A sad but necessary decision

[Kenny Jones]

Kenny, we're still waiting...

Firstly, an apology. It has taken me a long time to put this together. I apologies If I have come across ignorant or rude.

Top Eleven

I am a computer engineer. I understand that this is a game programmed by an algorithm. The skill lies in trying to understand that algorithm. It is likely to not be complicated and probably never changed. Nordeus found something that worked and are unlikely to have changed it.
I have been playing this game for 4 years and have only just started to figure it out.
This game is not about winning matches but about playing matches and winning resources.
My team is at 127% and I have won an average of 1 trophy for every season that I have played the game. I have found that staying around 130% at the end of the season, with my players with high white skills gives me the most competitive draws for the next season.

Game play

My experience is different to Kris. I believe that there are 4 or 5 key positions in a squad and 4 or 5 key players. I also believe that there is a hidden player attribute of form which varies from player to player and day to day. The trick to this game lies in working out who are your key positions and players. Every squad is different. These key players seem to change every time a new player is added to your squad, but the key positions stay for the season. You need to have those key players in those key positions and hope that they are in form.
Find a formation that involves your key positions and then put your key players into those positions. You may need to adjust this every season.
Counter formations with players with high white skills can work. But you also need your key players in key positions and their form to be good.

Friends
Make lots of friends with players at least 5 levels below you. You can find them by watching who bids on players in the transfer market. Keep a watch on those friends who have abandoned the game. Find a Friendly Championship where most of the teams are lower than you. You can win 1 green, 1 red and 3 blues from each friendly.

Squad
I have at least 22 players, enough for a first team and a reserves. The reserves contain at least 3 players that can fit into my first team to make a substitution in the match and to cover for suspensions. The reserves can be trained extra to increase your Teamplay Form. I also play a friendly every day with my reserves against an abandoned team from a lower level with tackling set to easy. You can win 1 green, 1 red and 3 blues from each friendly.

Training

Only white skills count. Train your players to train only their white skills. High White skills and low grey skills gives you a lower Average % and therefore likely to be drawn against lower % opponents.
If the average % of two opponents is similar, the higher white skills of the players is a factor in the result. Key players in key positions with high white skills will produce good performances.
Defenders physical attributes do not seem to be taken into account in the algorithm.

Fast Trainers

There are many videos on how to identify fast trainers. You need to find fast trainers for your key positions.
Every day you get 25 videos to save. Collect green resources. In a season you can easily get 600. Every 2 seasons you will have 1200. That is enough resources to power train the white skills of your new fast trainer in one of your key positions. 5 key positions means that if you replace one every 2/3 years then you will be able to produce a constant stream of highly trained players in key positions. Train them well when they are under 21 and they will last until they are 32/33.

Transfers
Never buy your recommended daily player. Although, why it should be offered at such a ridiculous price means that it should never be considered. Sometimes, one of your free players offered by the Assistant manager that only costs tokens as the sponsor is paying the cash, sometimes they are fast trainers.

Money

I used to spend money every month on this game, but now I realise that there is no need to purchase offers to enjoy the game. It is now impossible to complete special sponsor without further purchases so I only purchase the special sponsor task every 2/3 seasons. This allows me to get a premium special ability for my newest key position. It works out about £12 every 3 months, which is £1 per week. I see this as a subscription to allow me to play the game.
I never buy Boost lab or Hot Shots.
Of course, I understand and accept that there are players who can and will spend lots of money on this game. They will have bigger and stronger squads than me. But that is their choice. Without them paying all this money we probably would not have a game to play.

Tokens

Collecting tokens is necessary to purchase players in the transfer market. You may need to buy more than 10 before you find a fast trainer. Although, at level 15 and below it is possible to spot them using a table provided elsewhere on this forum. I am in a Diamond association that gets me 80 tokens a season. I also look at the Free tokens when the X2 is on. There are some you can get quite easily. Often needing to invest little more than time. Doing surveys is a good one. You can get 20 tokens for half an hour of answering questions. I have earned 400 tokens+ just by watching a movie trailer!

Time
You need to invest time in this game. I generally spend an hour each day, but some of that is watching videos to collect the green packs, which can be done while focusing on something else.
I can then spend an hour or 2 power training my fast trainer when sat at a station, on a train or in an airport.
I can do tasks to collect tokens also at that time, or when I have no player needing training.

Draw Frenzy, Kick around, Penalty shoot out and that other merge game.

