And ever since; Nordeus hasn't said jack ****.
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And ever since; Nordeus hasn't said jack ****.
Mate, I cant always sound like a sane, thoughtful person. I have to let the crazy in sometimes. Nordeus "inspires" me.
I realize the timezone implications and yes, not everyone is going to be happy, but this is not about making people happy...this is a game! (Think about that one for a min). Timezones deal with hours. I am talking about 30 mins, like you said. Most people would stop complaining if they had more than 2-3 mins to make changes between games. Celine Dion and Lady Gaga dont rush this fast to change outfits between SONGS! Seriously!
you have acknowledged it is just a simple line(s) of code that they could introduce that would check/modify a game-time and make sure it was a minimum 30 mins between games.
My point about the "real life" aspect is that people are trying to say that IRL you have a few days in between league games and they translate into a few hours between games. True. But not necessary. 30 mins to an hour is sufficient between games.
of course, we all know this, but there is a difference in Nordeus FORCING managers to spend tokens and NORDEUS "encouraging" mangers to spend tokens. If you want to have a fair game against an opponent, you want to be well rested and moraled, picking your formation, changing players to suit the formation etc... Nordeus's constant scheduling brainfarts force managers to move the gametime or risk losing an important game because of lack of condition or not enough time to change formations or heal players etc. Encouraging players would be giving them 30 mins instead of 3. I would rather have 30 mins between games rather than 3 minutes, but I would rather have 3 HOURS than 30 mins.
Simon, I like you. Really. Several people on here make me think about this game. Not to the point where I dream about it, but to think about what the hell i am going to say to the devs when I get the chance next time they open it up for questions from the public.
it makes me mad to think that a game company(LOL) just sucks the money from people and pretends to care. Lame excuses. Game engines issues/results, server issues. It all adds up at the end of the day. But I have a respect for you, regardless of your team, and I hope that it is returned...BUT I dont have this same respect for Nordeus and its voice. Not one reply to my polite requests for formal answers on easy questions. Sure they can take all they time they want, but many people want to know the answers. Until then there are things we will disagree on. lets just leave it at that.
Of course I respect your opinions, as much as anyone else on here. When I see something I disagree with, I'll make my point to offer another perspective - but I wouldn't bother if I thought I was wasting my time or talking to idiots
This is an important distinction. I think they encourage managers to spend tokens because, scheduling problems aside, the stuff you mention is about a player's choice
If you want a full compliment of rested and happy players, with the option to change your formation, then you might have to spend money. But this is not stuff you have to do. It's what players want to do to win games
I'm testing this by having a non-token buying team, just finishing their first season. It has 22 players, one for each position - so if the schedule gives me two close games then I just switch the line ups. Most players were free signings and I chose the formation based on the players I could get, rather than my main team where I could afford to go for whichever players I wanted. Early days, but the team is top of the league and cup semi-finalists
The game is available for free, and there are many players who play without spending any money. Some want an advantage, so they spend cash. Fair play to Nordeus for creating an app that people are prepared to spend money on to get further - but no one is forced to do so
Please read my post from last season: http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...atch-time.html
It happens ALL the seasons, even yesterday with the top match against the other 1st in league few minutes after champions semifinal.
And please point your attention on last season league's schedule:
18.58 - 16.48 - 18.58 - 18.49 - 17.59 - 18.50 -15.50 - 18.47 -14.57 - 18.53 - 22.15 - 18.53
Champions FINAL scheduled at 22.30.
Can anyone really think that is just a coincidence?
does anyone affiliated with nordeus even read the forums?
Cracicot true about the schedule pre made for :
11:00 , 10:00 , 22:30 (lucky or not i was out of cup and all the cup matches were played around that hour ~22:00) , 11:00 , 16:00 , bla bla .. got the champions league match at ~1h from league match too , maybe i will have the luck to get that 5% rest in that hour but i do not think so as i was calculating :)
As i was saying long time ago : "Even if you think it`s easy and it`s just a game ... nothing is random here players !"
what i found out for this new kind of scheduled games for the days are left of this season :
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This season i think i will get 2nd place league and 3rd/4th place in champions league :D
Thank you Nordeus for your gifts :D
Attachment 5893 fail tactic vs 4-4-2 but with some exceptions :D
This season I may NOT have to worry about what time the CL Final will be scheduled at because I may not be in the final.
That is why i started the thread. To get an offical response from someone at Nordeus. To have Nordeus address the needs of the managers for answers to their concerns.
I hate to say this, but I will anyways: The site was made by 3 Serbians. Serbia isnt exactly the biggest economy and i understand the need to make money and what a great way to do that. BUT...extorting the hard-earned money from thousands of people is not the way to go about it. maybe the words I am using are a bit strong, but clearly, the game is being run so that it takes as many tokens from you as possible in as many ways as possible.
