My sincere opinions about Top Eleven game

[SuperDunk]

If you think you need a team of over 120% to say you are playing against other active managers, I think you missed a lot of points in this game. From level 2 i faced many active managers in each competition.
That picture illustrates a comparison between a virtual league and a real one, where you will never see a team without a coach to be first.

Yes, i think he also misses the point of an active manager, the active manager is the one that watches his games, trains his players and tries to be as good as possible without spending money, some people don t know about the ads and the youth being the better players for the progress of their club. DO I REALLY HAVE TO REMEMBER TO YOU PEOPLE THAT AUCTION IS THE STUPIDEST THING IN THIS GAME? MAYBE EVEN MORE STUPID THAN THE GAME ENGINE ITSELF?
spending dozens of tokens on 5* players, it wasn t the case before top eleven 2016, where you could find FT for couple of tokens and also lots of them, now they are non existent and when they show up they aren t for the position you need. You simply can t perform with this auction, fighting with lvl 50+ managers while you re lvl 3 it s stupid, but maybe they think it will make more managers spend money to try to keep up with the competition, but i think they re wrong on this one.

[Der_Ryan_M]

If the 1st place has 110%, and there are other 3-4-5 active teams with around 90 or even 80, put one team to 100%, trust me, it won t matter. It doesn t matter anymore, the team with the higher rating wins in the league with a large majority i think.The cup finals are random, those are the games where the trolling occurs more than regular games, but again if the managers are active does that make a difference? I think the game already decides from the beggining whose team will play better in that final, either you are the higher rated or better team, it doesn t matter, if the game engine wants you to lose the final, you lose the final.

I am at no point defending the game or the engine. I think for a major part, this game is in a horrible state right now. But it is still possible to win a huge chunk of your matches vs opponents who are A lower in quality (and skills) compared to your team and/or B are just not as active. By that I mean setting up formations or tactics according to opponents settings and of course train bonuses, which is also a huge part to separate active players from not active.
The odd troll happens here or there and that can be the problem especially with finals, where you only have 1 game and in this one game the engine can really be your main opponent. Like there is a chance in every game you play for that to happen, but in a league game it might not matter that much as you have 25 other matches to decide the outcome and other people will also face a troll at some point.

If you think you need a team of over 120% to say you are playing against other active managers, I think you missed a lot of points in this game. From level 2 i faced many active managers in each competition.
That picture illustrates a comparison between a virtual league and a real one, where you will never see a team without a coach to be first.

It depends what you are calling active. Not every 120% player must be active either, he can just not promote 1 or 2 times and there he is. I'm not here to argue, however I think your comparison is lacking, comparing the game with real life football just isn't possible. There are no real life teams without coaches in the first place. And what you showed is like 14 teams in one league all playing without coaches. So if this was to happen, of course one random team without a coach must be on top of the table, if the games are being played.
All I wanted to say is, that when you are in a low level with a low quality team, chances are very high you will be put into a league with many inactive teams. Because it takes you 4 months of playing to get there and a lot of players might lose interest in the game after that time. Not so easy to get to Level 80, you must have played the game for a long time and with some dedication at least. Of course also a player in Level 80 can lose interest in playing and is then inactive opponent for others playing there.

[SuperDunk]

My name is Alexe, i'm 36 years old, passionate about football and this is my 11 season playing top eleven. I had an attempt to play this game in 2014, but due to some reasons I stopped playing and 5 years later i create a new fresh account. In my first season i end up on second place, so i was determined to learn more and improve.
My philosophy from start was and is for my team to have an offensive style, possession and score a lot of goals.

I started looking for informations, asked people(iceman was like gold mine for me, his experience was like a bless) in order to see and know how to counter my opponent's mentality, what passing was he using(short long or mix), what flank was he trying to play, focus passing on his strong wing or both flanks, middle or trying to exploit my defense weaknesses, etc.
I think in this months i accumulated tons of sheets of paper with my opponents setups and my counter setups. I even have 200 MB of files txt on a external hard with how to counter an offensive or defensive manager, high pressing or offside trap, passing when and how, special abilities, what skills are important for X position, amc(s) position(s) benefits, drill orders, arrows and many other things. Some of them i shared on iceman's server.

I remember when i start season 2 i saw strikerless formation used by PROF and i was very intrigued how this is working. I started looking videos on youtube to understand the concept of false 9 versus classic 9, i analyzed my every match and tooked notes. Was a pain until i realised how this position works and what are his benefits for the team. I didnt had very good offensive players and was lossing some games against managers who played with 4,5,6 defensive players and i didnt know what changes to do. I remember when iceman told me to use a STRIKER because he will recover the lose balls and will give me more controll, but being a fan of strikerless formation and stubborn, i positioned my good MC in amc position having a 424 or 4114 against 4 or 5 or 6 defenders. And i saw the magic with 2amcs and was thrilled because i won with 13-0 (my biggest score). This doesn't mean i play strikerless formation every single match. Sometimes i have to adapt according to my opponent style and formation and i rotate my players in order to play with a striker , giving my other players opportunities to exploit a gap and score.
Since then i won 8 leagues, 6CL, 7 cups, 6 super cups trophies with 2441goals scored and 254 conceded goals.

