What is going on with my players?

[RaiKo]

I disagree. I have lost a league title recently to a much lower quality team but better trained vietnamese team. We both had max training, similar support and i assume max morale (we cant check on this with other accounts). Higher average quality trumps higher white skills if nordeus or luck decides so. It isnt always true. Associations top 100 is all about low quality high whites. It will be difficult getting into an ultimate association with high greys.

I guess we're both on the same side. You could have probably confused the two parameters, AvQ and Overall quality that's displayed in paranthesis. Here's the formula you must know.

Player/Team AvQ + 20 * (Manager Lvl - 1) = Overall Quality * 4

There are 2 calculation engine in the game as it follows;
1) League, cup, CL/super league calculations are made by Overall Quality value, low grey skills you get a huge rating penalty
2) Association, Friendly Championship and special events are made by AvQ. low grey skills bring you a little rating penalty.

You had lost the league bc your team's AvQ was higher than him, but both overall qualities were similar. Other parameters( i.e the fixture, weather condition, team contribution list, not ideal set piece taker settings, morale, fan mourinho support, counter formation, tactical settings, luck factor) could affect the title result.

[EastsiderSG]

I guess we're both on the same side. You could have probably confused the two parameters, AvQ and Overall quality that's displayed in paranthesis. Here's the formula you must know.

Player/Team AvQ + 20 * (Manager Lvl - 1) = Overall Quality * 4

There are 2 calculation engine in the game as it follows;
1) League, cup, CL/super league calculations are made by Overall Quality value, low grey skills you get a huge rating penalty
2) Association, Friendly Championship and special events are made by AvQ. low grey skills bring you a little rating penalty.

You had lost the league bc your team's AvQ was higher than him, but both overall qualities were similar. Other parameters( i.e the fixture, weather condition, team contribution list, not ideal set piece taker settings, morale, fan mourinho support, counter formation, tactical settings, luck factor) could affect the title result.

No need to act all knowing and superior my friend. I am sure you did it unintentionally and was just earnestly educating a fellow player but I need no explanation for my loss. What you are saying is just an opinion. I believe i know what you know if not more unless you work for them.

To me, overall quality and average quality are essentially the same. No confusion on my part. Average quality just focuses on your current level and overall quality is in respect to the big picture which encompasses all levels. I lost in this instance because he had a much better team. I knew it from the start. 1 percent greys and 300 whites for the entire team while i had none of such upsold well trained players. At least i lost to a player who deserved to win for that league loss. There should have been a penalty in main competitions that would have benefited me that time but i had no such luck. There are many parameters that are random which puts the power in nordeus hands to decide whether you are going to win or lose that important match. These days high profile people are also talking about the lack of high performance players to explain why well trained trained teams lose to full scout teams.

And Yes everyone is aware of the 2 governing engines. Associations and main competitions. Quite obvious. The main point is all these parameters are just a cover up for them to allow big strong teams who put in alot of effort to lose to players who buy straight off auctions and do not powertrain. As mentioned, not much diff between 6 and 9 star players. All i am saying is we have to accept thats how this game is. Always was like this since i started. We win or lose by whatever the game engine decides and this is programmed by developers. I have ever joined an opponents association and knew he had only 8 out of 40 training yet beat me in a cup finals with a much lower quality untrained team. You won’t see me complaining about it here.

[RaiKo]

These days high profile people are also talking about the lack of high performance players to explain why well trained trained teams lose to full scout teams.

Yes I know you're one of top class manager in the forum. I bet some devs might not be aware of info in terms of the result of mechanism they build and game bugs than you. I was not trying to tell you how the things gonna work in this game, was trying to explain the math versus in simulation engine that is where the most of managers are mistaken. Let's say they may think a player who has 300% passing skill must easily send the ball behind the oppo. defender who has 120% tackling. +180 gap the first thing that spring to their mind, but the actual difference in overall quality calculation is only +45 in local tournaments and also the effectiveness of the skill's nerfed values above 200% give the weak player a significant chance to win the duel against your strong player. I agree that his squad and the team chemistry (this is not meaning of TB or PB) must have been better than you in this case. And other parameters like luck factor we already know and have to accept that we cannot win all matches and the titles no matter what we did on the ground.

About performance of the players, Yes this is not new for me, the rating system has been changed and updated, still monitoring to understand it.

