Training and Counter-Formation Tutorial

[Marchelo1988]

You suggest 4-3-2-1 as an option to counter 4-4-2 standard, but I only have 1 AMC, so what about a 4-3-1-2, which would be just replacing the DMC in a 4-1-2-1-2 for another MC. (DL, DC, DC, DR, MC, MC, MC, AMC, ST, ST).
I used 4-1-2-1-2 to counter this 4-2-2 in the cup against a 2pt lower team (23.9 vs 21.4) and got a 2-2 tie at home which is a pretty bad result for the second leg away. So that's why I'm looking for a smoother solution.

So, in the end, would a 4-3-2-1 be better than 4-1-2-1-2? I think so since you suggest that there's no need for a DMC if he uses no AMC, and replacing it for another MC should strengthen the midfield where he is using 4 guys, so that would be just 1 down. What do you guys think?

[sdw]

You suggest 4-3-2-1 as an option to counter 4-4-2 standard, but I only have 1 AMC, so what about a 4-3-1-2, which would be just replacing the DMC in a 4-1-2-1-2 for another MC. (DL, DC, DC, DR, MC, MC, MC, AMC, ST, ST).
I used 4-1-2-1-2 to counter this 4-2-2 in the cup against a 2pt lower team (23.9 vs 21.4) and got a 2-2 tie at home which is a pretty bad result for the second leg away. So that's why I'm looking for a smoother solution.

So, in the end, would a 4-3-2-1 be better than 4-1-2-1-2? I think so since you suggest that there's no need for a DMC if he uses no AMC, and replacing it for another MC should strengthen the midfield where he is using 4 guys, so that would be just 1 down. What do you guys think?

4-3-2-1 is effective according to most of players,but according to me.Yes,4-3-1-2 is effective against 4-4-2 cuz you stop his flang,and you have AMC instead his absense of DMC...But this 4-3-1-2 with ML and MR... I dont have experience with 4-3N-1-2(with three MC's) against 4-4-2,but I think is not so good,cuz he will attack you from the flanks.Conclusion : you dont need DMC,you need to stop his flanks and attack him with AMC with mixed passes.It will be good with attacking thru the middle,but in this game this type attack is not so effective and it's pity.

[Marchelo1988]

4-3-2-1 is effective according to most of players,but according to me.Yes,4-3-1-2 is effective against 4-4-2 cuz you stop his flang,and you have AMC instead his absense of DMC...But this 4-3-1-2 with ML and MR... I dont have experience with 4-3N-1-2(with three MC's) against 4-4-2,but I think is not so good,cuz he will attack you from the flanks.Conclusion : you dont need DMC,you need to stop his flanks and attack him with AMC with mixed passes.It will be good with attacking thru the middle,but in this game this type attack is not so effective and it's pity.

So, against the 4-4-2 standard, all in all, what would you advise, a 4-3n-1-2 with everybody playing in their position or a 4-3-2-1 playing with a MC or ST (the one that would be better in this case) as the 2nd AMC -because I only have one-?

[Marchelo1988]

So, against the 4-4-2 standard, all in all, what would you advise, a 4-3n-1-2 with everybody playing in their position or a 4-3-2-1 playing with a MC or ST (the one that would be better in this case) as the 2nd AMC -because I only have one-?

I ended up using the 4-3-2-1 but with the 3 wide (ML-MC-MR) despite not having ML nor MR to cover the flanks, and despite being tiying 1-1 at halftime I unchecked counterattack and switched to short passes and won 1-4

[Lasike]

Hi do you think that is there any difference (i mean chemistry ) if you play the same formation all the time..or you change it very often.
and second question im gonna play against stronger opponent wich is playing 413W2 what formation do you thing i should play ? thank you ! (i was thinking about 3W3W2AML,AMR2)

[hullabaloo]

thanks for this thread man!

But regarding the 4-1-2-1-2 narrow diamond. I've tried using 4-5-1 V against it the last two seasons and ever since the game-engine update 2 seasons ago, I always lose even if I have a better team.

[sdw]

thanks for this thread man!

But regarding the 4-1-2-1-2 narrow diamond. I've tried using 4-5-1 V against it the last two seasons and ever since the game-engine update 2 seasons ago, I always lose even if I have a better team.

Dont know man.I always beat this formation.What mentality do u use?

[Cicoba Treytes Ibr]

What do you think about man to man??

[Kameltreiber]

What what you suggest against a better Team which is playing
3W (DR DC DL) -2(DMC DMC)-2(MC MC)-3(ST ST ST)? Thanks.

[sdw]

What what you suggest against a better Team which is playing
3W (DR DC DL) -2(DMC DMC)-2(MC MC)-3(ST ST ST)? Thanks.

It depends how he uses the arrows .I think he uses red arrows on his MC's.He has two DMC's,so he will stop your AML/AMR/AMC very easy.Your purpose is to beat his center to gain ball posession and stop his counter-attacks cuz he has a lot of strikers.I'll be honest,for three years I never see such as formation but I think this is the purpose,beat him with 3-5-2.