I only play these for free and never spend tokens. If I am out then I am out. They cost tokens and money – always. And they are nothing to do with a football management simulation game. These are for gamblers and not game players.

I have not told you all that I have learnt, I need to keep some secrets to myself!
But following the points above has allowed to me to enjoy Top Eleven as a game that I can play as a distraction to my normal life, without it costing me more than £1 each week.

Issues
The algorithm needs changing. The tactic of 3DC-DMC-5-1, with the DC’s all at 1% should not be able to win every match. You would not expect Manchester City’s attack to win everything if they have Stockport County’s defense. This is an issue that the programmers need to change so that the defense plays a bigger part in the game engine.

[desmondli23]

Firstly, an apology. It has taken me a long time to put this together. I apologies If I have come across ignorant or rude.

Top Eleven

I am a computer engineer. I understand that this is a game programmed by an algorithm. The skill lies in trying to understand that algorithm. It is likely to not be complicated and probably never changed. Nordeus found something that worked and are unlikely to have changed it.
I have been playing this game for 4 years and have only just started to figure it out.
This game is not about winning matches but about playing matches and winning resources.
My team is at 127% and I have won an average of 1 trophy for every season that I have played the game. I have found that staying around 130% at the end of the season, with my players with high white skills gives me the most competitive draws for the next season.

Game play

My experience is different to Kris. I believe that there are 4 or 5 key positions in a squad and 4 or 5 key players. I also believe that there is a hidden player attribute of form which varies from player to player and day to day. The trick to this game lies in working out who are your key positions and players. Every squad is different. These key players seem to change every time a new player is added to your squad, but the key positions stay for the season. You need to have those key players in those key positions and hope that they are in form.
Find a formation that involves your key positions and then put your key players into those positions. You may need to adjust this every season.
Counter formations with players with high white skills can work. But you also need your key players in key positions and their form to be good.

Friends
Make lots of friends with players at least 5 levels below you. You can find them by watching who bids on players in the transfer market. Keep a watch on those friends who have abandoned the game. Find a Friendly Championship where most of the teams are lower than you. You can win 1 green, 1 red and 3 blues from each friendly.

Squad
I have at least 22 players, enough for a first team and a reserves. The reserves contain at least 3 players that can fit into my first team to make a substitution in the match and to cover for suspensions. The reserves can be trained extra to increase your Teamplay Form. I also play a friendly every day with my reserves against an abandoned team from a lower level with tackling set to easy. You can win 1 green, 1 red and 3 blues from each friendly.

Training

Only white skills count. Train your players to train only their white skills. High White skills and low grey skills gives you a lower Average % and therefore likely to be drawn against lower % opponents.
If the average % of two opponents is similar, the higher white skills of the players is a factor in the result. Key players in key positions with high white skills will produce good performances.
Defenders physical attributes do not seem to be taken into account in the algorithm.

Fast Trainers

There are many videos on how to identify fast trainers. You need to find fast trainers for your key positions.
Every day you get 25 videos to save. Collect green resources. In a season you can easily get 600. Every 2 seasons you will have 1200. That is enough resources to power train the white skills of your new fast trainer in one of your key positions. 5 key positions means that if you replace one every 2/3 years then you will be able to produce a constant stream of highly trained players in key positions. Train them well when they are under 21 and they will last until they are 32/33.

Transfers
Never buy your recommended daily player. Although, why it should be offered at such a ridiculous price means that it should never be considered. Sometimes, one of your free players offered by the Assistant manager that only costs tokens as the sponsor is paying the cash, sometimes they are fast trainers.

Money

I used to spend money every month on this game, but now I realise that there is no need to purchase offers to enjoy the game. It is now impossible to complete special sponsor without further purchases so I only purchase the special sponsor task every 2/3 seasons. This allows me to get a premium special ability for my newest key position. It works out about £12 every 3 months, which is £1 per week. I see this as a subscription to allow me to play the game.
I never buy Boost lab or Hot Shots.
Of course, I understand and accept that there are players who can and will spend lots of money on this game. They will have bigger and stronger squads than me. But that is their choice. Without them paying all this money we probably would not have a game to play.

Tokens

Collecting tokens is necessary to purchase players in the transfer market. You may need to buy more than 10 before you find a fast trainer. Although, at level 15 and below it is possible to spot them using a table provided elsewhere on this forum. I am in a Diamond association that gets me 80 tokens a season. I also look at the Free tokens when the X2 is on. There are some you can get quite easily. Often needing to invest little more than time. Doing surveys is a good one. You can get 20 tokens for half an hour of answering questions. I have earned 400 tokens+ just by watching a movie trailer!