[EastsiderSG]

Yes I know you're one of top class manager in the forum. I bet some devs might not be aware of info in terms of the result of mechanism they build and game bugs than you. I was not trying to tell you how the things gonna work in this game, was trying to explain the math versus in simulation engine that is where the most of managers are mistaken. Let's say they may think a player who has 300% passing skill must easily send the ball behind the oppo. defender who has 120% tackling. +180 gap the first thing that spring to their mind, but the actual difference in overall quality calculation is only +9 in local tournaments and also the effectiveness of the skill's nerfed values above 200% give the weak player a significant chance to win the duel against your strong player. I agree that his squad and the team chemistry (this is not meaning of TB or PB) must have been better than you in this case. And other parameters like luck factor we already know and have to accept that we cannot win all matches and the titles no matter what we did on the ground.

About performance of the players, Yes this is not new for me, the rating system has been changed and updated, still monitoring to understand it.

I know. Like I said, my post was explaining it is expected of this game. I didn't complain when I lost and I ain't complaining now. It's more of me sharing my experience which should also act as a consolation for the threadstarter as there are players out there who face the same difficulties. I always appreciated when others understood my pain rather than telling me its my fault for something they assume i didn’t do well.

I understand you are one of those who believes it is the fault of the player but this is a theory that cannot be proven. I will accept everything you guys mentioned as fact if you or Khris say you work for them or received direct confirmation from an employee like how Reeves used to advise us. But we all know being transparent means being accountable and most would prefer to keep things ambiguous.

I don't agree with your explanation that other parameters are the cause. It is purely scripted that we should lose some trophies. You will lose no matter what you do. It's part and parcel of this game. I don't understand why players try to rationalise everything. All games are build this way to tell you more investment is required or to make sure no individual player is deemed exceptionally outstanding especially one that challenges them. It could also simply be to keep it competitive between league rivals or knockout opponents.

I apologize for my hostile response earlier but I tend to react negatively when spoken to like a noob. I respect those who show others respect. Of course I know it wasn't your intention but it sure reads like that

[khris]

I know. Like I said, my post was explaining it is expected of this game. I didn't complain when I lost and I ain't complaining now. It's more of me sharing my experience which should also act as a consolation for the threadstarter as there are players out there who face the same difficulties. I always appreciated when others understood my pain rather than telling me its my fault for something they assume i didn’t do well.

I understand you are one of those who believes it is the fault of the player but this is a theory that cannot be proven. I will accept everything you guys mentioned as fact if you or Khris say you work for them or received direct confirmation from an employee like how Reeves used to advise us. But we all know being transparent means being accountable and most would prefer to keep things ambiguous.

I don't agree with your explanation that other parameters are the cause. It is purely scripted that we should lose some trophies. You will lose no matter what you do. It's part and parcel of this game. I don't understand why players try to rationalise everything. All games are build this way to tell you more investment is required or to make sure no individual player is deemed exceptionally outstanding especially one that challenges them. It could also simply be to keep it competitive between league rivals or knockout opponents.

I apologize for my hostile response earlier but I tend to react negatively when spoken to like a noob. I respect those who show others respect. Of course I know it wasn't your intention but it sure reads like that

I don't work for them I'm just a fried potato lol

For me its all about perception, there is a point where you can feel what is happening, the distances, when something works, when something doesn't, so the guides I wrote about the game process are just an attempt of a close interpretation, to describe the process that the engine does in a comprehensible way for every single user.

[EastsiderSG]

I don't work for them I'm just a fried potato lol

For me its all about perception, there is a point where you can feel what is happening, the distances, when something works, when something doesn't, so the guides I wrote about the game process are just an attempt of a close interpretation, to describe the process that the engine does in a comprehensible way for every single user.

Collecting data, playing friendlies and getting great dominance and contributive stats just means the opponent’s ratios/stats are higher than ours when you lose. Asking us to spend resources for no real increase in knowledge. Its bs if you ask me. I told your student raiko my league opponent was better trained and he tells me all other kinds of explanations why i lost......my opponent simply had 300 whites and 1 percent greys and won despite being lower quality. Advising others without listening/reading

Precisely why I don’t think too much of all these things being mentioned. Team chemistry, nerfed ratings and all these parameters just point towards, losses can be expected no matter how good your team is and the cause cannot be determined or defined easily. Whats the difference? We cant pinpoint which parameters will be used for any particular match. Simply put is dont blame the engine or system when you lose, the fault is yours.

I want to be educated by successful players who can achieve success with as little as possible. I need to see a proven track record. Not players who have been playing really long but are on break half their career. Thanks but no thanks. We should agree to disagree.