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Usually 04-05.30 :(
But only on Sunday, the first day it's almost a guarantee
and remember to refresh the page
After I posted I remembered that they did fix the Day1 age thing for academy output.....I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
Some ppl only log in once or twice and don't even think of FAs or have the time to scan for them. Not everyone has the same attitutude or time. But thats OT. :(
Man that early in the morning I am asleep ;c
How do I know if ive got fast training players? Im a newbie on this game.
Well, there are 25 pages and 243 posts to read about :p
But if you are in lv1, fast trainers isn't your first priority.
You must be more familiar with the game, how it's working and go deeper in formation and tactics and read some other threads in Tutorials and Guides.
If you want to make a question more specific, feel free, using more details and pictures
-see this http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...ges-forum.html
Hey nikol I have a question there a keeper on the market max quality and 18 years of age with club name Immortal FC but i see him on the market whole day is it a norgen player? because i dont think norgen will relist their players ;o
yes, you're right kumek. A nordgen doesn't reappears in the list.
As a matter of fact, it's more possible to "loose" a nordgen.
In my first levels, I spot some nordgen whose auctions ended after 1-1.30 hour. When I log out and log in again (after 1/2 hour), they weren't on the list anymore. So, after that, when I see a nordgen I 'm interesting for, I "mark" him - not bidding on him but put him in my favorite list. After that, if I log out/in, he is still there.
Also if refresh the list, every 15-30 min, it's possible to see some new nordgen.
But in your case, if no one is bidding on that player, you could buy him for 1 T and test him. If he is an academy player from a team named Immortal and he is slow trainer (which is more possible) you can sell him asap
- but it's not worthy to go on a bidding war for that player.
Okay thanks for the response :)
Nik, I did some 7* training on NordGems/Academy and wrote it on a piece of paper. I think it showed a reduction of around 30-33% from previous star (which, I think, merely confirms what others have posted before) but.....
...do you know where I put the bit of paper? >.<
(Wolfie is now going to slap me for not immediately putting it in OO Calc like I should have. :( )
To be honest, I know almost nothing about training players over their 6*.
I start my season with a 5* team, reaching 6*, closer to 7* as my boosters permit that and then I stop training.
I 'm not gonna watch any more videos with this KFC grandpa, for gaining a +20.
Khris, with his Rahmanino-terminator is more expert to that
lol
I've just been training a couple six and seven star players and Buffs numbers match my experience.
LV13 p46 "Lucky or not, here I come"
Here I am again. Now at the "lucky" 13 level.
No bad luck for me. I found some nordgen in the morning of the first day and the next day I also bought a player from a "human" team, who was also good trainer.
So, here they are
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also drop an auction for another player. It was going for a bidding war and I didn't like the "penalty specialist" sa.
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they had good results
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After that, I did a power train in those two players : Ze Roberto, a nordgen I bought previous season and Neymar, the star of the team, ex-nordgen whom I want to keep for 1-2 more seasons.
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I spent 100 greens for those 45+15 sp (without any injuries :) ).
Ze Roberto had the triple gaining of Neymar, which numbers aren't so bad for his age.
Now I 'm searching for two wingers I need to replace my second pair from the beginning of my career - let's see.
LV13 p47 "Academy vs nordgen vs scout"
After about ten seasons I decided to sign with an academy player.
My motive to do that, was to see some records or test that maybe I lost the first time and to compare him with some other players.
The three basic rules (which I had in that case) are :
-It must be in the beginning of the season
-He must be playing in a position you want
-He must have some high quality (meaning he must be at least 21T or 24T).
The other three are next –
-You must have a lot of greens (and reds) to feed him
-He must perform good
-He must be fast trainer
So this is the player after testing him in some games. Seem that he has talent and the most important for a ST, he likes to score.
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So after that I decided to invest to him. Those are the results in 3bars/practice. He had some good numbers so I spend about 60 greens to give him 1 extra star, +5 quality. (without an injury) :)
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After that I trained him with my other two nordgen of this season.
Those are defenders which I already gave defending special abilities (spending about 60 greens each).
Those are the results, spending 100 greens for the three.
Mauro Galvao won 18sp, Sylvinho 20 sp and Maroulis 24 sp because as lower q 5* player, had better numbers.
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I continued testing my academy player in the games and he got a MoM. Also test him as a Free-kick specialst (in the right side) and scored one goal, so I decided to give him also this sa (this period I don’t have this sa in my team) another 60 greens
as to rename him – giving another 1T :o
So far, about 150 greens, + 15 reds for an injury and he is still a 5* player.
