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The update of september 2015 added 2 boosters, one for MtM and another for high press.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaLioS
The attack booster, is linked to the High Pressure, and the defense one is linked to Man to man option, both are actually active in exchange of more condition, and both options (boosters) works like the training bonuses, these bonuses of 10% (15% activated) just affect a random number of players inside the team (5-6 in more measure).
Activate always MtM and High press give more guarantee, in exchange of a higher condition usage.
Same as the win bonus, that one can say that, don't affect, but it does in some way (a % of win options), too you have the option to activate the condition bonus during the match, what saves condition in a X number of players mainly and allow a resources saving.
I defended literally, that the orders are not linked to a system that faces the 1vs1 settings, simply the game selects what works and what do not work individually and separately for each team, as you know can be "obvious" that if the oppo loses the DR, attack for the left side but, if the game has chosen by default that you only will have success for the right, then there's no way.
Too I wrote many times about the mentioned point, that orders are not linked in a way that, are faced "tactically". Some people comes here and thinks that, High pressure = pressure in the oppos field, and that's wrong. Play inoppos field = attack/hard attack mentality and the pressure is like the "effort" or, play calmly to save condition in the low pressure.
And well, my thesis always has been this, that counters don't work, as the main source to do the calculations are the internal qualities of the players, and there's no guide of how to win in a let's say, a 70% of guarantee, there wasn't, and now that the beatability margin seems that has been increased and you can draw 1-1 vs a -40% these guides works less....IMO
Knowing this, exist the option to, set the game to "provoke the fail" creating a weakness. As the game set's the match scenario looking at your starting orders, for example in my last Cup finale, after use a 4-2-3w-1 during all edition, I moved the ST as AMR, playing without ST and, x2 AMs, so the game looks this, does the calculations (giving more, or less chances in your favour) and if the game selects that with this setting you only can win, by switching a player as ST, that's the way.
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If you play the football player in a position other than the one you should play, then he doesn't play well at his position, is that correct?
When he returns to the position he needs to be back again, he doesn't play well?
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Does anyone understand the use of arrows ??
Is there really any use ??
If there are, what are the uses for:
1. player
2. team games
3. How much does it affect (points 1 & 2)
*Need help for playing on 2019..
Bump as i need to clarify what the condition bonus does? I am reading here it is saves condition for a few players but am also being told it doesnt do that. But instead reduces the penalty for low condition.Quote:
Originally Posted by khris
Condition bonus doesn't reduce the condition loss during the game.
Reduce the penalty in calculations because of low condition.
- Also if you use high pressing or man to man, gives extra condition loss but that doesn't go to gaining.
- Extra time (and c.l.) gives extra gaining.
cl> condition loss
For example
a training with a set that gives 18% cl, a player gain 4% skills
a match with 22% cl , gain 5% skills
a match, using high pressing and mtm, gives 40% cl and gain also 4% skills
a match with extra time and 30% cl , gain 5%
The effect of cl depends of the Wheel of Fortune I describe here
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...op-eleven.html
In some games the cl penalty multiplies X10 and gives a critical disadvantage, in other games it's just a X1 and has minor effect.
So someone can say, "Look, I played with players condition in reds but still won."
Ok, but if continue that, after 2-3 games you may loose badly from a weak team.
If the condition bonus effect was to reduce c loss, then using it 5 times would have been obvious.
So I find condition bonus when in some games you use high pressing and man to man from the start and the games goes to extra time.
In this case it can be helpful.
But if addition bonus give something % extra, I prefer to use attack or defense.
Usually I have a lot of supporters so I have the 15% ball possession from there (and my presence of course) .
Subs
Some hints about how the game works
- A sub gives an extra green so good to get it as you may have 50 official games + asso games + friendlies + events.
- With a sub, you can reverse a bad score or if the game is stuck in a not desired score.
Don't be too late, round 60-65' min it's ok.
First half is too early I think (except for a GKs really bad performance)
At break time it's ok if it's not going good.
- If you 're winning 1-0 but the game is tight, don't do a sub. This can reverse the score but for the other side.
