It seems like Quality, Attendance and Tactics mean Nothing in this Game

So I played a Champions League Game today against an opponent.

My team quality: 102%
Opponents team quality: 56%

I have 15% attendance bonus for the first half, then the opponent attended with some friends. At the end of the game, I had +5% attendance.

I played 4-5-1 V style defense, through the sides, mixed passing and counter attack. Opponent played 4-2-3-1.

I went down 1-0 at 27' so I changed tactics to short passes and normal. I scored 2, then he scored again to level the field.

End result: 2-2.

If a team half your quality can tie, what is the point of improving your players or doing anything with the game? Is a game decided by throwing a 1D100 dice and seeing the result?

As you play the game for free (with 100-120 free tokens and +1000 green packs per season) it's ok.
It's not worthy to spend money to improve your team as those results are happening often and can destroy your season (and your mental health :p ) .

yes it's a dice game lately... don't bother understanding this game because it's nothing to understand... unreal results and troll draws are too common.. and please, don't spend real money into this game. please!

Thanks. Yeah, I have noticed. It has taken away a lot from the challenge. It feels like it doesn't matter anymore what you do and with so many games, you don't even bother praying for a result. I was going to invest real funds in the game but when I kept getting troll results, I figured that it wasn't worth the investment. Money buys you a better squad but if a better squad still leads to unrealistic results, what is the point. You lose the immersion and the fun of playing. Initially, I would watch the close games and try to change my tactics accordingly, but when I would crush a team 5% weaker 6-0 and then tie a team 40% weaker, it just became laughable because my decisions have little to no impact.

I used to have 2 teams on here and just gave up on the second team when troll results kept happening. I beat one team twice in the champions league group phase only to lose in the final, where they scored a goal at the 89th minute and then they won on penalties. My team was 115% vs. 89%. We played the exact same tactics as the other two games, where I won 6-2 and 5-0. Football shouldn't be predictable but some results are just plainly unrealistic.

That a team like Bayern would lose once or twice, in a couple of years against a 3 division team, ok, but every season there would be a blooper like that... come on!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lucian1986

Thanks. Yeah, I have noticed. It has taken away a lot from the challenge. It feels like it doesn't matter anymore what you do and with so many games, you don't even bother praying for a result. I was going to invest real funds in the game but when I kept getting troll results, I figured that it wasn't worth the investment. Money buys you a better squad but if a better squad still leads to unrealistic results, what is the point. You lose the immersion and the fun of playing. Initially, I would watch the close games and try to change my tactics accordingly, but when I would crush a team 5% weaker 6-0 and then tie a team 40% weaker, it just became laughable because my decisions have little to no impact.

I used to have 2 teams on here and just gave up on the second team when troll results kept happening. I beat one team twice in the champions league group phase only to lose in the final, where they scored a goal at the 89th minute and then they won on penalties. My team was 115% vs. 89%. We played the exact same tactics as the other two games, where I won 6-2 and 5-0. Football shouldn't be predictable but some results are just plainly unrealistic.

That a team like Bayern would lose once or twice, in a couple of years against a 3 division team, ok, but every season there would be a blooper like that... come on!

---

there is a conspiracy behind it all, just we haven't worked out what it is yet

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Richie72

there is a conspiracy behind it all, just we haven't worked out what it is yet

---

Right? It seems more and more like active participation leads to poorer results. How many times have we lost or drawn to significantly inferior teams whose manager does not attend or apparently train their team? When the new Team Play Bonus came out, I made sure to max all the bonuses for each game (each player at 10, each of the 4 skills at 10 as well) plus morale and conditioning and would lose or draw to lesser teams that I could tell did not do these things.

Considering that TE makes most of their money by having us watch ads (I don't think many people actually spend real money), you would think their business model would encourage active participants spending lots of time in the game, watching ads, developing their teams. In-game results should reward active managers who attend their games, make tactical changes and substitutions, and adjust to the game flow - you know, MANAGE. But they seem to penalize managers that do that. I'm tired of trying, and losing to people who don't try. I was hoping this season would be different.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TropikThunder

Considering that TE makes most of their money by having us watch ads (I don't think many people actually spend real money), you would think their business model would encourage active participants spending lots of time in the game, watching ads, developing their teams. In-game results should reward active managers who attend their games, make tactical changes and substitutions, and adjust to the game flow - you know, MANAGE. But they seem to penalize managers that do that. I'm tired of trying, and losing to people who don't try. I was hoping this season would be different.