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Here I want to say that I bought a GK, from scout list, 50T, who is now a 7* player with a sa, without spending a single green or red booster for him.
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now, he is 23 y.o. but still can play in 6* quality at least for the next 3 years.
And this is Pele again, in d16, after spending some more greens :p
– I have to admit that he has talent :cool:
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So, is an academy player a good investment ?
I believe no, at least when you can find good nordgens - Even a scout/list player is better investment (considering that 46T = 50 green packs).
but if there isn’t anyone good, then it’s not bad choice.
And also it’s fan.
I have seen a mixture of recommendations for power training. A senior has recommended the non-free academy players, and now I see that 'nordgens' are recommended.
But, I am not interested into that level of power training as I can't afford to buy so many tokens, especially for green packs.
So far, I agree that 'nordgens' are the best investment for the low-average token buyers.
I have not bought any scout players so far. What is the flop chance for a scout player?
What if you invested green packs on a 22 year old scout player, does he become a superstar? How fast is his gain in skill points?
No, 0T academy players are slow trainers (90%). I keep some low q (for under-leveling) purpose and test them. Avoid - (for training, as players depends as for everyone).
Nordgen, scout/list and T academy players can give the added value but only for a player who has extra sources (farming, buying, down loading apps for mobile).
For a 35T player (only with the sources from the game), the best investment is buying 5* players, 28-30 y.o., who can perform good, bought with few T and play for 2-3 seasons as good performers - I 've tried that too :p
If a manager can save some packs after 3-4 season, then can try 1-2 nordgen.
I have bought so far (I 'm not quite sure) 12-13 scout list players - avg 1 per season.
1 GK, very good
3 def. very good
6 MC , 3 very good, 3 flops
3 ST, 1 flop, 1 good, 1 hmm (not bad but not a scorer).
It's not worthy to invest greens to scouters. Because of their age and high q, they do a training of a (about) +35, 3bars/practice - the young ones, 22-23 y.o. .At their 8*, much less, +10-15% - with the risk of injuries of course.
But it's worthy to invest some greens the third season, when they are 5* player, so can keep them for a couple of seasons as high q players.
I don't train my players over 6*.
- It needs a lot of greens (even for a farmer)
-I 'm not sure if a 8*-9* player can guarantee that he 'll perform always good or get more rates of 8-9 from a 5*-6* player
-Having so far a team of 6* + 5* players was enough for me to won any title - even a tremble.
Thanks. You are right; cost-wise, it seems that 18 year old 5 star fast training players are the best for power training. We just have to identify the flops as quickly as possible after signing them, and then sell them, keeping only the good performers in both training and match.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
I meant the academy players that cost tokens to sign.
When I 'm buying nordgen, first test them in a couple of games and then power train them.
That's the advantage of nordgen (vs scout vs academy). Fist test, then invest (if you didn't involve in a bidding war of course).
But for my experience so far, defenders are guarantee while MCs is 50/50 :(
Two more questions.
If you train a good performing player for another position, given that he has the attributes to play for this position, does he do well in that position?
For the players that you have added a special ability, have you noticed positive effect in the performance of the player or for the whole team?
Better trying first (playing out of position) in one-two non important games, but for my stats :
a DC, DL, DR can play also good in anther position, so I have DC-DR & DC-DL (to switch from narrow to wide if necessary).
Try a DC or MC for DMC position. Usually working.
MC for ML or MR. Well, it's hard to find a functional MC, not to add one more position - lol.
MR (or ML) >> AMR or AML usually working.
AMC/AMR + AML, all around AM. Usually working.
Special abilities - one of the unanswered mysteries of t11 - lol
I don't think anyone can answer for sure about function of sa but I use to set some of them
GK > one-to-one
Defenders > aerial or defensive wall
I always try to give those sa. I had during my career good defense and low avg of conc.goals but I don't know what the part of sa for that.
Sometimes I give free-kick in some Mdf or attackers.
It working sometimes, for some players, for some periods - lol
* but when I 'm buying a scout/list MC, I prefer to take my chance with this sa.
I tried some times sudden striker for wingers. They performed good but still don't know how % it's the participation of the sa.
One-to-one for my ST. It seems that it's working some times.
I don't have any solid conclusion about corner specialist.
Penalty specialist, dribbler, play maker, were invisible to me.