Time
You need to invest time in this game. I generally spend an hour each day, but some of that is watching videos to collect the green packs, which can be done while focusing on something else.
I can then spend an hour or 2 power training my fast trainer when sat at a station, on a train or in an airport.
I can do tasks to collect tokens also at that time, or when I have no player needing training.

Draw Frenzy, Kick around, Penalty shoot out and that other merge game.

I only play these for free and never spend tokens. If I am out then I am out. They cost tokens and money – always. And they are nothing to do with a football management simulation game. These are for gamblers and not game players.

I have not told you all that I have learnt, I need to keep some secrets to myself!
But following the points above has allowed to me to enjoy Top Eleven as a game that I can play as a distraction to my normal life, without it costing me more than £1 each week.

Issues
The algorithm needs changing. The tactic of 3DC-DMC-5-1, with the DC’s all at 1% should not be able to win every match. You would not expect Manchester City’s attack to win everything if they have Stockport County’s defense. This is an issue that the programmers need to change so that the defense plays a bigger part in the game engine.

Staying around at 130% every season
Ahahahaha thank you
End of the discussion

[MARCO CAIA]

Firstly, an apology. It has taken me a long time to put this together. I apologies If I have come across ignorant or rude.

Top Eleven

I am a computer engineer. I understand that this is a game programmed by an algorithm. The skill lies in trying to understand that algorithm. It is likely to not be complicated and probably never changed. Nordeus found something that worked and are unlikely to have changed it.
I have been playing this game for 4 years and have only just started to figure it out.
This game is not about winning matches but about playing matches and winning resources.
My team is at 127% and I have won an average of 1 trophy for every season that I have played the game. I have found that staying around 130% at the end of the season, with my players with high white skills gives me the most competitive draws for the next season.

Game play

My experience is different to Kris. I believe that there are 4 or 5 key positions in a squad and 4 or 5 key players. I also believe that there is a hidden player attribute of form which varies from player to player and day to day. The trick to this game lies in working out who are your key positions and players. Every squad is different. These key players seem to change every time a new player is added to your squad, but the key positions stay for the season. You need to have those key players in those key positions and hope that they are in form.
Find a formation that involves your key positions and then put your key players into those positions. You may need to adjust this every season.
Counter formations with players with high white skills can work. But you also need your key players in key positions and their form to be good.

Friends
Make lots of friends with players at least 5 levels below you. You can find them by watching who bids on players in the transfer market. Keep a watch on those friends who have abandoned the game. Find a Friendly Championship where most of the teams are lower than you. You can win 1 green, 1 red and 3 blues from each friendly.

Squad
I have at least 22 players, enough for a first team and a reserves. The reserves contain at least 3 players that can fit into my first team to make a substitution in the match and to cover for suspensions. The reserves can be trained extra to increase your Teamplay Form. I also play a friendly every day with my reserves against an abandoned team from a lower level with tackling set to easy. You can win 1 green, 1 red and 3 blues from each friendly.

Training

Only white skills count. Train your players to train only their white skills. High White skills and low grey skills gives you a lower Average % and therefore likely to be drawn against lower % opponents.
If the average % of two opponents is similar, the higher white skills of the players is a factor in the result. Key players in key positions with high white skills will produce good performances.
Defenders physical attributes do not seem to be taken into account in the algorithm.

Fast Trainers

There are many videos on how to identify fast trainers. You need to find fast trainers for your key positions.
Every day you get 25 videos to save. Collect green resources. In a season you can easily get 600. Every 2 seasons you will have 1200. That is enough resources to power train the white skills of your new fast trainer in one of your key positions. 5 key positions means that if you replace one every 2/3 years then you will be able to produce a constant stream of highly trained players in key positions. Train them well when they are under 21 and they will last until they are 32/33.

Transfers
Never buy your recommended daily player. Although, why it should be offered at such a ridiculous price means that it should never be considered. Sometimes, one of your free players offered by the Assistant manager that only costs tokens as the sponsor is paying the cash, sometimes they are fast trainers.