If this game were made in USA, and I am neither anti- or pro-, there would be a few lawsuits from managers saying they have been scammed.
Lets be honest here, this is a free game. you can play with no money. BUT your odds of winning go up exponentially when you buy tokens. As soon as you buy tokens, they know you can buy more, so the odds of injuries and token wastage in auctions goes up. YOU ARE HOOKED. face it. Then you spend more hours searching the auctions for the best players for less tokens so you dont have to buy tokens and hey, you won the league/CL/CUP. Good on ya. congrats. You are one of the few "lottery winners" in the game because winning a ton of trophies against Tommy token is like winning the lottery these days.
Would it be accurate to say that the higher level you are the harder it is to win without buying tokens? And this is without token farming with videos and other ****.
But I digress...quite often i might add...and ultimately i would looooooooooooove to hear just a peep from MDKII about a few of the issues that we have brought forward in this thread. The balance of token sucking and happy game play is a bit skewed and they need to tone back the token suckage a bit...and the injuries. It is making the game suck a bit more than usual.
Somebody will have a home visit, sooner or later ;)
Nah, kidding. I understand you´re anger, I´m more or less a little dissapointed myself. This season has been more than confused and ridiculous with all strange injuries, bookings and results that dont make any sense. Like today, both om my MC:s got injured so I was forced to play with DMC:s instead and I managed to win 0-3 away (logical or reasonable?)... Also all of my bookings still remain since day 5, don´t know if it is a bug or what.
But it is like many of us pointed out - if you don't like the "rule" (buying T), simply dont p(l)ay. Nothin' we can do, more or less
Does anyone who affiliates with nordeus actually read this......
EXACTLY! Nordeus will never address these concerns as long as they keep the money rolling in. This is now a forum for finding out what counter will counter the NGE.
Remember, there is no incentive for Nordeus to change anything...unless they start losing managers to another game. Anyone in for starting another online football manager game?
I see he has not commented on this thread, strange as I thought he would close it down!
He has come on here and poo pooed anything he does not like and closed the rest down and then gone!
EXACTLY what im getting at! Nordeus have not came on here to address anything on any threads, i.e youre wasting your breath lol. As for your counter the counter explanation, all ive seen you do is moan about the situation! Think more advice would be useful than the constant bitching about it!!!
Could you be more specific as to what advice I should give?
I constantly give advice on counter formations in other threads in this forum. I give advice where I can and ask advice when I do not know. What more can I do???
You would think that Nordeus would give more advice to their flock instead of letting them wander around aimlessly trying to determine the rules.
LOL! If I spent the amount of time trying to find ways to beat the system, that I spend moaning about the system, I would have a much better team.
I have expressed my thoughts on how to make this better in many threads and really, I cant see them EVER changing things to make it better. This is a cash cow for Nordeus and as long as suckers...errrr...I mean people, keep buying tokens, then there is no need to change things. There needs to be a strike or protest of some sort in order for that to happen
All it takes is one person to start it. a token strike. Hit Nordeus where it hurts...in the bank account. The problem is many of these Tommy tokens are heavily invested and dont want to lose and they are the ones that make the difference. the casual token buyers would have to all stop to make any difference.
I have stopped. I think we should start a thread and post that you have stopped buying tokens and support the necessary and immediate changes necessary for this game to be better.
that won't happen. people buy tokens cuz they knows they can't beat others otherwise. they are just desperate. they want to win at any cost. and that's the funny thing - they don't win everything or always. i am pretty sure they are very sad with this. their logic is: "i buy tokens - i buy scout players, packs - i powertrain - i can't lost" :)they jsut can't manage winning team otherwise. tnx
regardless of whether they can win with tokens or not, it would be nice if most of them decided that enough is enough and stopped buying tokens for a season or two. Nordeus can be forced to lower the cost of tokens, make the desired changes to the game, etc, if we just show them that they are powerless without people buying tokens.
It comes down to this:
Are they providing a game/service for you? Then as a customer, you deserve to be treated better and your concerns should be addressed in a timely manner, with proper customer service.
OR, are you just suckers giving them money for a mediocre football manager game.
Do you feel they respect the overall manager and will do something to address the serious concerns of the majority of managers? Or do they just care about the money?
Opinions?
Colin OUT!
as fare as i go i predict well !