Usually I 'm buying nordgen 18 y.o. and keep them for two contracts, 6 years.
An extra special ability for a 18 y.o. good trainer it's about 60-70 greens (+ reds for 1 injury avg). So if I keep a player for 6 season, it's about 10-12 packs/season. I think it's worthy. Also it's easier to sell this player later.
Yes, playmaker and dribbler abilities definitely looks 'fake'; they do not seem to do anything, which put doubts on the other remaining abilities. Or may be the playmaker and dribbler abilities do raise the quality of certain attributes of the player, but the game does not seem to be based on passing and dribbling (which should not be the case, especially for passing). This why many midfielders appear to do little in the game.
So far, it seems that a new position is a better investment than a special ability.
A few seasons back it was a war with GKers, and now the battle is finding a decent performing MC combination!Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
LV14 p48 "Old dog"
Hi from lv 14.
This season I bought two nordgen
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and here is another one, the most expensive I found this season.
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but here is my power training for my old dog Neymar.
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He still can do a +40, as an ex-norgden, 28 y.o.
His gaining is the same with a 0T academy player. Impressive :eek:
but I think it's not worthy to spend more greens to power train him.
He needs 3-4 greens to earn 1sp (not counting the possible reds :p ).
So, at that age, for next season, better sell him or keep him as a sub 4* player.
p49 "Duck became Swan"
I have an alt team in level 1, which I don't know if continue playing (maybe from my decision or due to facebook ID policies :rolleyes: ).
I had a lot of gathered boosters and didn't want to be wasted so started the following transformation.
I bought a player, a young nordgen 3*, 14Q, AMC but with high Value price for his q and low wage.
Just spend 1 token cause everybody in this level would prefer to buy 5* player with this money.
- So started training, first for an extra position AML (50 sp) - spending 40 greens for that.
- After that, another extra position AMR (50 sp) - spending 43 greens for that.
* he has both feet
- Then a special ability, Sudden striker (50sp) - spending also 50 greens for that too.
Finally spend some greens to raise his quality to become a 5* player. Needed 60 greens for his 4* and 75 greens to become a 5*.
A summary of 268 greens
Also spent 28 reds for two injuries, 4 days each.
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So, that ugly duck of 3* and only one position, became this beautiful swan.
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*here I want to say that after adding the sp, his wage changed also but this is a temporary bug of the game. After reloading, the wage goes back to the first one.
Some numbers from the training
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Some observations about that.
As a 3* player and fast trainer, can do some good numbers (of +170).
But his numbers wasn't always so high. He had also some low numbers. The average was about +140.
As a 4* and later 5* player of course his gaining dropped but still he could do some +140.
Impressive is that as a 3*, the rate of gaining was to big - from +108 the lowest to +177, the higher :eek:
As a 5* player, the range of gaining was much less - from +86 to +141 but the average was about +110.
After almost 2 1/2 months of that last post, I want to post an update about this player,
The swan has a different name now, Vasia, a name of a Greek legendary player
he is 21 y.o. now and he 's doing really great :o
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p50 Level 15
ok, time to move on a little.
After been inactive for some period, I moved on.
Lv 15 and here are some nordgens
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here is my old fast trainer, Neymar, 31 y.o. now
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here is a player, 18y.o. (probably an academy player) who isn't a fast trainer and we can see some training results vs Troyano, a nordgen fast trainer and Neymar
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and here some results from Vanohecke vs Neymar vs Lymberopoulos, a 0T academy player of this season
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p51 Level 16
promote again and the first day of the season it was a bunch of nordgens in TM :eek:
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and here some I bought
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p52 Level 17
Promote to lv17 and the first day, early in the morning, the market was full of nordgen again :)
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so, I bought some
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and then I started some training :p
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The first class nordgen now have a max value of 105 M'.
I was expecting that Strezos with 104 M', would have less gaining from the others (of 105 M'), instead Slepicka was the one who had the less gaining.
Maybe it's a camouflage for a 2nd class nordgen or he has too big wage (7,7 M') comparing to others.
Anyway, as he didn't make any superb performances, I sold him
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Another nordgen I bought, my ST, Relihan, had really bad performances so I sold him too.
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I bought another one, ST, nordgen, da Siva
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but after one season, he still is a mediocre player :(
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The strikers disease is affecting even the nordgen :rolleyes:
so I 'll have to think what to do with him. To sell him or to give him a winger position (the only two solutions).
p53 Level 18
Promote again
ok, not only promote, after I start playing again, from lv16, I won a double -league & Cup- and two trebles, with the help of my fast trainers :o
I sold through negotiations Strezos, for 10 token, so I covered the expenses I made for all those nordgen.