---

I couldn't agree with you more. I had 2 friends who were active the first two months but when they realized it didn't matter they stopped (at one point, one of them had 500 green packs. One friend lost in the final to a team that was 25% below them and they called it quits. The other friend had a string of defeats against 4 teams that were weaker by a factor of 20-30% and weren't even being managed.

I agree with all what is said here. This season I see it getting worse. My season hasn't started to well. I have played two weaker teams in the league both less by about 5% and I lost one(was present in this match other manager wasn't) and played a draw in the other match. Why is it that you are able to beat better teams and cannot beat a team lower than you. Putting effort almost seems worthless.

If you would read a posts from 2013, there still are a lot of threads about troll results. So nothing changed much about this, just maybe frequency is bigger.

Most important is the chemistry between the team players

look i agree in football bad results happen,this is a game after all not the real thing so in many ways it has to reflect to what might happen in real matches cup upsets etc,theres many many active managers on here who religiously set their team watch all games etc etc, but we are told at the very beginning when we first sign to play the game watch your team gives you a better chance of winning,but lately the less active manager are getting a bigger advantage which is simply not right, its clear in some cases during the game animations just how much changes in tactics from defence to suddenly attack, GK seem to be unbeatable if they want to keep the players who have played this game a long time and attract new players its got to change,otherwise less will play and surely nordeous will lose out on revenue

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by maloukees

Most important is the chemistry between the team players

---

I played with the same team of players that won the treble last season.

I still prefer to attend whenever i can. I mean i wanna see the players i bought, team i assembled play together. Take that away then i would rather play another game. And there are 2 sides to this. What i am reading here is alot of people giving up on attendance but in associations recruitment. Alot require attendance.

the same team 3 different seasons always attending and active management.
one season 2nd,next 13th,next 3rd......

chemistry between players is total bull****. i've heard this before and i can only tell you that it's not true. i know from personal experience but most important from a friend of mine who keeps same players from 18 to 30 yo. all first 11. he boost them to high 7 stars every season and makes the triple crown once in 2 or 3 seasons... and he's always the best among all his opponents. so please don't tell me that omogenity between same players works, because it's not. pure myth.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by funker

chemistry between players is total bull****. i've heard this before and i can only tell you that it's not true. i know from personal experience but most important from a friend of mine who keeps same players from 18 to 30 yo. all first 11. he boost them to high 7 stars every season and makes the triple crown once in 2 or 3 seasons... and he's always the best among all his opponents. so please don't tell me that omogenity between same players works, because it's not. pure myth.

---

Couldn't agree more. This is just an excuse pandered because people don't want to admit it is a dice role. It bears the same weight as saying that it rained the day you played therefore you slipped.

The game is random, which is why you can play 1 half and score 8 goals, and then the second half, the opposing team gets suddenly much better and they score 3 and you score 1. I had this happen even though I was 108% and the opposing team was 45%.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by funker

chemistry between players is total bull****. i've heard this before and i can only tell you that it's not true. i know from personal experience but most important from a friend of mine who keeps same players from 18 to 30 yo. all first 11. he boost them to high 7 stars every season and makes the triple crown once in 2 or 3 seasons... and he's always the best among all his opponents. so please don't tell me that omogenity between same players works, because it's not. pure myth.

---

I agree. There was no chemistry in TE11. Two seasons ago, I was in semi-final champion league. First leg, I won 1-4. 2nd leg, my opponent changed 10/11 player of his squad by scout players just one day before the match and won me back 4-1 (I lost at penalty). He didn't attend 2nd leg. My team was about 105% and his new team was about 113%.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Doors FC

the same team 3 different seasons always attending and active management.
one season 2nd,next 13th,next 3rd......

---

13th with attendance and active management? Wtf! What level are you at and what was your quality? I am surprised you didn’t give up on the game at that point.

Nah, i also don’t think it’s chemistry. You got trolled. Game engine wanted that result for some reason. To make it competitive or whatever.

Last season I lost 4-0 against a team 30 percent below me. The Home fixture I beat him 5-0. In the match that I lost, my players played liked pussies and nothing I did could prevent the goals. Every change I made, 1 more goal scored against me. My player gave up the ball continuously and no one had a rating above 7. All 5s and 6s

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by EastsiderSG

Nah, i also don’t think it’s chemistry. You got trolled. Game engine wanted that result for some reason. To make it competitive or whatever.