- If you sub a defender, you may conceded a goal, so do that only for an injury or your defender has really bad rate (bellow 5,8) or a card and bad rate or you have nothing to loose.
- If one player has a yellow card, keep an eye in his rate. If it's still high, above 7, keep him in the game.
If it's decreasing 1-2 times in a row, sub him to protect him from a 2nd yellow.
Also keep an eye in his morale.
Morale many times is working like an indicator who is in a low form or gonna make a bad performance or a fatal action in a next game.
So don't rush to have them all in a max morale because you won't be able to recognize that player.
- If you see your oppo manager doing 2-3 subs, better activate the mtm order so to boost a little your defense.
Might be a dangerous situation.
- Do 2 subs and keep the last one for the end.
- You don't know what can happen . I mean an injury.
Remember that there is the rule of only one injury in a TE game so if you had already one injured player, you are secure from that.
- About 85' -86' it's the last min you can make a sub. After that it's too late (except some times when there is a delay in your clock).
- Players you can make a sub are
MCs - if the have bellow 6,8
AMs if the have bellow 7
ST if the have bellow 6,8
DMC if have bellow 7-6,8
GK if have bellow 6
For the GK I usually make an exception. If conceded a goal early and his rates go from red to red, is the player I might sub early in the game.
Better a -1* -2* sub player than a player with very bad rate.
If your free-kick taker has a low rate (a bad day) , you may not sub him but put another player for the free-kicks.
There are two old bugs in the game
A delay in the stats > go in some other screen of the menu and return to the game to see the fresh one.
A delay in a sub > After your sub, move another player in his (same bx, not position) so to tab another time the V button.
I have read many posts of yours, saying that GK is cosmetic, express the roll-dice of the game and more.Quote:
For the GK I usually make an exception. If conceded a goal early and his rates go from red to red, is the player I might sub early in the game.
Better a -1* -2* sub player than a player with very bad rate.
If so, why to sub a GK if it's not about his performance and abilities ?
Yes, I still believe that GKs role is cosmetic and most of the times just represents the Luck part of a game or give an alibi for your loss.
But still we 're trying to do the right thing.
Some games are fixed but some games which start bad, we can reverse the flow of the game.
Here a game I had yesterday in CL.
Opponent was much weaker and not present.
Yeah, the right recipe for a troll game :p
I could see the signs that the game is going for a troll even if I scored at 61' the 1-2.
My GK had a low rate and that continued in reds, decreasing bellow 6.
I could see a conceded goal coming so I subbed my GK.
That didn't help me as the goal of oppo came at 88'.
So the game was fixed not to win.
Look at the comment now - John Weir (my GK who came from the bench at 81') lacked motivation - lol
This fixed game was to blame my main GK Dida for the not-win.
But as I subbed him, so that crazy comment went to my sub-keeper.
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If you see games like this, that means you did the right thing but beaten from the AI of the game, not because you did something wrong or opponent manager was better.
So you keep the same things for the second leg, hopping that bad Luck won't strike you twice (usually doesn't).
Please somebody, if I want to go defend very hard what should I choose in play offside trap, on or off? And also in focus passing (maybe here it doesnt matter)?
no offside
not long passing
https://forum.topeleven.com/formatio...tml#post630829
Im with phone in hard place so i can't copypaste now so here is link to my problem. 4-2-2-2 opponents formation. I decided to try 3-4-3. I need my strongest players to this match so 3-5-1 isn't possible. What tactics you suggest to me. I have number one scorer and hes team has number two scorer. We both win every match about 5-0. He's team is little bit better but he has much yellow and if i remember right it has couple reds also ( not sure if all is league match-cards). I need this win bad because he is #1 in league and im #3 with one match lesser than #2. Help is needed.
Formation:
DL DC DR
ML MC MC MR
AML AMR
ST
Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
I have one more question, the player bonus also decrease 2% every day as team bonus, or it never decrease?
If you wan't to improve your tactical skills, I suggest to read from the beginning so to understand the logic of the game (and maybe football general).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannu Karpo
If your opponent has 2 STs, with what logic you are using only one DC (and without the help at least of a DMC) ?
This thread is to help you go from step B to step C or D.Quote:
Originally Posted by barnabasfuto
But you must make some steps on your own or you won't make it.