Money

I used to spend money every month on this game, but now I realise that there is no need to purchase offers to enjoy the game. It is now impossible to complete special sponsor without further purchases so I only purchase the special sponsor task every 2/3 seasons. This allows me to get a premium special ability for my newest key position. It works out about £12 every 3 months, which is £1 per week. I see this as a subscription to allow me to play the game.
I never buy Boost lab or Hot Shots.
Of course, I understand and accept that there are players who can and will spend lots of money on this game. They will have bigger and stronger squads than me. But that is their choice. Without them paying all this money we probably would not have a game to play.

Tokens

Collecting tokens is necessary to purchase players in the transfer market. You may need to buy more than 10 before you find a fast trainer. Although, at level 15 and below it is possible to spot them using a table provided elsewhere on this forum. I am in a Diamond association that gets me 80 tokens a season. I also look at the Free tokens when the X2 is on. There are some you can get quite easily. Often needing to invest little more than time. Doing surveys is a good one. You can get 20 tokens for half an hour of answering questions. I have earned 400 tokens+ just by watching a movie trailer!

Time
You need to invest time in this game. I generally spend an hour each day, but some of that is watching videos to collect the green packs, which can be done while focusing on something else.
I can then spend an hour or 2 power training my fast trainer when sat at a station, on a train or in an airport.
I can do tasks to collect tokens also at that time, or when I have no player needing training.

Draw Frenzy, Kick around, Penalty shoot out and that other merge game.

I only play these for free and never spend tokens. If I am out then I am out. They cost tokens and money – always. And they are nothing to do with a football management simulation game. These are for gamblers and not game players.

I have not told you all that I have learnt, I need to keep some secrets to myself!
But following the points above has allowed to me to enjoy Top Eleven as a game that I can play as a distraction to my normal life, without it costing me more than £1 each week.

Issues
The algorithm needs changing. The tactic of 3DC-DMC-5-1, with the DC’s all at 1% should not be able to win every match. You would not expect Manchester City’s attack to win everything if they have Stockport County’s defense. This is an issue that the programmers need to change so that the defense plays a bigger part in the game engine.

well thank you, apology accepted, despite what you have shared and Khris said I still believe this game is not well programmed in addition as I said before it was not the lack of results that caused me to exit it's the greed and unfair practice of the company. They suck period! I am not, even by presence, whether free or not enabling them any longer to take advantage of the players. As I said I will buy a PlayStation and a football game, and I will be in charge of my outcomes in the game, whether good or bad. I will train myself, not a team that I later have to leave in the hands of bad programming to determine whether or not my efforts were sufficient or not to beat some player who decides to spend a lot of money and buy everything. Then after I scrounged and sacrificed as you even say, spent a lot of time and effort in the game and got to play a decisive match I have to succumb to them. Then It just is not fair. If they do not want to change their pernicious ways and they won't then I'm not playing this game.

There should then be two versions of the game, one completely free game without in-game purchases and one pay-to-play I would even concede paying a fee, like $ 4.99 per season to play the rest of the game completely free.. Just give ads watching resources, provide ways to get free resources and give some as rewards for good results. That's my take ion all this. Let the spending/gamblers have their leagues and competitions and have us who want to just play free and have fun have ours.

[maurizio2208]

Firstly, an apology. It has taken me a long time to put this together. I apologies If I have come across ignorant or rude.

Top Eleven

I am a computer engineer. I understand that this is a game programmed by an algorithm. The skill lies in trying to understand that algorithm. It is likely to not be complicated and probably never changed. Nordeus found something that worked and are unlikely to have changed it.
I have been playing this game for 4 years and have only just started to figure it out.
This game is not about winning matches but about playing matches and winning resources.
My team is at 127% and I have won an average of 1 trophy for every season that I have played the game. I have found that staying around 130% at the end of the season, with my players with high white skills gives me the most competitive draws for the next season.

Game play

My experience is different to Kris. I believe that there are 4 or 5 key positions in a squad and 4 or 5 key players. I also believe that there is a hidden player attribute of form which varies from player to player and day to day. The trick to this game lies in working out who are your key positions and players. Every squad is different. These key players seem to change every time a new player is added to your squad, but the key positions stay for the season. You need to have those key players in those key positions and hope that they are in form.
Find a formation that involves your key positions and then put your key players into those positions. You may need to adjust this every season.
Counter formations with players with high white skills can work. But you also need your key players in key positions and their form to be good.

Friends
Make lots of friends with players at least 5 levels below you. You can find them by watching who bids on players in the transfer market. Keep a watch on those friends who have abandoned the game. Find a Friendly Championship where most of the teams are lower than you. You can win 1 green, 1 red and 3 blues from each friendly.

