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    im curious, are OP view same as the others view? example OP playing "almost regular" team, while maybe the others playing with "almost or maybe mutant/red player" team, because that could make a big, huge difference point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.gavrilin View Post
    Well it was a nice and very reasonable reply. Thank you. I appreciate you point of view.

    As for my opinion - these thoughts are not taken from anywhere but are proved by screenshots from the game. Unfortunately I can't load them now as I'm writing from PC and playing the game on mobile (maybe tomorrow). But just one recent example - my last match I was playing with an order to attach from both flanks with arrows up on dl dr and aml amr. In the end in the report I see 65% attacks through center and some 15-20% for the flanks. Wanna more? The most interesting feature of the game is counter attacks. When you see your opponent plays attack or even hard attack you would actually chose defence with counter attacks BUT there will be no counter attacks from your side, not in a single match! just and opposite - your opponents will keep catching your team on counter attacks. Then you switch on attacking, switch off counter attacks and what a miracle - you team at once starts counter attacking. Well there are a lot of such examples.

    But don't blame it on our laziness - soon you will see it yourself. The only thing I can offer you - wanna play a friendly match? I don't mind. You can just check how lazy me and my team is)))
    With your quoted example, it is difficult to deduce why that happens, but I can have a guess (because I nearly play a different formation every match for most 51 matches a season, probably 45 different pre-match ones at least, with lots of them tailor-made counters to attack opponent’s weakest player, flank, area and certain space, hence know a bit more about positioning).

    In general, if we put our passing focus to 1-flank, that flank’s attacking arrow will be around 55-60%; both flanks then it would be 40% on each flank with the middle 20%; playing middle would usually have 60% middle, with 20% on each flank. This is general, assuming that we use symmetrical formations with most players at default positions.
    However, when we put 4 or even 5 players onto 1 of our flanks and attack via that 1 flank only (eg. 3-1-4-1L/R-1, with DMC at DL region & ST at AML region, so effectively a 5-man-overlapping flank attack), match stats may show a 65 to even 70% attacking arrow on the left flank, and that is a direct reflection of average players positioning and their actual attacking threat. Same applies when we play a 3n-4-1-2 via middle with ML & MR at MC region, middle arrow will show 80%+ attacks there, simply because all players do move central with formation and order setting, and then player positioning dictates it further.

    If the above is understood, I can confidently say that some players of yours, such as MC & ST are placed very central to have affected the % of play negatively onto the flanks. If all MCs are moved to ML & MR regions, all ST(s) move to AML & AMR regions, then the flank attacking % will be enhanced positively for a pre-set both flanks attacks. And my guess is you may have used mixed passing, instead of both flanks, so the players’ own form will further dictate where most play goes, instead of enforced order to flanks only.

    And then comes to point of counter attacking. Other managers would call that risky, but I turn on CA for 80% of matches and so I may have slightly more experience with counter attacks than others. CA-on function simply means as it states: our team DMC or defenders will be willing to risk keeping hold of safe possession turnover upon successful defensive moves, such as tackling and pass interception, for an increased chance of launching counter attacks (eg. In animations, when defenders opt not to launch counter attacks, he will pass the possession gained to a teammate, typically sideway or back-pass, just to hold possession; when CA is on, there will be an increase of chances that an immediate long [cross-field] pass will be made upon gained possession, followed by team moves leading to a shot on goal, which could be a goal, save or miss).

    And obviously it does not stop there. When our team has a significant quality advantage over opposition, our huge advantage in possession means opposition could hardly get hold of the ball, let alone deep into our half, hence using CA against very weak opposition is a waste of extra conditions no matter what mentality we choose; when our team faces a slightly weaker opponent (eg, opponent attacker whites of around 120%, and our defenders whites around 150%), then CA will be very useful when we turn our mentality to hard attacking plus long pass when it seems to be a silly move. Very hard attacking in such quality difference scenario would not only push our attackers to score more via riskier moves, but also purposefully losing long passes to be intercepted by our opponents who are just good enough to get the possession turnover and then do not possess the required attacking whites to threaten our defenders, and then our defenders expectedly get back the possession turnover to launch a counter attack for another goal. Needless to say, we can only play this kind of strategy when we already have fully analysed opposition threat (so it will be a counter goal to us, but not a possession turnover to opponent leading to goal against). This scenario will still happen with CA off, but just more frequently with CA on. And it goes without saying that this also is a very good strategy to get a 1-0 win when frontline and midfielders simply would not score via direct open play or set pieces.

