I dont understand. Why can't the cup be decided by level instead of quality? Isn't it obviously more fair? Is there a reason to fit us according to quality instead of level? I'm tired of playing people who are 2-3 levels higher than me.
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I dont understand. Why can't the cup be decided by level instead of quality? Isn't it obviously more fair? Is there a reason to fit us according to quality instead of level? I'm tired of playing people who are 2-3 levels higher than me.
take it as a compliment. If you are playing managers 2-3 levels higher than you, then they have ****ty teams. But that being said, they can upgrade their teams to a point where you cannot compete without sacrificing your first born son. So maybe they can add the aspect of cup-tied players to the mix and you are stuck with the team you enter with. of course that leads to some issues should you buy-sell 10 players but this would prevent such a thing where you enter with a certain quality level and then buy all scouts to win the competition, which happens still to this day.
It is a **** Idea..Nordeus should change it.. :mad:
I think its fair, CL is about level, cup about quality... if cup was dependant on level, it would be the same as CL. It gives the mediocre teams a chance to win some trophies. Token buyers will win CL and league anyway.
I like playing teams a few levels above. Yes I had to play a few better teams, but it's my one big challenge this season and the most fun part of the game - tense, nerve-wracking, exciting. Beating a Level 4 who had world class players, watched both games and brought a friend to support him was the highlight!
Edit: I'm in the final! Probably against a Level 5 team who are awesome, but happy to be there regardless
The cup sistem is based by level at this moment but you can meet teams with 1 or 2 levels higher but not very good teams, with a rating closer to yours
How about you meet teams that are 5 levels higher and with legend players in their squad like it was before? Would you like that?
Good to see someone actually gets excited for games. Glad someone gets happy about playing Tommy token.
After almost 4 seasons, I dont get excited anymore. Its more of a "Do I really give a ****" attitude now. At this point, I look at the cup bracket and laugh. I need to spend tokens to actually have a chance to compete. I dont like to count on the luck factor of the NGE, because I just lost 2 league games in a row with literal last min goals against the 2nd and 3rd place teams. out of 22 games I have now lost 3, so they come at a bad time. Still in first by one point, but someone at Nordeus flipped a switch, if you know what I mean.
In other words, the honeymoon is over and now Im looking for some fun on the side.
Sorry, my mistake - legend is 8* is it? Doesn't show on the phone so I got it confused. So for example in the final I'll play a guy with 4 8* and 6 7* (two of his 8* are 1 point from 9*)
I'm not expecting to win, I didn't expect to beat the other guy I mentioned above, but it is exciting to try. Like being Peterborough Utd and trying to play Chelsea. And I had my scalp this season, so I'm already very happy with my progress
But as someone else said above, in the League and CL I already play against teams at my level so it's nice to have a competition with a bit more of a challenge. I'm guessing you only get teams that are 5 levels above you if you power train, in which case you can get world class/superstar/legends in your own team. But you shouldn't be able to do that and then just stroll through every competition
I honestly don't understand where the fun is in that anyway
If I didn't get excited about games - or even if that seems a bit strong, if I got to 'I don't give a ****' - I'd probably just stop playing. That's kind of my point about the cup, it has kept me playing and trying to improve my team as I'm bossing the league and the best left in the CL
I'm low level, so I expect it will get harder, and if I choose not to buy more tokens then my targets might change - I could become Arsenal and count a top 4 place as a 'trophy'! And that's fine. I came to this game because it was a challenge to play against other players, with different budgets to play with and because I thought maybe I can't win everything. Better than FM where I expect to win everything, every season. But it seems some people bring that attitude on here
Frankly, Peterborough are going to need a lot of luck just to stay in the Championship. But I tell you, everyone of a certain age in the city still remembers the time Liverpool came to town and got beat 1-0 in the League Cup about 20 years ago! That's the joy of football
I prefer the old cup set up and I will tell you why, because back then my whole squad got a chance to play, i.e. first 11 against same or higher level and reserves against levels below mine. but with this cup my reserves don't get a chance as I am meeting teams higher than my level also in the old cup I played against much higher levels and got smashed but in the last couple of seasons before they changed it I got to the semi's but with this new cup I only make the first 2 rounds so I will focus on Champs League & League sod the cup, I don't care!