There seems to an assumption in this comment that the majority of managers have a big problem with this game. I doubt that is the truth
Even if the majority of people on the forum have a problem with something (and that is debatable with most of the issues that are commonly raised), then that would not be an indicator that the majority of players feel the same simply because people who want to vent actively search out the forum to do so
On the other hand, people who are happy with the game do not search out the forum just to say 'I'm enjoying this game, hope you are too'
I imagine that Nordeus have detailed metrics to establish what rate people are joining or abandoning the game at, how much players are spending on tokens, how often players log in to the game etc., as well as measuring what impact each of these factors has on the others
So, the data they will never release that would tell you if the product/service works is basically to see whether they continue to increase the number of users, the amount of money made and, ideally, the money made per user
That's your indicator
As a final note, there are two significant 'myths' that seem to perpetuate these complaints about the game
1. The game (and internet stuff generally) should be free. Unfortunately, someone has to pay for the structure that supports this game, including the programmers, servers, support, forum etc. The developers don't do this just for the love of developing apps, they have families to feed and the same ambitions that most of us have to earn more and be more 'successful'
2. The customer is always right. No, frankly sometimes the customer is an arse. And any smart business owner knows that you can't pander to every customer, because you would drive yourself mad and your business into the ground. So if you want to have a successful business, you keep the customers that are already happy and let the serial complainers (those who will never be happy) go
Doubt away, but you are right in that people dont search out a forum to give kudos. They come here to complain or learn. They learn either good things, like formations or advice on the game, or bad things, like the lack of communication, transparency and common sense when it comes to fixing the game to make it more enjoyable.
No, you cant please all the people all the time, but you can please most of them by compromising on the 2-game-5-minute-between issue. You can please most of them by publicly confirming some of the rules, like the illegal formations, and the win bonus. You can please most of them by changing the friendlies where the manager has to accept it first. You can please most of them by tweaking the game engine to allow more realistic results and less random results. You can please most of them by fixing the many little bugs that add up and take away from truly enjoying this game for what it is.
Nordeus would be complete and utter fools if they did not study the metrics on every aspect of this game. This game makes money. Any successful company would want to know why and how to make more by studying their customers habits.
What they are NOT doing and what they are unsuccessful at is customer service. I know they get tons of emails on the topic of "I buy tokens and I should have beat this non-token buyer" or "the NGE sucks cuz I lost with this known counter". BUT, they dont realize that if they were to release a better FAQ or instruction guide with all the rules and benefits of the choices offered in the game, more people would understand the game better and play it better and, therefore, cause less work for customer service.
More people would be happy playing this game if they understood the damn rules and knew the game better, but they dont release vital game information and think its best to let the customer find out this information through trial and error, never knowing/confirming the real information.
Transparency brings customer trust and enjoyment.
Simon, they advertise themselves on their own website as "free-to-play"
Therefore, I shouldnt have to say to you that you are wrong, but I will. There are other ways to make website free: adverts, donations, guardian angels...
I understand what you tried to say, they have families and must make money to survive. That is what a day job is for. Do you think they spend all day working on this site? Hardly. It runs itself now, with minor maintenance needed. This is not a hard thing to do once it is up and running.
At this point, they are trying to eke out every token from every manager they can. This just looks damn greedy now. Not only are they trying to feed their families, but they now want every person in their family to have a Porshe and a 17 bedroom home. There are a ton of people who came into this game thinking it was free and then they get bombarded with injuries and token-suckage aspects of the game that were not there at the start.
If you are successful in this game, they focus on you and try to make you waste your tokens so you can remain successful. They try to make you buy tokens at every stage of this game. Of course, that is what this game is made for, but at least advertise it as such. It is free, but construed as such that you will be forced to buy tokens at some point in order to get yourself out of a ****ty situation we put you in in the first place.
Yes, if I dont want to pay, then dont play. Great. A game advertised as free and I cant play properly, without Nordeus-invented speedbumps, because I cant pay. Nice.
100% totally correct on the customer not always being right. They are a lot of the times, assclowns. But they are customers and some of them pay the bills of Nordeus to feel their families. Some of them have legit issues and at the end of the day, nothing is being done about them. It LOOKS like Nordeus is sitting on their laurels and doing nothing. Do they hope to just ignore the most pressing issues and sweep them under the rug? Possible. But some here on this forum want a better game and know they can do it. I am one of them.
Acknowledge the right customers and dismiss the wrong ones and tell them why they are wrong. Ignoring them only makes things worse.
Nordeus has work to do in the public relations department. Almost as much work as the devs to fix the obvious and serious issues.
Colin OUT!
really, no opinions on this? wow.
No offence but as I see it, you seem to have most of the questions and answers. You make these threads (1 - 3 per day) and then expect/ test people's reactions. I mean, yeah the game isn't perfect, but it's a good start and people seem to take pleasure in feeling superior to someone, at least if it´s a T-buyer.