Last season I lost 4-0 against a team 30 percent below me. The Home fixture I beat him 5-0. In the match that I lost, my players played liked pussies and nothing I did could prevent the goals. Every change I made, 1 more goal scored against me. My player gave up the ball continuously and no one had a rating above 7. All 5s and 6s

---

And therein lies the problem. This shows how very little control we actually have on our team or on the game. A friend and I tried once to see if we could reverse a game that was meant to be a troll. I was 101% and he was 56%. After 9 friendly games, we got the troll. In 20min, he was leading 2-0. He switched his GK for a Striker and moved all his players to the side. Nothing changed. The game ended 3-2 for him and his ST converted GK earned a 7.2.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lucian1986

And therein lies the problem. This shows how very little control we actually have on our team or on the game. A friend and I tried once to see if we could reverse a game that was meant to be a troll. I was 101% and he was 56%. After 9 friendly games, we got the troll. In 20min, he was leading 2-0. He switched his GK for a Striker and moved all his players to the side. Nothing changed. The game ended 3-2 for him and his ST converted GK earned a 7.2.

---

it will be interesting to see if nordeous do anything about this and listen to the concerns of the managers, this cannot be good for the game in the future or nordeous

Better get used to it, i had three matches, my player rating was far better (9-8), my oppo was like 6-7 highest, they beat me.... the only difference is their GK going berserk, what can i do ? nothing... just watching every shots my striker made annihilated by his low rate GK, three matches in row!

i used to mad, but now.. i dont care, just call it bad luck and his side have better luck

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by iansyorkcityfc

it will be interesting to see if nordeous do anything about this and listen to the concerns of the managers, this cannot be good for the game in the future or nordeous

---

Doubtful. I don't think Nordeus cares about their game as long as they profit from it. Just had another game where the team was 43.7%, I was 104% and I struggled to a 3-1 victory. Opponent GK wasn't a beast in the game, but my team seemed to repeatedly struggle to defend. I felt that I was watching my team play against a team of similar quality.

almost every match is strange lately... i'm 120% and after winning in ch league first leg 6-0 (the match was more balanced than the score shows), today in the second leg i barely won 2-0 with the same abandoned team. most surprising were the statistics at the end. 74-26 possesion, 28 shots and only 4!!! on target, and his gk had 2 saves...still got a 6 rating.
on the next match (league) i faced a 2* abandoned team with following statistics: poss: 79-21, 25 shots, 16!!! on target, his gk 4 saves, final score: 4-0. so. 4 goals, 4 saves = 8. wtf happened with the other 8 shots???? i have no idea.
and another example: 80% vs 100%, poss: 55-45, shots/on goal: 15/3, 12/1, gk saves: 1/0. final score: 0-0. 80% teams's GK man of the match with 1 save. 100% team's gk had 0 saves from 3 shots on target - scored 7.7... is this game out of his f*ckin' mind???
nothing makes sense anymore... in-game animations are rubbish, tactics are useless (even if i play through the middle the ball still goes to the wing who crosses a sh*t and the defender clears it), results are total jokes, statistics are more than non-sense... i don't know if dead, but this game is ALMOST dead...

all of you guys constantly moaning and groaning and playing the same records. for god's sake THE GAME IS DEAD get over it

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Richie72

all of you guys constantly moaning and groaning and playing the same records. for god's sake THE GAME IS DEAD get over it

---

I can't help but agree. In the champions league, with my 106% team, I just tied against a team that had a quality rating of 76% . This is beyond belief, especially since 2 days ago, I beat the exact same team (abandoned) with the same formation, 8-0. I am sorry but the game results make absolutely no sense any more.

To respond to you remark on moaning, I think that we are entitled to criticize the game since we are being deceived by the game creators. They claim that if you do x, y and z, (which includes spending money and watching adds) you will succeed or do well. Yet, time and time again, we hear of managers painstakingly tailoring their team, watching the adds and training their team, only for the game to make them lose against an abandoned team or a much weaker team.

This season troll results skyrocketed. I have several losses and draws with teams 30% weaker.

me too, keep losing against weaker opponent
one thing I notice in recent seasons is this ridiculous "referee waves play on" , whenever the opponent foul , referee waves play on and I got nothing , attack is stopped just like that , but never happen to the opponent..

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Roland Taverner

This season troll results skyrocketed. I have several losses and draws with teams 30% weaker.

