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sdw Training and... 05-19-2013, 05:11 PM
Royal Lions How u would counter a... 05-19-2013, 06:43 PM
sdw 4-5-1 v 05-19-2013, 11:01 PM
Christiantrinh Well done sdw!!! agree most... 05-19-2013, 11:04 PM
Fazil Great,, 05-19-2013, 11:39 PM
shwanko07 please make it sticky in... 05-20-2013, 01:11 AM
reddeviljohn Great thread man! 05-20-2013, 08:44 AM
fadhul17 Welcome back sdw :) 05-20-2013, 08:50 AM
Michael Unonk what do u think to counter... 05-20-2013, 01:39 PM
sdw 4-5-1 V style or 4-4-1-1 05-20-2013, 06:06 PM
Marchelo1988 You suggest 4-3-2-1 as an... 05-20-2013, 01:42 PM
sdw 4-3-2-1 is effective... 05-20-2013, 06:05 PM
Marchelo1988 So, against the 4-4-2... 05-21-2013, 10:53 AM
Marchelo1988 I ended up using the 4-3-2-1... 05-22-2013, 08:39 PM
Lasike Hi do you think that is there... 05-31-2013, 04:24 PM
hullabaloo thanks for this thread man! ... 06-02-2013, 10:52 AM
sdw Dont know man.I always beat... 06-05-2013, 09:37 AM
Cicoba Treytes Ibr What do you think about man... 04-01-2014, 11:22 AM
Kameltreiber What what you suggest against... 05-20-2013, 05:38 PM
sdw It depends how he uses the... 05-20-2013, 06:19 PM
Kameltreiber Thanks!! Played 1:1 which is... 05-20-2013, 07:40 PM
FRANNY FC great thread my friend! i was... 05-20-2013, 06:32 PM
sdw 4-3n-1-2 is not good tactic... 05-20-2013, 09:49 PM
Fazil Hi sdw Need your suggestion... 05-20-2013, 06:37 PM
sdw For first : your tactic is... 05-20-2013, 09:52 PM
Fazil Thanks 05-21-2013, 04:43 AM
Fazil 3-N-1DMC-3-N 2AML/AMR-1ST. ... 05-21-2013, 05:10 AM
Master Tactician Very good post. Clears out... 05-21-2013, 12:14 AM
sdw Maybe it depends from the... 05-21-2013, 01:46 AM
Master Tactician A widely used order in real... 05-21-2013, 02:12 AM
Der Panzer Thanks sdw, so useful thread... 05-21-2013, 06:43 AM
Floridian Great thread, i already... 05-21-2013, 05:20 PM
Baric31 Best formation against... 05-21-2013, 06:08 PM
Abu Ubaid Any idea on how to... 05-21-2013, 07:54 PM
Vercetti How to beat... 05-22-2013, 04:08 PM
essokimo 4222 hexagon i win against it... 05-22-2013, 04:18 PM
essokimo what about 43N3N how to... 05-22-2013, 04:19 PM
sdw 4-5-1 V style.Once I defeated... 05-25-2013, 10:03 AM
haiclassic This formation, I've lost... 05-25-2013, 10:59 AM
sdw I've lost the same two days... 05-25-2013, 11:17 AM
Stretch them In your opening post, at some... 05-25-2013, 06:36 PM
essokimo how to win against 3232 .i... 05-26-2013, 07:36 AM
Kameltreiber Sdw: you forgot to write... 05-26-2013, 09:17 AM
sdw Own half.When you have... 05-26-2013, 05:39 PM
ahmadowskianaya sdw thank u alot,really nice... 05-26-2013, 09:18 PM
sdw 4-5-1 V style is counter... 05-29-2013, 04:50 PM
ahmadowskianaya i used 442ND and i make later... 05-29-2013, 10:48 PM
wanboo237 i am using Butterfly... 05-27-2013, 02:14 AM
sdw Press your own half,mixed... 05-29-2013, 04:52 PM
Armin Bib thanks for your article 05-30-2013, 12:52 AM
Pegasus FC Hi sdw, Thanks for the... 05-30-2013, 02:09 AM
sdw First formation : This... 05-30-2013, 11:24 AM
ahmadowskianaya sdw i have another important... 05-30-2013, 12:18 PM
sdw Dont use 451V.There is no... 05-30-2013, 12:27 PM
ahmadowskianaya 3DC's?and he have strong... 05-30-2013, 01:13 PM
ahmadowskianaya what about 4-1-3N-2?:) 05-30-2013, 01:15 PM
sdw Butterfly - 3 DC,DML and... 05-30-2013, 01:21 PM
LesterMind Great job. Using your... 05-30-2013, 04:05 PM
Master Tactician i think that the main... 05-30-2013, 09:15 PM
sdw Reverse tactics are not the... 05-31-2013, 07:30 PM
Pedro Felipe Oliveira Guys. I have a decisive... 05-30-2013, 05:23 PM
misterr Hi guys ! I also have a... 05-31-2013, 10:01 AM
sdw This is very weak formation... 05-31-2013, 07:24 PM
Radu Nedelcu how can i beat 4-3W-1-2 ... 05-31-2013, 04:51 PM
sdw No,you'll stop his attack but... 05-31-2013, 07:23 PM
Betova14 What orders to counter... 05-03-2015, 05:21 PM
crystynel how can i beat... 06-05-2013, 11:38 AM
sdw Hardly,cuz he's more stronger... 06-05-2013, 03:17 PM
Stretch them How would you counter a maple... 06-05-2013, 03:41 PM