Squad
I have at least 22 players, enough for a first team and a reserves. The reserves contain at least 3 players that can fit into my first team to make a substitution in the match and to cover for suspensions. The reserves can be trained extra to increase your Teamplay Form. I also play a friendly every day with my reserves against an abandoned team from a lower level with tackling set to easy. You can win 1 green, 1 red and 3 blues from each friendly.

Training

Only white skills count. Train your players to train only their white skills. High White skills and low grey skills gives you a lower Average % and therefore likely to be drawn against lower % opponents.
If the average % of two opponents is similar, the higher white skills of the players is a factor in the result. Key players in key positions with high white skills will produce good performances.
Defenders physical attributes do not seem to be taken into account in the algorithm.

Fast Trainers

There are many videos on how to identify fast trainers. You need to find fast trainers for your key positions.
Every day you get 25 videos to save. Collect green resources. In a season you can easily get 600. Every 2 seasons you will have 1200. That is enough resources to power train the white skills of your new fast trainer in one of your key positions. 5 key positions means that if you replace one every 2/3 years then you will be able to produce a constant stream of highly trained players in key positions. Train them well when they are under 21 and they will last until they are 32/33.

Transfers
Never buy your recommended daily player. Although, why it should be offered at such a ridiculous price means that it should never be considered. Sometimes, one of your free players offered by the Assistant manager that only costs tokens as the sponsor is paying the cash, sometimes they are fast trainers.

Money

I used to spend money every month on this game, but now I realise that there is no need to purchase offers to enjoy the game. It is now impossible to complete special sponsor without further purchases so I only purchase the special sponsor task every 2/3 seasons. This allows me to get a premium special ability for my newest key position. It works out about £12 every 3 months, which is £1 per week. I see this as a subscription to allow me to play the game.
I never buy Boost lab or Hot Shots.
Of course, I understand and accept that there are players who can and will spend lots of money on this game. They will have bigger and stronger squads than me. But that is their choice. Without them paying all this money we probably would not have a game to play.

Tokens

Collecting tokens is necessary to purchase players in the transfer market. You may need to buy more than 10 before you find a fast trainer. Although, at level 15 and below it is possible to spot them using a table provided elsewhere on this forum. I am in a Diamond association that gets me 80 tokens a season. I also look at the Free tokens when the X2 is on. There are some you can get quite easily. Often needing to invest little more than time. Doing surveys is a good one. You can get 20 tokens for half an hour of answering questions. I have earned 400 tokens+ just by watching a movie trailer!

Time
You need to invest time in this game. I generally spend an hour each day, but some of that is watching videos to collect the green packs, which can be done while focusing on something else.
I can then spend an hour or 2 power training my fast trainer when sat at a station, on a train or in an airport.
I can do tasks to collect tokens also at that time, or when I have no player needing training.

Draw Frenzy, Kick around, Penalty shoot out and that other merge game.

I only play these for free and never spend tokens. If I am out then I am out. They cost tokens and money – always. And they are nothing to do with a football management simulation game. These are for gamblers and not game players.

I have not told you all that I have learnt, I need to keep some secrets to myself!
But following the points above has allowed to me to enjoy Top Eleven as a game that I can play as a distraction to my normal life, without it costing me more than £1 each week.

Issues
The algorithm needs changing. The tactic of 3DC-DMC-5-1, with the DC’s all at 1% should not be able to win every match. You would not expect Manchester City’s attack to win everything if they have Stockport County’s defense. This is an issue that the programmers need to change so that the defense plays a bigger part in the game engine.

I've just played the first match of my cup semi final this morning against a similar team (3DC-DMC-5-1, with the DC’s all at 1% and each other player 200%+).
Of course I lost 7 - 3 but I'm happy... I scored 3 goals much more then it was done by any other opponent of this team.

The real problem is not win or loose but to know at the first day of the month who will win the competition. Where is the challenge.
I said many time, it's not enough consider only the initial average % value of top 14 players in the draw. Please take in account the max % value of the previous season or the max % of single player.

Again on draw. Also this month teams from 70% to 120%, to be more precise 5 teams around 120% and the other 9 teams, abandoned under 100%. The result is most of the matches end 8 - 0 or more. Only 4 / 5 interesting matches during the full league. Again where is the challenge?
I don't like winning 8-0 as I don't like facing a 3DC-DMC-5-1 200% team