But enough with this story from an old man. I created this thread to express my sincere opinions about this game after 11 months.
We all know that no game is perfect and developers are always trying to fix the errors or bugs and give us a football game as close as possible to the one from reality.

I don't know what happened after the "training bug"(when many managers quit the game due NORDEUS mistake), but they changed the engine code in a mode to give low teams and inactive managers defensive bonuses and random "super powers" to opponent's offensive players during a match. You all had games against low teams or inactive managers, were their goalkeeper had between 5 - 10 saves per game and his weak offensive players out ran your "usain bolt" defenders or scored from nowhere having very weak skills with 100% shot efficiency. I'm not that stu.pid to say this unexpected results don't happen in real life. I realise i will have this kind of games, but at least give me a chance to control my team and maybe lose, because the other manager was better than me, instead AI "controling" my players and make them miss from every position.
You can deceive others by giving them blind answers, but not me, because my daily job is about coding and i see when you change your engine codes in order to make strong teams with very well trained players, playing like amateurs against weak quality teams.
I did an experiment last season when i decreased my team quality from over 130% to a 100% for every single final and guess what, won every single finale, because their AI considered that my team being the weakest one in this duels.

The game engine shifted so much into a "gamble game" where every logic from real football it's a nonsense in top eleven match. If you ask every manager who played this game for years, it will tell you the same. Countless bugs and errors which are not repaired and your only concern is about releasing more events and special sponsors to gain more money from us. Not to mention about tankers who ruin CL CUP and EVENTS competitions.
The only improvement nordeus did was with this "Academy"(you don't allow us to train our players + absurd offers for "coaching") where many people didn't received once a FT player (in old academy i had at least 1 or 2 FT players). Plus affected the transfer market where again, you spend days to find a 18 yo FT.
From where do you get this ideas ? Do you even read and listen our ideas to improve this game ?
"Do you like Top Eleven ?" Only button is "YES" or you affraid to see the reality ?

Imagine being active every match, watching ads to bank greens and stay in platinum and all this doesn't mean anything to Nordeus.
I wonder if they go to work every day, they receive half of their salary from Nordeus CEO Branko Milutinović ? Basically this is what we get from creating teams like apolo from their AI engine.

Being active every match - Nordeus doesnt care
Having tactical knowledges - AI engine doesnt care
Because AI engine is programmed to replace the inactive managers and win against your better players.
Developers and the guys who are controlling this Nordeus game need to understand that managers are spending from their time to watch the ads(which gives nordeus money from every ad you are watching) to bank green packs in order to create squads to compete with other managers. Some people are spending real money to create squads with very well trained players, same logic.

"Why to bother be online and lose matches thanks to AI engine, when you can become inactive and let AI win every match for you" - this is the concept Nordeus is trying to implement at the moment from their development.

They need to realise that this nonsense with AI changes in codes has reached a limit where im very disgusted. They need to let us the freedom to compete and stop helping the inactive and lower teams, otherwise this game won't last another 10 years with this AI changes.
Every forum or discord server linked to this game is full with players that are complaining against your AI changes. If you choose to not care about this thread and our opinions, this means you don't deserve us.


All i want from others managers who had the time and patience to read my thread, is to write his sincere opinion about the game he is playing. I want to start a "MOVEMENT" where i want our thoughts to be heard by nordeus employers in order to make this game to actually feel like a real football.
Do not be rude with them, do not post pictures with your troll games, write only your sincere thoughts.

Maybe this will be the change we need, to stop nordeus with this rng games from AI tweaks.

Stay safe, peace !

I actually know you, hey buddy.
I ve posted countless rants on this forum, i m tired of remembering them back again. The thing is that the game it self doens t follow a logic, and it s just as random as a game can be.

[SuperDunk]

"at I mean setting up formations or tactics according to opponents settings"
Do you even believe that? OMG, the game has no correlation with real life football, so what do formations/tactics mean to you?
Trust me, if i have one specific formation for all my games, and my players are trained much better than my close up opponent, they can call top 11 gods on that one, i win most of the times, and the other time i get outmatched, but let s just say that the game engine decides that before the game, not him.

[Der_Ryan_M]

"at I mean setting up formations or tactics according to opponents settings"
Do you even believe that? OMG, the game has no correlation with real life football, so what do formations/tactics mean to you?
Trust me, if i have one specific formation for all my games, and my players are trained much better than my close up opponent, they can call top 11 gods on that one, i win most of the times, and the other time i get outmatched, but let s just say that the game engine decides that before the game, not him.

