Also may I ask how do you use green packs and if you do how many daily?
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Also may I ask how do you use green packs and if you do how many daily?
it depending from the stars/quality of the player. As you can see, there is a range in trainings but if you have a 5* player with an avg +100 in 3 bars/practice he is fast trainer. If he has +80, he is a descent trainer - means that if he is playing good, it's worthy to spend greens to improve his quality and keep him for many seasons.Quote:
What is the average Gain for each training and for 2 bars and 3 bars ? Because i want to know if my players are fast trainers
Check this thread also, it's from a friend of the forum and it gives the numbers more analytic
http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...culations.html
I don't train in 2 bars, only if I have to synchronize the condition of my players for a match I have to give in few hours.
I don't understand what you ask ...Quote:
Also may I ask how do you use green packs
I don't do the training with the same frequency every day. The first days of the season I do more, the late days less. Also in weekends more because I have more free time. I can say that I use about :rolleyes: 300-400 greens every season ?Quote:
how many daily?
About 100 from the game and the rest farming/buying .
There is no limit on spending greens. Few seasons ago I used to spend over 100 packs per day and managed to get few 7* in short time. Problem isn't how many packs are you going to spend, probel is that you can't knonw if your player will be in good form or not. Unless you don't have super strong subs, how to substitute/replace 7-9* player which isn't in form? Would you sell that player (who costed you at least 100 packs)? I hope I've managed to explain it...
Is that 100% from all 3 ?
it's +100 avg for practice. Meaning : when you buy a fast trainer, you give him few trainings (3 bars/practice).Quote:
Is that 100% from all 3 ?
If the first or the second are below 100, like a +80, +85 don't get disappointed. Give 5-6 trainings and if you see
+85, +100, +95, +120, +115, + 90, + 125 ,then it's ok.
Hey, hi t11_fan, happy to see you again :)
Well, you 're absolutely right. This thing it's very frustrated.
Here we have two cases.
If you buy a fast trainer, try to test him in 4-5 games to see his performance. If he starts he 5-6-4-5-6 sell him.
(I know, too bad :()
It's a bad program or it doesn't fit in your team and the chances that he 'll perform better with raising his quality, are very few.
If a fast trainer was playing good but have a bad form for few games then there is a hope.
All above it's from personal experience and style of playing and always there are exceptions.
Also, every season is not the same for training but farming too.
The season at Christmas period I 've done a good farming. About 150 T and over 500 boosters.
I also bought a good offer from Nordeus, with many T and boosters, with the half price.
That was good because after Christmas, the period was very dry of farming.:p
If only some other scouts had form like him. :rolleyes:
http://forum.topeleven.com/attachmen...de-johnson.jpg
just a quick question! Every time if i see a brutally expensive player on transfer list i dont dare to bid to him because im afraid of he is prolly not fast trainer... so my question is: very expensive players are mandatory fast trainers or not?
Don't be afraid. 90% he is a fast trainer (age 18-21 y.o.) . If you want, you can sell him easily later, but he must have quality Q3/4 or Q8/9 .
in your post you talk about how winning a cup requires a specific method to win it. I am interested to find out more about that because that is a competition I won only once in second season of playing when I also won my only triple crown.
If you are reffering to a trick experienced managers use by having 3-4 players with one star in their squad I am familiar with that. If not, feel free to share your experience... :-)
yes, I 'm talking about this.Quote:
If you are reffering to a trick experienced managers use by having 3-4 players with one star in their squad I am familiar with that. If not, feel free to share your experience... :-)
I started wondering here
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...-cup-draw.html
and I got it here
http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...xt-season.html
Nikolgiorgos may i ask why Q3/4 or Q8/9 ?
Because quality is better to be measured by the numbers, not the stars.
A newbie in the game, in the fist 1-2 seasons, doesn't understand the difference. He just looking at the stars 3-4-5, so, a 3* player with q 14, it's about the same with a 4* player with q 15 but managers are buying those 4* players.
After some seasons, the managers prefer to buy only players with q3/4 or q 8/9 because they understand that those players are closer to the next star. A player with 3*, q 10 with a 4* player, q19, have almost 2 stars difference, not 1.
