Road to Success - How to Win the Cup

[nikolgiorgos]

@ nik
I don't know...

yea, me either
I didn't watch my 2nd leg (oppo manager was there again), I used the same formation and orders (with that I begun the 1st game and later change to 4-2-2-2 hex).
The only different thing was that I gave the 1st (cheap) victory bonus.
Seems that my players prefer than than me watching the game - LOL

[gizzmo]

@ BeckStar:

Tokens aren't that problem - this season I have 64T. Yesterday I bought two nordgens for 1T each. The Problem is... I don't wanna manipulate Cup/CL... I really like my squad, my players. I don't play to win over all... I play for fun, for challenge,... it's just the stupid cupdraw. Why has a manager, who trains his team, keep the players,... that kind of disadvantage?
There are so many good ideas, how it can work: Three managerlevels together: 1-3, 4-6,... so every third season, there's a realistic chance to win the cup.

And the comment of Moi is bullsh*t: I played manager 2 cup 5, manager3 cup6, manager4 cup8 -> so why I'm another cuplevel higher? Where are the teams before?
My wife had/has pretty equal squad like mine (played last two CL-Finals against each other), so why she was last season (manager4) cup6, this season cup8?

Btw. I'm manager5, played cup9: I checked all squads: this season I was only manager5, than there was manager7, highest was 12 (was shown with 9*) - so I knew, this season, this would be the hardest cup, I've ever played. And I don't have any troubles to lose - only like the BS of this day made my angry, annoyed,..., because my squad played much better!!!

F.E.: last season finals: It was so close... it was okay, if I had lost...
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So, let's focus on League/CL.


@ nik
I don't know...

You have every right not to bow to the known method to win the cup but then, you cannot complain. Cup is the only competition for which a method has been benchmarked and validated that may not give you 100% of chances of success but at least, can raise your level of hope dramatically. This is not the case in CL or even in league. In CL, season after season, I face complete jeopardy with either monsters or crap teams just picked randomly. I won the cup last season and this new one looks damn good with a bunch of very poor teams in my table. But sure, I had to get rid of players I liked a lot. But in the end, I prefer this trophy to any of my players.

[motrin]

Have they changed the way overall team quality is calculated? Could hanging on to 1* players be an obsolete strategy?

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[nikolgiorgos]

I asked how the quality of the teams is calculated but didn't get any answers and I suppose we 'll not have any official answer.
Remember that before 1-2 months, we had the first official announcement for the Cup draw quality (after 5 years)
I suppose that it must be something like best 11.
Don't know but I don't think it's working like setting the 11 more weak players in the squad

[motrin]

If I do subs, it does change. When I get a chance, I'll look into it more

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[nikolgiorgos]

If I do subs, it does change. When I get a chance, I'll look into it more

yes, I noticed that and we discussed it yesterday with Beckstar (we 're in the same asc. so we 're interesting about it -lol) but it's not the q for the draw, it's just the visual- temporary (I believe).

[ingineru]

As far as i see it, manipulating the team that way is taking advantage of a bug. And yes, i consider it a bug but since nordeus does not care....Problem is that same **** happens also in the Asociations, have a look at the leaderboard, they are all doing this "cheating".

[nikolgiorgos]

Here #142
http://forum.topeleven.com/team-show...greece-15.html
I explain to @ingineru my point of view.
and yes, the Cup draw continue that way
Last season I played the final vs Bjorn from Sweden


and this season the draw lead him again on my way ( I wonder what is he thinking - LOOOL )


He has a very good team - as he is 3 lvs down, those players are 5-6-7*, all with special abilities.
But he doesn't understand probably how this system is working and that's the advantage for us the forum members.


* and btw, if it wasn't me, (who 's gonna win the Cup), it's not that a 5* team would win it, but just the wealthy and stronger team of this level with players like above.

[Al Svanberg]

Great stuff Niko!

[nash123]

Nik, it okay, you "use" how the system works... but for real: Do you really think, you are the pro, who distroy this guy, which maybe gives his best?
Do you need, to show, that he hadn't a chance? At another thread you talk(ed) about honor... That isn't also honorable.
I think, this cupwins mean nothing. Maybe... I'll never win the cup again, but I want a cup in my trophyroom, which shows, that my team manages to win against everyone, who comes. No matter, if they are stronger/weaker.

And yes... for sure I hate that cupdraw.