Why not? Do you think the option to change your formation or set up tactics is there for the laugh? From all the games I played and watched from my friends, I can tell you with a good amount of confidence, that changing formations according to your opponents formation has influence on the outcome of games.
I mean not reading stuff out of the bad ingame animations in 2D version. I mean just in the background for calculations.
If you play Formation A vs Formation B your chances will be higher of winning that match than if you might play Formation C. Why would I want to miss out on something, that can get me a better chance of winning, when it is so easy as changing my formation before the game starts? Its another brick in the wall, like training skills of the players and all of that.

[SuperDunk]

Why not? Do you think the option to change your formation or set up tactics is there for the laugh? From all the games I played and watched from my friends, I can tell you with a good amount of confidence, that changing formations according to your opponents formation has influence on the outcome of games.
I mean not reading stuff out of the bad ingame animations in 2D version. I mean just in the background for calculations.
If you play Formation A vs Formation B your chances will be higher of winning that match than if you might play Formation C. Why would I want to miss out on something, that can get me a better chance of winning, when it is so easy as changing my formation before the game starts? Its another brick in the wall, like training skills of the players and all of that.

Well, by tactics you probably mean not something inspired from real life, but something that the game wants you to play in order for you to have the better outcome.As i said before, i think any correlation of the game to the real life is wrong, it wants to replicate football, but in it s own broken way.

[𝐃𝐎𝐍𝐚𝐥𝐞𝐱𝐞❤𝐆 iwnl]

Im not talking and crying about single results or defeats where my opponent was better than me.
Im talking about how the AI engine shifts so much that it's impossible to have a DAY without being trolled. If my friends post were apporved, you will see and understand from their perspective who analyzed this game, how messed up it is.

[Der_Ryan_M]

Well, by tactics you probably mean not something inspired from real life, but something that the game wants you to play in order for you to have the better outcome.As i said before, i think any correlation of the game to the real life is wrong, it wants to replicate football, but in it s own broken way.

Yes, exactly I mean something like if opponent is playing offensive you should play defensive. There can also be a scenario, where you are 2-0 down for example and then the right thing to do can be setting up hard defending tactic, because it works like rock paper scissors well with your opponent tactics. It's not associated with real life tactics or sense behind it. It's numbers and calculations... So imo it is not completely random, even though it feels like because it doesn't make sense a lot of time regarding tactics especially.
Formations same, it's not always said that you playing 2 strikers vs 3W, so vs one DC is guaranteed you to win. But if you just try a lot of things and watch a lot of games, you see patterns which formations work vs others and which you should avoid. It's a thing I focused on the last year or so since I started playing again and it really helped me a lot, I can recommend it to pay attention to these things also.

[𝐃𝐎𝐍𝐚𝐥𝐞𝐱𝐞❤𝐆 iwnl]

Yes, exactly I mean something like if opponent is playing offensive you should play defensive. There can also be a scenario, where you are 2-0 down for example and then the right thing to do can be setting up hard defending tactic, because it works like rock paper scissors well with your opponent tactics. It's not associated with real life tactics or sense behind it. It's numbers and calculations... So imo it is not completely random, even though it feels like because it doesn't make sense a lot of time regarding tactics especially.
Formations same, it's not always said that you playing 2 strikers vs 3W, so vs one DC is guaranteed you to win. But if you just try a lot of things and watch a lot of games, you see patterns which formations work vs others and which you should avoid. It's a thing I focused on the last year or so since I started playing again and it really helped me a lot, I can recommend it to pay attention to these things also.

What are you saying against active managers, then you are perfectly right. Against AI this won't work and you can change the system and setup how many times you want, the pre-determined result it will be in AI favour.

[SuperDunk]

Yes, exactly I mean something like if opponent is playing offensive you should play defensive. There can also be a scenario, where you are 2-0 down for example and then the right thing to do can be setting up hard defending tactic, because it works like rock paper scissors well with your opponent tactics. It's not associated with real life tactics or sense behind it. It's numbers and calculations... So imo it is not completely random, even though it feels like because it doesn't make sense a lot of time regarding tactics especially.
Formations same, it's not always said that you playing 2 strikers vs 3W, so vs one DC is guaranteed you to win. But if you just try a lot of things and watch a lot of games, you see patterns which formations work vs others and which you should avoid. It's a thing I focused on the last year or so since I started playing again and it really helped me a lot, I can recommend it to pay attention to these things also.

I mean i don t really understand mentality, sometimes if i pick attacking i struggle scoring, and if i keep defensive i can score lots of goals in a short span of time. I don t really understand how all this works, but what i know for sure is that the mentality doesn t work as it s intended too.Sometimes if i choose defensive or hard defensive i m conceding a very late goal in the game.
The game is rigged !