    All about of use with a combination of quality difference, mentality, passing type and if it is a suitable situation to apply it.

    So, all in all, animations could both initiate our change of orders (eg. when 2 long passes are intercepted by opposition in first half, we should change to short), substitution (certain attacker missing all easy chances via animations), identification of opposition orders (press, pass & direction types) and also be a reflection of our orders (CA moves). Personally, I am more than genuinely happy if opposition treats animation as useless when they would have missed important signals and information which could have prompted in-match changes to benefit their teams.

    More than welcome to play friendlies and test it out there
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    No offense to you @a.gavrilin but some of your statements suggest, that in your mind you are still playing TE 2017, where the skills were always the deciding factor and you could beat 50% stronger teams easily with your 300% white goalkeeper training players.
    I am also a top of the server player and I can say that the game has changed a lot over the last 2 or 3 years. And you need to adapt to those things to remain successful. If you complain about losing with your 110% well-trained team vs some very high % guy, who bought all his players in the youth academy or whatever, I can just don't see anything wrong with that in todays engine. It is what the game has become, like it or not...

    In the end everyone of us has his own experience and strategies to play the game and has developed a feeling for what things are working and what may not be important. For example reading opponents tactics from the animations - not important for me. I am a text mode player and still won a lot of titles in the last few seasons. Pressing the bonus during a live match also not important, I rarely do that. Formations very important for me.
    HeavensAAA has other opinions on these things and I respect that, if it works for him. If you feel stuck in the game and it makes you feel unhappy, it might be time to quit. I had stages in my "career" in TE where I felt the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M View Post
    No offense to you @a.gavrilin but some of your statements suggest, that in your mind you are still playing TE 2017, where the skills were always the deciding factor and you could beat 50% stronger teams easily with your 300% white goalkeeper training players.
    I am also a top of the server player and I can say that the game has changed a lot over the last 2 or 3 years. And you need to adapt to those things to remain successful. If you complain about losing with your 110% well-trained team vs some very high % guy, who bought all his players in the youth academy or whatever, I can just don't see anything wrong with that in todays engine. It is what the game has become, like it or not...

    In the end everyone of us has his own experience and strategies to play the game and has developed a feeling for what things are working and what may not be important. For example reading opponents tactics from the animations - not important for me. I am a text mode player and still won a lot of titles in the last few seasons. Pressing the bonus during a live match also not important, I rarely do that. Formations very important for me.
    HeavensAAA has other opinions on these things and I respect that, if it works for him. If you feel stuck in the game and it makes you feel unhappy, it might be time to quit. I had stages in my "career" in TE where I felt the same.
    Well this is actually what I'm telling - you just repeated my point of view. That previously the game was much of a tactics with 1-2 random results during the season. But now it changed a lot. And I don't like this change because now the results are based on I don't know what principles. Somehow it even seems to me that Nordeus itself has lost control over the engine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavensAAA View Post
    With your quoted example, it is difficult to deduce why that happens, but I can have a guess (because I nearly play a different formation every match for most 51 matches a season, probably 45 different pre-match ones at least, with lots of them tailor-made counters to attack opponent’s weakest player, flank, area and certain space, hence know a bit more about positioning).

    In general, if we put our passing focus to 1-flank, that flank’s attacking arrow will be around 55-60%; both flanks then it would be 40% on each flank with the middle 20%; playing middle would usually have 60% middle, with 20% on each flank. This is general, assuming that we use symmetrical formations with most players at default positions.
    However, when we put 4 or even 5 players onto 1 of our flanks and attack via that 1 flank only (eg. 3-1-4-1L/R-1, with DMC at DL region & ST at AML region, so effectively a 5-man-overlapping flank attack), match stats may show a 65 to even 70% attacking arrow on the left flank, and that is a direct reflection of average players positioning and their actual attacking threat. Same applies when we play a 3n-4-1-2 via middle with ML & MR at MC region, middle arrow will show 80%+ attacks there, simply because all players do move central with formation and order setting, and then player positioning dictates it further.