Kaiballz - it's based on quality, and most teams are similar to your quality. The guy I'm playing in the final has a 7* squad compared to my nearly 6* squad. In theory, as he is a L5 team, he could have a 9* squad if he had all scouts at his level. But he doesn't
He's 4th in his league with much better players above him, so the cup is probably his one chance for glory this season. Me, I'll get the league and hopefully CL, where I've played teams at my level but lower quality mostly. The treble would be a mega achievement
I say this format works fine
Your chances to win the cup under the actual rules are 1 :128. Everyone can win it and everyone can exit in the preliminary round. No matter what you do you can't compete with the game engine since all the teams are evenly matched. In a way i'm happy with this system because if i exit early i don't need to invest to power train my players in order to compete in the quarters, semifinals, etc.
All the CL 1/4 and semi in my bracket are equal or just under my quality. I have never met someone with better quality in the CL in 4 seasons, except for this season and I have to produce a win in my return leg to get the chance to meet him in the FINAL.
Overall, the CL is the more fair competition.
I have to say, as you progress in levels the cup gets harder. I won the cup in lvl 2 and thats it. wife not a chance, brother not a chance and they are both lvl 3.
Frankly, I will give lvl 5 a kick without buying tokens and see what happens. I will most likely be top 4 but if I have no chance at 1st, i will tank the season and stay another round in lvl 5. I am in no rush. I made a vow to not spend one more dime on this game and I wont. I will play for free and let bots win and play hard vs real managers just to fack with them. It might become more fun to be a spoiler when you cant win.
With all the frustration caused by Tommy token and NGE, I will eventually fade away into the real world and pay attention to the new addition to my family coming next year. At which point, I will wish you all well and.....nah, i will just quit and never say fack again.
Really though, when I see Nordeus make some changes or actually give a ****, I might be persuaded to "donate" in the future, but at this point, its really not worth it: the cup, the NGE, injuries, Tommy token, auctions....it just looks bleak....
Fair for whom? You just said you never met anyone better in 4 seasons! So I'm assuming most teams aren't as good, and the ones that are about equal get to 1/4 and semi finals
I used reserves in the group stage. Lost one against an awful team, who finished last, but still qualified
The cup isn't fair - it's just more challenging, and to me more fun
Glad the cup is working out for ya. there are more managers not having fun in the cup than actually having fun. Nordeus forum members are but a small fraction of the playing managers out there that have chosen to speak out on the subject, but I would hazard a guess that many of them are not pleased.
And the reason why I have not met much better competition in the CL is because I have bought a small amount of tokens and was able to smartly increase the quality of my team. Next lvl is the challange to do this without tokens. I might actually get a better cup matchup......:rolleyes:
Sure, the cup is a knockout so only 4/128 managers can last as far as today. I do think this way is better than the old format, from what I've heard
Good luck with no tokens, I think you'll find you can do ok. And yes, I suspect that will mean a better cup draw - perhaps not next season, but likely the following one
Here, here! If they set the cup up the same way as the champs league they may aswell do away with it or if they changed it back to the old format then the top teams in the top leagues would most likely win. The current format is good as its teams that are beatable, teams that will challenge you. Im actually sick of horsing my league and champs league, i even delibrately didnt do much strenghtening of my team this season and still dominated my league and champs league. I went out of the cup after a few tough rounds but it was more fun than the rest of the season put together!
the cup should cancel
This post is correct. Intelligent people should understand why immediately, even though it wont be exactly 1:128 but itll be close. For the not so intelligent... think about it harder lol... you'll probably get there eventually.
So now you know your actual chances of winning the cup. Yea yea, you're in the finals this season. you've probably been really lucky. Mathematically it aint happening for a very long time. Still in love with the nordeus cup? i reckon not.
Spoken like a true Tommy token. This is the price you pay for spending tokens!!!
No matter what cup format, it will be unfair to someone. You will always have higher levels owning lower levels. The way it is now, i think it is more fair for everyone. A "level field of unfairness", if I could put it that way, which I just did.
Tommy token has more of a chance to meet stronger quality in the cup now. It makes no difference to non-token buyers, as they go on as normal and face higher quality like nothing has changed.
To be honest, I enjoy the fact that Tommy token is facing higher level Tommy token in the cup now. I like that they face even low quality higher level teams that just have to upgrade a few players to blow them away. Gives a little warmth to my heart to know that they feel a bit like a non-token buyer when they go up against a Tommy token.
Congrats Nordeus: you got the cup format right.
BUT, I think you should set limits on players such that once your team is entered, only those that entered the first game can play through to the final. Yes, cup-tying. It wont stop the power trainers but it will stop the scout buyers and bring a little bit more fairness to the cup.
Ah, I have bought 80 tokens a few times, I can count on my hand. So not many. The fact is, you have bought them too, and as a result you are placed in a higher quality bracket in the cup. same as me. We all complain about meeting higher quality, but now everyone meets higher quality and it is more fair this way.