You mean that you cannot observe tomorrow that your players lost a 2% from their player bonus
and you want an answer to that ?
ok
Instead of asking stupid, mallet questions (because its very hard to you to answer because its a different forum) it would have been shorter to you to answer my question.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
Yeah that was dumb move fo sure but my defenders still did good. Stopped lotof attacks and that one goal they did was on penaltyshot. I tied after that so it didn't go that bad.. 4-1-3-2 next time perhaps. :) Learn process afterall...
And i tied with one R card
You must leave out of your mind the scenes from live animation.Quote:
Stopped lot of attacks and that one goal they did was on penalty shot.
I know, looks weird but what you see in the game is only the expression of the match calculations.
Doesn't matter if he scored with a penalty or if your ST couldn't shoot from the box.
The result is that you got a draw when you could win that. So next time or another time you should use a better formation (for example a 4-5-1 V).
Of course luck has always a big role :o
If you should leave every in game information out of your mind so "The biggest question" would be what should i do if i loose a match and face same opponent next time with same formation?
What is the most ridiculous thing that there are big texts or guides about tactics, formation etc and then suddenly says that nothing make sense.
I mean what i should read if i cant read anything because everything are cosmetic or dont represent current situation?
At old times I was saying that the game is 30% Luck/fixed result, 30% players/quality, 30% tactics/coaching, 10% miscellaneous.
Last two years game engine has changed. I would say that now is 50%-20%-20%-10% but still we have to do whatever is in our hands.
I use a 451v defensive counter formation. Do most players play it offensively now? And if so what are the tactics used and mentality?
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What is the best order for 4-5-1 flat?
My team is 10% stronger. So, i think its better to play offensive. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4069cd31ec.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...03414de1e0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...450674f4b7.jpg
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I don't use that formation, don't know.
But stronger than who ? playing how ? going for what ?
If you don't know where to go , don't know to show the road :p
My team is stronger 10% than my opponent. Here is my opponent. Maybe u know how to play against this squad?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5327f69e8d.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
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Then you must go from the beginning of the thread and read the first posts.
The meaning of this thread is to make you understand, think and build your own formation and tactics for every game.
For example , you opponent has only one ST.
Why to use 2 DCs (and not put Praytino as DMC) ?
Impt bumpQuote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
Seriously? That's what condition bonus does?Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
Hi Nik, for early matches I noticed you advised against training first eleven. Only train bench so we will play first 11 with 8 percent TPB. Is there a reason for this? I am assuming most of us have greens to cover it especially for impt matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
I usually play hard attacking, does anyone know how much additional condition it requires? I assume this additional condition consumed does not add to gaining?
I think I wrote it before but repeatQuote:
Originally Posted by Sillybq
Only High pressing and man to man orders increase condition loss.
When I wrote it, there wasn't the TPB. Only the 4X10% bonus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sillybq
But so far, I haven't seen any useful effect of the TPB in team's performance.
Appreciate it NIk. This post mentions Hard attacking and defending does use more condition though.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
Maybe it’s not relevant anymore.
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yes, some things have changed.
Like injuries for example.
Now a player who got injured yesterday and you fixed him, he won't get another injury for the next (about) 10 days.
Also if a player was injured, then you are sure that you won't have another injury during that game so you can spend all your 3 subs without that fear.
I knew about the 1 per game but not the safe for 10 days. You are a TE encyclopediaQuote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...-injuries.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Sillybq
now I remember that post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sillybq
I wrote that as something like a suggestion for injuries and condition of players.
Not to be random but to come as a result from the orders we give.
I do think some of it is still relevant but your clarification was right. I played defensive and I played hard attacking. Both lose max 24 condition per match per player, no difference. Lose addition 6 condition for MTM and High Press. I like reading your posts. Highly credible. Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
You're wrong on one thing here.. 4-4-2 & 4-5-1 are defensive formations only, even in real football. Worser in Top Eleven if an almost equal team plays a 4-2-3-1 against both a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 attacking, the 4-2-3-1 will destroy you.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
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These tips are very good, I will start to put them into practice to see if I improve