    If the above is understood, I can confidently say that some players of yours, such as MC & ST are placed very central to have affected the % of play negatively onto the flanks. If all MCs are moved to ML & MR regions, all ST(s) move to AML & AMR regions, then the flank attacking % will be enhanced positively for a pre-set both flanks attacks. And my guess is you may have used mixed passing, instead of both flanks, so the players’ own form will further dictate where most play goes, instead of enforced order to flanks only.

    And then comes to point of counter attacking. Other managers would call that risky, but I turn on CA for 80% of matches and so I may have slightly more experience with counter attacks than others. CA-on function simply means as it states: our team DMC or defenders will be willing to risk keeping hold of safe possession turnover upon successful defensive moves, such as tackling and pass interception, for an increased chance of launching counter attacks (eg. In animations, when defenders opt not to launch counter attacks, he will pass the possession gained to a teammate, typically sideway or back-pass, just to hold possession; when CA is on, there will be an increase of chances that an immediate long [cross-field] pass will be made upon gained possession, followed by team moves leading to a shot on goal, which could be a goal, save or miss).

    And obviously it does not stop there. When our team has a significant quality advantage over opposition, our huge advantage in possession means opposition could hardly get hold of the ball, let alone deep into our half, hence using CA against very weak opposition is a waste of extra conditions no matter what mentality we choose; when our team faces a slightly weaker opponent (eg, opponent attacker whites of around 120%, and our defenders whites around 150%), then CA will be very useful when we turn our mentality to hard attacking plus long pass when it seems to be a silly move. Very hard attacking in such quality difference scenario would not only push our attackers to score more via riskier moves, but also purposefully losing long passes to be intercepted by our opponents who are just good enough to get the possession turnover and then do not possess the required attacking whites to threaten our defenders, and then our defenders expectedly get back the possession turnover to launch a counter attack for another goal. Needless to say, we can only play this kind of strategy when we already have fully analysed opposition threat (so it will be a counter goal to us, but not a possession turnover to opponent leading to goal against). This scenario will still happen with CA off, but just more frequently with CA on. And it goes without saying that this also is a very good strategy to get a 1-0 win when frontline and midfielders simply would not score via direct open play or set pieces.

    All about of use with a combination of quality difference, mentality, passing type and if it is a suitable situation to apply it.

    So, all in all, animations could both initiate our change of orders (eg. when 2 long passes are intercepted by opposition in first half, we should change to short), substitution (certain attacker missing all easy chances via animations), identification of opposition orders (press, pass & direction types) and also be a reflection of our orders (CA moves). Personally, I am more than genuinely happy if opposition treats animation as useless when they would have missed important signals and information which could have prompted in-match changes to benefit their teams.

    More than welcome to play friendlies and test it out there
    Let's go to PM and arrange a match there so not to flood the topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by minvis80 View Post
    Some managers can train player only up to 180% but some can do over 190%.rules said that skills is reaching max 2700 points but some can go much over.same with support which means nothing.its just iliusion.too many lies coming from nordeus and many times its proved that you are not making any impact on game,they taking over.new FA will be pile of s*** so season after season just getting worst.start to be only business.time to look for something else.
    Welcome minvis,

    You will find many questions with this game but it can be fun for a while at least. The biggest problem is greed by Nordeus, they are constantly scheming to take players money and when that fails they simply steal their assets. I have filed several complaints but customer service is non existent. A few players have found success in the game and I wish them well but this will be my last season as the corruption from Nordeus is too much.

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    Well, no news from HeavensAAA ((( Unfortunately

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.gavrilin View Post
    Well, no news from HeavensAAA ((( Unfortunately
    Apologies for any delays in replies as I have been occupied at work while trying my best to help with asso recruitment, review and communications for the past week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavensAAA View Post
    Apologies for any delays in replies as I have been occupied at work while trying my best to help with asso recruitment, review and communications for the past week.
    check you pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavensAAA View Post
    Apologies for any delays in replies as I have been occupied at work while trying my best to help with asso recruitment, review and communications for the past week.
    I still keep waiting

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