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Some nordgen of this season - but I decided not to invest anymore to STs till the problem will be fixed
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so I bought those guys
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What's 'nordgen'?
p54 What does it mean nordgen ?
"nordgen" coming from the words nordeus- generated, meaning a player created by nordeus. Of course in T11, all the players are coming from nordeus :p , but with this word, in the forum we mean the new, young players who are coming from imaginary (bot), teams and not from other clubs. The most expensive of them (for each level), usually are the faster 5* trainers - the players who gain more progress than the others, when training or after a game.
If you notice the names of the teams from the players I posted above, they are names of bot teams and not existing clubs.
You can also find some more names like those, if you go to manager icon (when playing in pc), and see if you want to start with a new club, from a lower level than yours. If you refresh the page, you 'll have different names of teams. Those all are bot teams.
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p55 bot teams names
Starting one of my teams from level one, I had a Cup draw where most of the teams are bot teams.
The original nordgens are coming from bot teams, so can you recognize which of the teams bellow, isn't a bot team ?
Just to remind you, bot team names are :
-names like Buggy, Dusky / names from colors (Magenta, Yellow, Crimson) / adjective names like Strong, Ambitious.
- all the names of the bot teams, must have an explanation (in a lexicon/dictionary), some meaning.
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How can we phone users identify players who originally belongs to nordegn clubs? Because now a days some of managers also using that type of name to get benefit ??
When I use my phone, I don't have the info of the players team as his stats too.
So, the signs I use are
- the price (must be near the numbers of the list I have)
- no premium jersey
- the hour (must be 04.00-06.00 GMT) . There are no original nordgens except this hour (but not impossible to find a fast trainer from other teams/managers who are selling them for some reasons - injury, bad performance,finance problems).
In that case, I avoid to spend much token for the player, so if he isn't fast trainer or excellent performer, I sell him back.
Those signs are also if some manager using a bot team name.
I have a question. just need to be sure
i have power trained a 18 year old striker. I trained him with match pratice 30 times and each practice was between 117 and 177.
is he what you would call a fast trainer or do i need someone even better than this.
still learning this hope you can help
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Yes, that's it.
But tell me, is he a 5* (how much quality ?) and he got 177 ?!
wow
he was a 3 star yesterday, i used he`s points and now he is 4 star 19q - value 690k - wage 2.7kQuote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
ah 3*, because those numbers are to big.
As I wrote in post #4, I had a fast trainer 3* player but I sold him.
For me it's not worthy to power train a 3* player unless you have 150-200 greens to spend just for him as I did at #263.
How can I use & train wisely a fast trainer? I want to use him for minimum 2 or 3seasos with same or higher market value with extra positions& his quality shoud be minimum 5 star!!! my resources 70+ greens and 40+ games per season
1) We try to find a player 5* (not 3* or 4*), with quality X3, X4 or X8, X9 (Q43, Q54, Q78, Q89 for example).
2) We try to find a player with two positions so we could add one more, but not two
Example > DL-DC so we can add DR > DL-DR-DC. Not a player DR
a MR-AMR , not only MR
a AML-AMC, not only AMC, so we can add AMR > AML-AMC-AMR
3) If we want to add a special ability (or extra position), we must build that first and then increasing the quality (adding sp)
4) We must find a "working" (anyway :rolleyes:), sa like defensive wall or header for defenders, sudden striker is also good, one-to-one sometimes.
Free-kick or corner specialist are too unstable to invest on them.
5)If you cannot afford to have many fast trainers, try to find key players
no GK, it's a "neutral" factor in the team
no defenders, you can find good defenders in the market
no MC. Real good MCs are those with a godd working sa but this is rare
no STs. Lately they have problems in scoring. Only after testing you can invest to them.
the best investment is to find and develop a good winger.
AML-AMR are key players for winning the game.
They are the best scorers.
They earn lot of MoM extra skill points
6)Best to find the fast trainer in the first day of the season (18 y.o.).
After testing him in the cup game and in a friendly game, then power train him (training in 3 bars, practice match. Only him, not together with others(cause of injuries).
Train him for 50-60-70 sp. (use reds for an injury)
Then, let him rest for a couple of days.
The first season you must spend some more greens if you want to add sa or position.
The other seasons, you invest only to increase/keep quality.