Few more tips about that :
- The gaining of a player is dropping gradually when his is increasing his q. A 5* player with quality 39, is closer to a 6* player, q40 than a 5* player, q35
- When you checking an oppo, don't look only the stars but the quality of the players too. Just pass the mouse cursor over the stars and it shows you the quality (in pc version)
- Its easier to sell a player q9 or q4 and it may cause a small bidding war, so if you have a player lIke him and have some extra sp, count them before give them to him (he 'll be q0 or q5). Better waste them. Those are the most difficult to sell, players.
What about him I just bought him but he is a slow trainer but I want to keep him because of his Attacking attributes Attachment 43051
Do you why he is a slow trainer ??
A 18 y.o. player is a new player in the game. So, where did he come from ?
A. He is an academy player, from a team above you. If he is a 0T academy player,then that's why he is a slow trainer.
After you bought him, you can check (in news letter) info about his previous team.
B. If info is unavailable, means he is a nordgen ( a player from a bot team/ a non existing team).
Nordgens are the faster trainers - if they are the most expensive. The problem in higher levels like yours is that we can't see the difference in prices, like we can see it in lower levels.
If he is a 1st class nordgen, must hit a +100 in 3 bars practice. If he is 2nd class, maybe a +70, +80. (read previous posts).
In that case, I keep the player and test him in the games. If he is performing good, I keep him with the idea that I 'll spend some more green to keep him in high quality for some years. The same for a 3rd class nordgen.
C. A player A. or B. whom some other team bought him and train him or use him. He wasn't satisfied from the results and sold him.
So, what was the info from the previous team ?
What was the results of training ?
It was a lvl 31 player.. so that means its a 0T academy ?
Just bought another striker 154 but also a slow trainer;/ 1 is 15/39/47 and the other 17/31/50 from 3 bar
Yes, that's why I writed in the resume
http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...-chris-18.html
some hints for higher lv players, how to detect the fast trainers.
This is from my last training today
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Kolovos, is a 0T academy player, 2*, who has worst gaining than my 24-25 y.o. fast trainers.
* it's very important to learn to recognize the bot names !
So should I sell them both or see how they perform ?
Of course you must test them. Performing is the most important. Every manager of course has his one way playing, his target and goals.
In my case, knowing that those players aren't fast trainers, I would be very demanding. Meaning that I would expect not only good rates but some goals as well. Because that's the job of a striker :cool:
Let me sow you my STs
My main ST, NEYMAR, a fast trainer I bought 6-7 seasons ago (and gave him sa one-to-one). What can I say for him. Just saving greens to make him last as he can :D
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My second ST, ADEMIR. A fast trainer I bought this season and also gave him one-to-one sa. He looks promising, having good stats as goals also.
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BEBETO, a second class nordgen, not so fast. He had good rates but he doesn't scores much. I have him as a replacement of NEYMAR in easy games. I 'm gonna sell him by the end of the season.
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ZARDEL, same case (an ex- scout list player). Good rates but not enough goals. Same as BEBETO, a sub. Gonna sell him too in the end of the season.
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So, it depends from your target, strategy and what else you have at that time.
So test them , train them but don't give them sp and make them 6* players so you can sell them easy if you want later.
* test them in official games. Friendly games don't give you reliable conclusions.
**Don't take it for granted.Quote:
... I want to keep him because of his Attacking attributes
As you can see, I prefer to give skill points to my ST, mostly to attack and M&P ,but this doesn't make every ST better.
ADEMIR for example has more balanced skills than ZARDEL or BEBETO but he is a better scorer.
You said not to give them SP why ??
If your ST doesn't perform good and you want to sell him, if you 'll give him some earned sp, he 'll become q155 and 6*.Quote:
- Its easier to sell a player q9 or q4 and it may cause a small bidding war, so if you have a player lIke him and have some extra sp, count them before give them to him (he 'll be q0 or q5). Better waste them. Those are the most difficult to sell, players.
Then it's hard to sell him. So you must count how many sp he needs to be q155.
Oh okay thanks a lot :)
Lv11 p43 "In the middle of the season"
I usually don't buy fast trainers in the middle of the season, but now I 'm in a difficult situation.
I sold one MC, fast trainer, in the beginning of the season because he was playing badly, I had two, but now, beside that I 'm in 16 of CH.L., I have also past in 8, in the Cup. This was good but unexpected, so I have not enough MC for back up.
