the basics.
buy 18 years old 3 * and train it only in 20-21 years or buy 18 years 3 * train it up to 99% affecting only light skills and sell it three levels higher. and still in the end you will not have all the gray skills in 1% after you have train the player - or you need a level difference of 30 (or higher - don’t count). but in general, the amount of resources and time in this case is too big to do thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας
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I test it and found that with friendlies only, you can not make mutants.
You re saying that with upselling can not make mutants
but they exist :p
Well, I wrote - train the player through friendlies not at 18 years old and at 20-21 - quite a mutant will come out and even better than just through upselling. Yes, of course - you can use upselling+friendly then the effect will be better. But for me it's a disease in the 10th degree - for the sake of top100 in one of the games ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας
PS upselling live, but no more mutants with 340/1 (if only upselling use), no more mutants w 1 in all gray skills (or need > levels), in some cases no upselling will help (as an example - a goalkeeper - two skills can not train more than 160-180)
You can improve white skills until 140%-160% with rests and smart choices of trainings.
After that with 20-30 friendlies per day you can get other 100% skills point on whites. In a week or two you have a mutant.
Be sure that there are people that does 20-30 friendlies.
After that season by season you need few friendlies to keep it as mutant.
I don't do it as I prefer to have a life instead of making tons of friendlies......