I don´t know if you´re a T-buyer or not, but as a "free-player" you cant expect it to go all your way or take part of all "benefits". If you´re a T-buyer (like myself) then it´s another story. I mean off 25 league games, I only lost 2 and got 1 draw (against the 1th,3rd and 4th team), that isn´t bad. It´s unrealistic to reality yes, since no team in Premier League, Ligue 1, Seria A etc has a better league record (check for yourself).
Yes the injuries are ridiculous and sometimes "funny", but it seems to be one of the ways to make people spend buying red packs etc. But at the same time, they offer you a "option" to improve your players or gain a SA (that isn´t avaible in the reality as well). And sometimes I find it "funny" when people compare events/games with "reality", since neither FIFA/FOOTBALL MANAGER etc isn't nearly to reality.
My point is, at the end of all: the "negativity" (-) and the positivity (+) add up (-/+) and it becoms equal (=) at some point.
I am far from having all the answers, but you are right in that I have many, many questions. what kind of person just accepts the **** that is dished out to them without asking why? Oh, its part of the game so I should just accept it even when its ridiculous. fat chance of that.
As I have said MANY times, I like football games and am still playing this one even though it is frustrating at times. I take pleasure in knowing that I am not the only one that feels this way. Many others feel like yourself, where they feel they just have to suck it up because its the right thing to do.
FYI, I have bought tokens and bought some this season. I am not a frequent buyer. Nor will I ever be. And starting next season, I will not be "donating" ever again. Even if they improve this game I will not change my mind. I see how these creators are and I will not increase their bank accounts when they show that they dont really care about anything except the money. Their customer service is horrible in every way and their customer relations seems to be non-existant.
Negativity breed negativity. I didnt start the negative talk, Nordeus created something with many faults and is refusing to fix them in the way that would please its customers. Many people are being negative because of this and when Nordeus becomes more positive, then more people will be positive about this game, including myself.
i wont even go into real life equivalencies. The way this game engine works, it is a pale comparison to a real football simulation. They try their best, apparently, and it does the minimum required to be a football simulation. I dont fault them for presenting this, but I do fault them for not improving the game to make it more like a real life football simulation. Lets see some actual progress in the workings of the game engine, starting with injuries.
My point is that more people, such as yourself, should stop blindly accepting this mediocrity, and demand improvement. you pay good money for a game and frankly, it is not worth it yet. YET. Demand better service and quality for your money. It is possible to get it from a legitimate company that cares about its customers. So far I have not seen that from Nordeus. And that is why I ask the questions. Everyone is saying that this is X-Files stuff and I'm chasing aliens, but everything is here and right in front of your eyes.
Ask questions. Demand answers. You might not like the answers, but at least you have the knowledge and can make educated decisions.
I agree, but at the same time you can´t demand to much and in one way, there's too much demand for their services as well.
Before I started playing T11 I´ve tested the other apps: RealFootball2012&2013 (Gameloft), Footballmanager/FM (Gambasics) and Football Manager Handheld (Sega of America) and they were more or less sh*t and became boring after a week or two.
The only game I´m still playing for a 2 year period is ModerWar from (GREE), this game was awesome when "Funzio" earned all the rights, but after they sold it to GREE it become a "buy-gold-based-game" and a "milk-cow"... Now, after some demands from the players, they decided to make some improvements and added fractions, events and the opporunity to improve your army/base camp, and everybody seemed to enjoy it - until it came to the point that it was time to pay for all the upgrades/ bugfixes and for all the improvements they needed to do. Now, the game is basically "funded, maintained and paid" buy heavy and faithfully players who seem to win and grab all and don´t leave anything behind. I mean the game is way out of controll and the fractions/winners are too predictable, even before the events begins (always the same players/fractions who wins). This is the kind of way, that I don´t wanna T11 to go or end up.
The only thing I could say, if you don't like it dont play it (or pay for it). But I find it hard to believe that you or somebody else will find a app that is better than T11 (for the moment). And when it comes to your questions, I doubt the fact that you will get any straight answers, as any game developer they all have their "limitations and exceptions" and some of it isn't for the public to know. And all companies keep secrets, bad or good.
Secrets or not, there is stuff going on that is just not right. Unwanted friendlies. GK injury bug. Scheduling of a game 5 mins after another ends. Injury frequency and severity.
All serious issues and Nordeus cant tell us they are working on it or why they dont want to fix them.
These are not secrets. I dont think asking Nordeus to address these issues is too much to ask. These are all common sense issues. Their game has to grow to meet the demands of their "customers" and right now they are refusing to listen to their customers and will lose many of them if they continue like this.
Might be an idea to close the thread down as they are not going to answer these concerns.