I do not think they come with two positions with a lower level Academy. I think I've received 6 kids and they only had 1 position so far. But from the looks of it, the tokens kids I got has been fast trainers.
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The MR Youth-Academy kid I got that I turned into a wing-back with the Shadow-Striker Ability made his real debut today, scored two goals on long-shots and the Shadow-Striker symbol showed both times! Haha I was as happy as a kid on Christmas when I saw that lol. Overall I am starting to see these signs more and more, I think a problem is that on my iPhone (on which I watch most games on), the blinking goal sign covers a big part of the field and if the SS or PM sign show after I scored a goal its often covered by the sign.
i just bought two new young 18yo players, one of them is getting training points very fast, the other one really slow...too bad there is no hint for the manager on who is a slow or fast trainer
There is, you can find a guide here: http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...ainers-18.html #172. Niko goes through a detailed description in finding possible fast trainers on the transfer market.
Guys- My transfer-market was different today. Is it because I got to lvl 5 from 4, or something from the update? Anyone else experienced this?
I was up 5am and my brain didn't function, so I didn't dump any screen-shots. But, what was different for me was that I had a complete spread of value in one age group. Like 18 y/o's between 97-99% cost 11.5m, 11,3m, 11.0, 10.5m, 10m, 9.5m, 9m and so on all the way down to 6-7m, indicating that there was a very big spread in the TEF. This has not been the case for me before, sure there has been a spread in cost before, but then it has to a large extent been based on the ability of the players.
Anyone else noticed this?
You got a treble last season I need assistance
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edit: nvm
ok then
p64 Lv 27-28
At lv27 I found nordgen with 111 M (at the first list it was 110)
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and at Lv28 112M (it was 111) so I adjust the prices
http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...ainers-18.html
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* Last season I made a test, some measure (I don't post it) about fast trainers with the same Value (111 M) but a little different Wages.
I can confirm that in those levels where the prices are about the same, there isn't any connection of the lowest wage with the gaining ability.
p65 Lv28
Old vs New
Ronaldo , the star and 1st scorer in history so far, needs 3 training of 3 bars/practice match , to gain 1 sp
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Perales, the new (112 M) ST gets X3 or X4 Ronaldo's gaining :p
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time to think :o
Hi nikolgiorgos,
Not sure of this thread is active anymore?
I Have read your topic (feels like a million times) and now im finally able to understand (i think and hope).
I think the guy i just found is a 1 class nordgen for my lvl (2) right?
Value : 4 mill - wage 50k and age 18.
Position DL and DC
hi
yes of course it's active.
It's just that issue for me that the players I 'm finding for my level, almost all have the same values & wages.
So you found a fast trainer/nordgen (?)
then you can go in the old version, set 3 bars/practice match and make 3-5 training.
If he gets about +100 gaining avg, he is a fast trainer.
The same in new version.
Give him drills of about 15-18 condition loss.
if he s getting (avg) + 4 skills every time (or +20 drills in 4-5 training), he is fast trainer.
* edit, yes in lv2 4M is a high Value so he must be a fast trainer.
Im lvl 2 (two) and havent seen players more expensive than 4 mill. - yet.
In the old version he does 180 on max training. New version i get error when i only train one - (need to be 8 players?) or can i pick some workouts with only one player?
You can train a player individualy and you should do exactly so. This error thing is not an error, you just don't receive bonuses (to attack, defence, posession and condition), but your guy is gaining skills as supposed anyway.
It is better to separate bonus trainings (when you need a group of players) and personal power-training of a FT.
yes, if he can get +180, for sure he is a fast trainer.
In new version, as Toxcatl saying, one player doesn't give team bonus or sometimes not increasing the level of your training (this circle in the upper right corner) but you can power-train your player individually (and read his guide).
Also to add, if you want to give extra position or ability, do it now as priority, before increasing the quality.
Thx for answering and for the new training guide. Im gonna take a look at it so i can fix my training schedule in the new system.
Keep up the good work.
Nik question plz:
As I know (by reading your guide) FT factor for lvl 7 manager is 35 n lvl 5 manager is 51. Now a player value 10M wage 210K, in this case, factor comes 47.6 which is good for lvl 7 manager but is that also good for lvl 5 manager?
Yesterday I bought this player for my AC team but when I look this player on market (before buy for AC team) using my lvl 5 main team price show same, as factor make me confuse so I bought for lvl7 AC not for main. Higher factor is better than lower, but 2 or 3 points differ make any difference or not plz?
Thanks
if the player is near the highest values of every level and he came from a bot team, then he is 99% fast trainer.
If he is from another team, then the higher the factor, the more chances to be a fast trainer.
Many times, it's just the difference of a 1st class and a 2nd class fast trainer.
The 1st class can do a 120-135 (and a 100% avg), a 2nd class a 80-85% avg.
That means you must use about 20% more greens for every progress (q or extra pos./sa )
* We 're talking about gaining in 3 bars/practice in the old version.
a 100 of gaining is 1 sp or +4 skills in new version.
Also about 5* players, near 90 q.
Strange very strange :(
I bought a mc for my lvl 7 club, I m 100% sure when I bought him factor was over 35 (unless I won't bother to bid), now his wages goes up and factor goes down, I don't even train him :(
my friend, you missed some chapters (specially those I mentioned in my first edit post).
The Value and the wage are useful only in the beginning, when we try to find hints about the f.t.
After we 're starting the training (or power training), those don't count any more (and not affect in the future).
Just forget them.
I read all :)
May be what I'm trying to say I didn't explain it well; like when I bid the player factor shows me over 35, soon I win the bid and player join in my club his wages now shows different then the bidding time, which make his factor down, and I didn't train him at all, without training or gaining skill his wages gone up, that's strange for me.