sdw Dont use AML and AMR because... 06-05-2013, 04:09 PM
Stretch them Thank you. Is 4-3-3 also a... 06-05-2013, 06:53 PM
sdw Yes it's good idea. 06-06-2013, 10:05 AM
crystynel please help me against this... 06-05-2013, 05:36 PM
sdw Strange formation.May you... 06-06-2013, 10:06 AM
crystynel yes.. he has ML and he doesnt... 06-06-2013, 10:29 AM
sdw Just put the MR as AMR... 06-06-2013, 10:32 AM
crystynel ok . .thank you very much and... 06-06-2013, 10:35 AM
sdw You can use... 06-06-2013, 10:54 AM
Craig Simmonds I played before and got to... 06-06-2013, 09:04 PM
sdw 4-5-1 v 06-07-2013, 03:39 PM
Wiesse HELP NEEDED how can i counter... 06-07-2013, 05:34 PM
Pegasus FC Hi sdw, Any tips against... 06-08-2013, 07:32 PM
ahmadowskianaya hello sdw, what u think about... 06-08-2013, 09:36 PM
LMN Hey sdw, I want your opinion... 06-09-2013, 05:21 PM
toding What about 4-1-3 (mc)-2 for... 06-10-2013, 10:20 AM
kanoukeisuke16 what do u think to counter... 06-10-2013, 11:14 AM
Dicky Taruna Tedja nice ONE sdw... now im trying... 06-10-2013, 02:35 PM
Marcio David Nice guide bro.. I need your... 06-10-2013, 10:06 PM
Kameltreiber What do you mean by "however... 06-11-2013, 11:07 AM
sdw It means with red arrows.It... 06-12-2013, 04:33 PM
Tung Nam Tran can you help me to go against... 06-13-2013, 03:22 PM
sdw 4-5-1 v style formation,down... 06-13-2013, 06:13 PM
Tung Nam Tran that was what I did and lost... 06-14-2013, 12:13 AM
Wiesse try next time the 4-1-2-1-2... 08-11-2013, 10:09 PM
ahmadowskianaya hello again,in ur topic about... 06-15-2013, 09:17 PM
Radu Nedelcu how can i beat 4-2MC-3W(AM)-1 06-16-2013, 07:50 AM
sdw I'll be glad to see my thread... 06-29-2013, 02:36 PM
ppturano what do u think to counter 3N... 07-02-2013, 01:22 AM
ahmadowskianaya hello sdw,i have important... 07-05-2013, 01:54 PM
sdw I think,mapple leaf.With two... 07-05-2013, 02:45 PM
saydos12 good job thanks 07-07-2013, 04:44 PM
Kenny Jee I have 2 very important... 08-12-2013, 09:42 AM
BMD23 love the information in this... 08-12-2013, 06:06 PM
sdw Play the same.In fact you... 08-13-2013, 04:37 AM
Jacobus Carvallo hi,... need suggestion how... 08-21-2013, 11:51 PM
Jacobus Carvallo Hi SDW... need suggestion how... 08-21-2013, 11:53 PM
Mohamed Sultan Try 3-1-4-2. Attacking, down... 08-22-2013, 01:03 AM
sdw If you read my post you'll... 08-22-2013, 09:36 AM
weipin89 How u would counter a... 08-23-2013, 02:33 AM
sdw 4-5-1 V style formation. 08-23-2013, 09:08 AM
blazer2704 Thanks alot just an amazing... 08-27-2013, 09:34 PM
Luis Leal I'm playing a stronger... 08-28-2013, 02:50 PM
djpitt Need help to counter this: ... 09-03-2013, 11:41 AM
crsbrwn2000 Checked the first post, you... 09-11-2013, 09:43 AM
HULIANO His team 12148 My team... 09-12-2013, 06:13 PM
dqb really nice post! what i kind... 02-21-2014, 02:05 PM
Sng Kwang Peng How abt if the opp plays 4... 02-21-2014, 03:01 PM
shakiraa Hi sdw, how about tactic... 02-22-2014, 02:52 PM
Peter Ngan Hi sdw, Need your... 02-24-2014, 12:50 AM
Peter Ngan any thought? 5-3-2 defensive? 02-25-2014, 05:03 AM
Mantas How to beat 4-3w-1-2? 02-24-2014, 07:37 PM
Sxrenity Labas Mantas :) I'd use... 02-24-2014, 08:59 PM
akjells But if our opponent is not... 02-26-2014, 11:48 AM
Sxrenity Yes, if the opponent doesn't... 02-26-2014, 02:43 PM
Betova14 What do you suggest to... 03-29-2014, 06:51 PM
zh1vk0 How to beat 4-3N-3 ? 04-15-2014, 07:40 PM
Xenomorph hi man, thanks for the thread... 05-11-2014, 06:50 AM
meis Do we need more urban legend... 05-11-2014, 08:45 AM
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    You suggest 4-3-2-1 as an option to counter 4-4-2 standard, but I only have 1 AMC, so what about a 4-3-1-2, which would be just replacing the DMC in a 4-1-2-1-2 for another MC. (DL, DC, DC, DR, MC, MC, MC, AMC, ST, ST).
    I used 4-1-2-1-2 to counter this 4-2-2 in the cup against a 2pt lower team (23.9 vs 21.4) and got a 2-2 tie at home which is a pretty bad result for the second leg away. So that's why I'm looking for a smoother solution.