So today, I was lucky and found a fast trainer - Singer.
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I bought with 1T :) and start the training. He is good as I expected - about 1 sp earning in 3 bars, practice.
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He looks good performer too. He got two 7s today, in a league and a Cup game.
The problem with MCs is that it's difficult to find good performers.
Another thing is that I don't know if and what special ability I could give him. I have in my team players for free-kicks and corners and I didn't find any other useful sa for MCs.
Anyway, I 'll wait for few more games and I will not change (at the moment) his name to a Brazilian as I do with players I 'm keeping for some seasons.
He is gonna keep his name - but is Sam Singer a Scottish name ?
Singer will have come to Scotland from England where there were more names derived from occupations.
Trains well. Will be good if he can keep up around 90 when 6*. :D
Don't give him an SA since, like you said, you've got long term CK and FK takers; only other option is Playmaker to raise his Yellow Card stats.
PS. I broke my recent habit of 1 Season Wonder MCs when 2 youngsters screamed "buy me" and I did. And in usual T11 fashion the leftie prefers the right and the rightie prefers the left >.< (Actually the rightie likes the right too but I'm not one to let the facts get in the way of making a point).
If I get a decent run of booster vids I'll add some 7* numbers/screenies before the Season ends.
Nice guide topic, thanks u.
LV11 p44 Fast trainers and marketing analysis
Well, the last one is an interesting case to make a marketing analysis.
What’s the case ?
I bought a MC, a fast trainer. MC is the most difficult position for a player to perform good. My MC has a very high value for this lv, has no special ability and if he will be good player I ‘m gonna keep him for some seasons or else I must sell him before the ending because I want to go with a lesser quality in the next lv (Cup reasons).
Let’s swim in some deep water.
I‘m gonna use two tools of marketing.
Marketing mix - the 4 p
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Product :
- I have a MC, with only one position (as all the MCs have when starting), young, 18 y.o., with high value.
-If this player is still 5* (but with Q9), managers from my lv also can buy him. If he‘s gonna be 6* (but probably with low Q) , only managers from lv above can buy him so he won’t be so attractive.
-In the next games, this player will have bad/medium or good rates.
Place :
-Transfer Market, is the one but in that case also important is the time. Now, we ‘re after the middle of the season, so managers are less willing to spend a lot of money for a player or fast trainer, unlike the beginning of the season.
-Negotiation list is another place for selling and that means I must stop giving him sp if he reach 1 sp from the 6*.
To tell you the truth, I ‘m little disappointed from nego list so far. A had in nego list good players, with sa too, but I didn’t had many good offers except from one case I got 10T :)
Promotion :
-Things to do about promotion is to give my MC a special ability, which is very attractive in TM or an extra position like DMC/AMC. But of course this needs extra sp and greens too :p
-Also, if I want to sell him, maybe I could do a big discount in his price but the question is if the managers who are watching the TM gonna recognize this big discount :rolleyes:
-Another thing for promotion is to rename this player (with 1T) and make him Iniesta or Ozil :o but I don’t know if this thing working in lv11.
Another marketing tool is the SWOT analysis. SWOT meaning Strong, Weak points, Opportunities, Threats.
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Let’s examine them :
Strong points :
-He is a young 5* player
-he is fast trainer
-maybe he ‘ll have good stats.
Weak points :
-He costs a lot of money for this level
-he has no sa
-it’s not the beginning of the season where you can sell anyone
-maybe he ‘ll have medium or bad rates after some games
Opportunities :
-To give him sp, -1 from the next star so I can put him in negotiation list and maybe get some T too :p
-he can gather easily sp from training so I could give him a special ability
-being attractive for some manager who wants him for a next knock out game in the Cup or CH.L.
-for a manager who’s gonna stay in the same lv this season
Threats :
-This last category of managers usually doesn’t have a lot of money
-Many managers cannot recognize that expensive players are the fast trainers
-Managers who know that expensive players are fast trainers, maybe thinking that he is an academy player and not a nordgen because they don’t know his performance in training and don’t know what lv I am .