Hi Niko,
I got a 2nd class trainer this time. Should i just sell him right away or are they still worth having (just to stregthen the team)?
Well, it's not s simple to answer because it's a matter of strategy plus different conditions for each manager
Some factors for example
- What lv are you (in higher levels it's more difficult to find young 5* trainers)
- Is it easy for you to find fast trainers ? (in some servers is common, in others it's more rare)
- Do you have extra sources (greens to spend or token to buy another player), how much and how easily you can regenerate them
- What position has this player (a DC-MC-ST are easy to find, DC-DR, DC-DL,DC-DMC not so, AML-ML, AMR-MR are rare)
- Does he have any sa ?
- How is the roster of your team right now ? Do you miss that position or you thinking of it as investment for the future ?
- Did you use him in some games ? How did he play ?
That's very important.
Till then, if he is near 6*, add a sa or role to him so not get there and you cannot sell him in tm
Yeah, rating is a bitch. It is better to have 2nd class FT who gets 8-9 in every game than 1st class dude who gets 6-7.
So don't sell him just now, see how he plays.
p66 LV 29
Nordgen vs Recommended vs Academy player
This season I got 3 kinds of young players for my teams
I bought a nordgen (renamed later Ronaldinho).
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A classic fast trainer, gaining a +100 avg in 3 bars/practice match , with some +125 max.
I also gave him an extra position , useful for coaching during a match. He already had a s.a. but I don’t use him as a F-K specialist because I have my first scorer (ever) of the team, Ronaldo, doing this job with great success.
His performances are great, actually he started winning the MoM title in his 1st game and still playing very good.
He still has some good gaining of +70 in training.
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So far, what I spent is 1T and (about) 100 greens. Probably gonna be a member of the team for the next 3 at least seasons.
I also bought for NIK, this academy player, Lygos.
I gave 14T which is the higher token price for youngsters (the early 5* players).
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Before the latest update, the most expensive youngsters (21-24 T) , were the faster ones .
Unfortunately he is a 2nd class fast trainer. With this quality (he is more a 4* player than 5*) must get some +140 to +160. Another 4* youngster I bought, could get sometimes a +165 .
After a very good debute, I gave him one to one sa.
So far, I spent 14 T and (about) 100 greens. I don’t count on him for the next season as he ‘s gonna be 4* player and I ‘ll need some good amount (of 100 greens) to have him in a near 5* player, capable to participate in some more easy games.
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For sure he has some talent but I cannot rely to him as 4* player vs some good teams/ critical games.
Very possible to sell him.
Recommended from the assistant
This is Adams (from my other team, ManU).
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In his first training, he had some descent numbers (considering that he is a 6*).
He had useful positions for my team, so I spent 34 tokens to buy him (and using about 30 greens so far).
Good performances in the games – I don’t use him as a C-K.
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Next season, probably I ‘ll keep him as a 5* for my bench.
If he was 19 y.o., I would invest to him some extra greens.
I think it’s obvious who is the winner.
Of course you can’t find good nordgens every day.
Wow, Nik: how on earth did you get a 18 years old player with SA on first round ?
if you went to round 40 for the previous nordgen, nobody dares to bid against you
LOOOOOL
* joking but it happened to me ones.
I spent 35 tokens for a nordgen and I bought 4 more at the same time , with 1 token :p
I guess I was lucky (and the time was "quite" )
How can I know/see if the transfer market is "updated" and nordgen's are added?
try every day, after the server maintenance (round 04.00- 05.00 GMT)
add a notice here that might explain the question of gizzmo
When I see for 1st time the list, I spot the players I want and place a bid even if it needs 2 hours for the rounds.
If there is a sever breakdown (for some sec/min) or if you log out/ in again, this list may disappear.
There are only the common players from other real teams who are selling.
Even if reload, you wont be able to see that again (most of the times).
So maybe in that case something like this happened so my rivals (managers) who waiting for the last min. to bid, "lost" this list.
well, it's about the same.
I 'm talking from my personal experience.
04.00 it's 06.00 local time (for Greece) so as I wake up at 6.15 - 06.30 for work, I take a look at tm.
In 03.00 GMT, there is a nordgen who's auction is ending after 2-2.30 hours and I find the same nordgen who's auction is finishing after 1-1.30 hour.
I would like to know the time in Estonia:D
True, I'm adding one more point (for new version) :)
Sometimes (when I'm in short token) I don't do first bid to hold the player as it is long wait like 2 +/- hrs; I just click "add favourites" which is on the top upper left corner of the player picture and its hold the player even if I logout or refreshing the browser. Even one time I was bidding a ST, after 2/3 round I let the guy win (step back) and I forgot to clear favourite button, player still showed in nego. market until I clear.
If i find 5 star nordgens ind the end og the season i dont buy them. Is that stupid? They are just gonna lose a star when i promote and then i have to use more time on them?
^^^
That is what most played well tell you, not worth it.
However, at least in my case, the nordgen players are uncommon, only a few each season. I also have excess cash, so a 20% value drop is insignificant. Personally, I've been willing to take a player late season if he's got the right position and skill balance.
Losing a star is not the biggest problem -- aging is. That's why I never buy players in the second half of the season.
yes, both is the problem.
of course as I said few posts above, there are other things to decide too.
If you have a good stock of greens or if if are at lv40 or above where the nordgens are rare, yea, why not.
Also if you find a DC-DR with "aerial" or an AM with "sudden striker" also yes.
That saves you from some 50 greens ;)
I'm sorry, but I suppose that is already answered in this thread, but 40 pages...
Is there some guide of how to fast train just one player?
yes, check Toxcatl signature.
There is a link there.