    So, in the end, would a 4-3-2-1 be better than 4-1-2-1-2? I think so since you suggest that there's no need for a DMC if he uses no AMC, and replacing it for another MC should strengthen the midfield where he is using 4 guys, so that would be just 1 down. What do you guys think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marchelo1988 View Post
    You suggest 4-3-2-1 as an option to counter 4-4-2 standard, but I only have 1 AMC, so what about a 4-3-1-2, which would be just replacing the DMC in a 4-1-2-1-2 for another MC. (DL, DC, DC, DR, MC, MC, MC, AMC, ST, ST).
    I used 4-1-2-1-2 to counter this 4-2-2 in the cup against a 2pt lower team (23.9 vs 21.4) and got a 2-2 tie at home which is a pretty bad result for the second leg away. So that's why I'm looking for a smoother solution.

    So, in the end, would a 4-3-2-1 be better than 4-1-2-1-2? I think so since you suggest that there's no need for a DMC if he uses no AMC, and replacing it for another MC should strengthen the midfield where he is using 4 guys, so that would be just 1 down. What do you guys think?
    4-3-2-1 is effective according to most of players,but according to me.Yes,4-3-1-2 is effective against 4-4-2 cuz you stop his flang,and you have AMC instead his absense of DMC...But this 4-3-1-2 with ML and MR... I dont have experience with 4-3N-1-2(with three MC's) against 4-4-2,but I think is not so good,cuz he will attack you from the flanks.Conclusion : you dont need DMC,you need to stop his flanks and attack him with AMC with mixed passes.It will be good with attacking thru the middle,but in this game this type attack is not so effective and it's pity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdw View Post
    4-3-2-1 is effective according to most of players,but according to me.Yes,4-3-1-2 is effective against 4-4-2 cuz you stop his flang,and you have AMC instead his absense of DMC...But this 4-3-1-2 with ML and MR... I dont have experience with 4-3N-1-2(with three MC's) against 4-4-2,but I think is not so good,cuz he will attack you from the flanks.Conclusion : you dont need DMC,you need to stop his flanks and attack him with AMC with mixed passes.It will be good with attacking thru the middle,but in this game this type attack is not so effective and it's pity.
    So, against the 4-4-2 standard, all in all, what would you advise, a 4-3n-1-2 with everybody playing in their position or a 4-3-2-1 playing with a MC or ST (the one that would be better in this case) as the 2nd AMC -because I only have one-?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marchelo1988 View Post
    So, against the 4-4-2 standard, all in all, what would you advise, a 4-3n-1-2 with everybody playing in their position or a 4-3-2-1 playing with a MC or ST (the one that would be better in this case) as the 2nd AMC -because I only have one-?
    I ended up using the 4-3-2-1 but with the 3 wide (ML-MC-MR) despite not having ML nor MR to cover the flanks, and despite being tiying 1-1 at halftime I unchecked counterattack and switched to short passes and won 1-4

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    Hi do you think that is there any difference (i mean chemistry ) if you play the same formation all the time..or you change it very often.
    and second question im gonna play against stronger opponent wich is playing 413W2 what formation do you thing i should play ? thank you ! (i was thinking about 3W3W2AML,AMR2)
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    thanks for this thread man!

    But regarding the 4-1-2-1-2 narrow diamond. I've tried using 4-5-1 V against it the last two seasons and ever since the game-engine update 2 seasons ago, I always lose even if I have a better team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hullabaloo View Post
    thanks for this thread man!

    But regarding the 4-1-2-1-2 narrow diamond. I've tried using 4-5-1 V against it the last two seasons and ever since the game-engine update 2 seasons ago, I always lose even if I have a better team.
    Dont know man.I always beat this formation.What mentality do u use?

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    What what you suggest against a better Team which is playing
    3W (DR DC DL) -2(DMC DMC)-2(MC MC)-3(ST ST ST)? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kameltreiber View Post
    What what you suggest against a better Team which is playing
    3W (DR DC DL) -2(DMC DMC)-2(MC MC)-3(ST ST ST)? Thanks.
    It depends how he uses the arrows .I think he uses red arrows on his MC's.He has two DMC's,so he will stop your AML/AMR/AMC very easy.Your purpose is to beat his center to gain ball posession and stop his counter-attacks cuz he has a lot of strikers.I'll be honest,for three years I never see such as formation but I think this is the purpose,beat him with 3-5-2.

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