So, after all above, my tactic is to test him how he ‘ll perform in games, not to give him sp to reach the 6* and if I want to sell him the last days, give him a special ability like F-K specialist or Corner specialist (which needs 40 sp) to make him more attractive for his price * after trying to sell him few times.
My MC have wage 4K and 9,3M value, so his TR factor is 2325. Is he a fast trainer?
http://i.imgur.com/VWaTPg2.png
http://i.imgur.com/uHZBnjt.png
http://i.imgur.com/9hjOHIz.png
With 40% of condition he get 4 skill points.
I know that my guide is too big but if someone want to go deeper in this subject, must read them all :o
You can keep notes if you want - you know, make some .doc of your own and copy/paste there.
So, somewhere there :p, I write that only the first values of the player when he comes in the market/game/academy, counts.
If you add sp, the Value increasing while wage not. Then we have a different factor that it's not the original anymore.
In another post I write that there are some players in the market, that they have a "fake" wage because of a bug of the game.
So, we have another "wrong" factor.
If I remember well, when I gave the sp to my player and refresh, the real wage appeared.
You were right, after i added those skills, his wage was increased.
http://i.imgur.com/5QGU5sW.png
This is a refference to post #228
Trying to sell a player.
I had a player (my second team) who had bad rates. I decided to sell him, so after 4-5 atemps, finally I sold him setting the price with the bigger discount - it was near the end of the last season.
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Too bad, he was fast trainer but, you know, MC is difficult position :p
LV12 p45 "Next (nord)gen"
Being this season in lv12, I had to sell in previous lv, many players ex-nordgens & fast trainers and renew my team.
Well, that's the circle of life.
So, woke up early Sunday morning and start shoping :o
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There were nordgen but not the quality I wanted. Not many with the top prices, some of them older than 18 y.o., some defenders with only one position. But I had to play in a Cup game after 2-3 hours so I was in a hurry to fill my team.
here are the first 8
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I confirmed that they were original nordgens
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and started the taining (after my Cup game).
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Ok, not bad, so let's see how they will perform in the field :rolleyes:
This and last season are missed for me for 3 days I look after server update and not single real fast trainer I ended up replacing a lot of players every season and my 200+ tokens down to 80/90
Four teams 2 level 11 one level 10 one level 7
for two seasons :confused: I think we have the same GMT time (+2). Did you check early in the morning (06.00 - 07.00) ?Quote:
This and last season are missed for me for 3 days I look after server update and not single real fast trainer
Also found some more at Sunday, but didn't buy
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LV12 p46 "Buying from mobile"
Tuesday morning, the 3rd day of the season, I bought this player from my mobile (I didn't have access to pc at that time).
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I saw that he had a very high price, not wearing a premium jersey, he was young and played in positions I wanted so I bid twice and won.
I wasn't sure if he was a nordgen because I couldn't see the name of his team (which is a very important hint) as if he had any previous stats. In that case I wouldn't spend T in a bidding war.
Later I saw that his previous team wasn't a bot team (it was lv13 Romanian team), so I tried him in training.
With results like this, he couldn't be a 0T academy player which I was afraid.
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Probably a nordgen in his second season, that the other manager sold him.
So, after I test him in some games and he was performing good, I changed his name (to a Brazilian player, what else :D) and set him as my basic DL
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So, sometimes you can find fast trainers also from other teams, just be sure not to spend much Tokens to buy them.
Based on Age, some people sign Token Academy to convert to cash so he also could've been an Academy signing on Day1 - they are 19yo unless its been changed. ;) However, he's quite a bit short from top value so if he was the seller would've been disappointed.
PS I bought an Academy/NordGem resale GK from Market - he was 92Q but now 94Q and MV = 96.9m. Thank goodness he put it on late evening = 1T >.<
nikol you are so lucky with them players... I found none this season ;c
not very possible. He is (was) Turk, while his team is Romanian.Quote:
he also could've been an Academy
Can't imagine why to make money from Tokens in that way.
In our levels, with those (at least) 12T, I can win more from free agents and it's easy to sell them.
At higher levels this is more difficult but there, as I can read, most of the managers trying to sell their players through negotiations.
A young player could be very attractive for some T offers - he is 5sp from the 6*.
hey Kumek, from which country you are ? Are you checking the right time ?Quote:
.. I found none this season
Im in UK :) What exact time should it be?