---

Today, i draw against 70% team (my team 108%) , with weird tactic formation (he put almost all of his player on mid) , again, trolled by super GK... cant do nothing, just saying "here we go again, GK saves his day and ruin mine lmao" , has been 4 times this season.. i hate low rate GK goes superman

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kaiwan

me too, keep losing against weaker opponent
one thing I notice in recent seasons is this ridiculous "referee waves play on" , whenever the opponent foul , referee waves play on and I got nothing , attack is stopped just like that , but never happen to the opponent..

---

Those are crazy, as are situation when the ball clearly goes out of bounds yet the players run out of bounds and continue as if nothing has happened.

This looks like more troll results than normal.

Almost 100% of my matches is a troll result..

Nordeus fix this instead of make useless things like "Road to Rio"

Fix the game engine that is where we , the managers, are waiting for

biggest upset also happen in real football... just respect your opponent

"That was an exceptional from our opponent.":mad:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by maloukees

This looks like more troll results than normal.

Almost 100% of my matches is a troll result..

Nordeus fix this instead of make useless things like "Road to Rio"

Fix the game engine that is where we , the managers, are waiting for

---

I couldn't agree more. They really should be focused on fixing the game. I just got lucky today and beat an opponent 5-2 when we were 108 vs 102. Meanwhile, a friend of mine lost 2-1 in a match he dominated with his 104% team against a 89% team. Apparently, the assistant manager stated "They really impressed today". Additional details, my friend was present, the game was on his home turf, he had fans and no one showed up for the opponent.

Quote:

---

108 vs 102
104% team against a 89% team

---

With those qualities it's not a troll.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας

With those qualities it's not a troll.

---

maybe not, but when i face a -15%, -20% up to -40% lower team, or even balanced quality with mine and i have 25 shots and only 5 on target, 65,70% possession and he scores 1 goal from 2 shots... for me is a troll. server somehow wanted him to win. it's the same scenario with a 2* abandoned team... you have tons of chances but can't score and he scores from 2 chances. still troll :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας

With those qualities it's not a troll.

---

I didn't say they were trolls per se. Those are just bouts of luck. This is how the luck factor should play out, although for the match where there was a 15% quality difference, you have to also add all the bonuses the stronger team had. These bonuses would no doubt push it into the 20% range, which makes the result strange. Had both managers attended, I would have been more likely to agree that it was just a slip up.

I think Funker said it best in his response. When I watched the game, I felt that the simulator simply had the other team winning. The manager did everything right, put all the bonuses on his side and had a significant margin of superiority, but it seemed like the dice were already rolled. At that point, why bother spending time on your team?

In my opinion, a troll result is when you have (1) a team that is 25% weaker and they tie or defeat the stronger team or (2) two equal teams end up with a crazy score (i.e. 102 vs 105% and the 102% player wins by 7 goals).

I think that the game should be about managers having fun and getting excited about close encounters (10% difference), not worrying every game that it will be a troll match where the reason for their loss was because the simulator said so.

Why is it that every season that I am on top the table, and then I try to keep it that way I just surprisingly get a string of bad results. Yesterday I got an unexpected draw and then today I lost. Being present at these matches mean nothing. I know it's just a game but they should make it in a way that'll keep people playing and not push them away. See these statistics:
Game of today I'm at home, I'm present, but for some reason the opponents keeper nearly saves all my shots. Looked at his recent records and that's not usual. Attachment 123937
My teams name is Mystic Ballerz. That's just both of our formations. I ain't ever see it change tho
Attachment 123939
And that's our quality, i could understand if it was a 5% difference. Upsets like this should be more common in Cups or Champions League
Attachment 123941
That's the statistics.
Attachment 123943
And then the assistant comments.

I really try to enjoy Top Eleven but when results like that come in after you try soo hard with your team, constant training, alway try to be at games, you shouldn't be rewarded with results like that in the league. At least active managers should get done rewards for their hard work with better results.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Richie72

all of you guys constantly moaning and groaning and playing the same records. for god's sake THE GAME IS DEAD get over it

---

it is saying

The King is dead.
Long live the King !

as we don't have a new King (yet), the old is still alive :p

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lucian1986

I couldn't agree more. They really should be focused on fixing the game. I just got lucky today and beat an opponent 5-2 when we were 108 vs 102. Meanwhile, a friend of mine lost 2-1 in a match he dominated with his 104% team against a 89% team. Apparently, the assistant manager stated "They really impressed today". Additional details, my friend was present, the game was on his home turf, he had fans and no one showed up for the opponent.

---

I drew a game a few seasons ago. I was above 110 and he was about 20%, 20 f...ing%. And i drew 1-1 coming from behind scoring in the last few minutes. That's what i call a hell of a draw.