Making negotiations work again

Negotiations is a brilliant idea of the game but it’s not working.

Here some suggestions we did from the Greek forum , this thread, hopping that it can work better.
http://forum.topeleven.com/%CE%A0%CF...tml#post419373

1) The manager/buyer would be able to see the profile/team of the manager/seller. With that, he can have info about what is the active quality of the player for his team (a 6*-7* player is valuable for this team and the other manager probably won’t sell him – at least not with few token). Also from the roster of the team, he can understand how valuable is this player.
He can figure out if the manager/seller is an active one, his team is set, his titles or current league position. His finance too.

2) When we ‘re checking the profiles of managers/sellers, to be able to see if they ‘re active at that time (like our team mates in associations).

3) When a player reach the wanted quality for nego list (1 sp from next star, like the old version), then he ‘ll stop gaining quality. At that moment we must have a sign.
* because majority of managers don't understand when a player is ready for the list, now with the new version with %.

Here comes the Mourinho who ‘ll say that our player is ready for nego list.
Do you agree to set him there permanently ?
If we choose yes, then our player will be permanently in nego list.
We can use him in games but he won’t earn any more quality.
Not from game or training gaining, not from MoM title or the daily gift sp.

4) We ‘ll be able to see our player in nego list (of course not to make an offer).

5) When we put our player in nego list, we can set a minimum token price for us.
There can be a second column with the token we want, besides the fix tokens for the nordeus, or something like 8+2 T.
With that way, we avoid those silly 0T offers and the other managers can understand that we must get some T too (because many believe that from the T price they see, some or all of them are going to the manager/seller ).
Next day, we can change the fix T price if we want.

6) Nordeus could have only the fix token and not extra tokens from the offers.
It’s not clear that for every offer, there is the same amount for nordeus too. After all, the price is getting very high.
A 25 y.o. player needs 8 tokens fix, if we make an offer of 3 token it’s 8+3+3=14 token for a player who ‘ll be 6* the next day but he ‘ll stay in medium 6* quality all the season.
Next season he ‘ll be a medium 5* who you can’t sell easily.
The profit from nordeus can be that nego will start to be active again and managers ‘ll start selling and buying more.

7) After 12 hours, which is half the circle of a day, we ‘ll be able to cancel our offer if we don’t see any response.

8) To be able to loan players from the list.
If a manager/buyer wants to test a player, he gives 1T to the manager/seller and 1T for nordeus and can use the player for one day. He can give boosters to this player but the manager/seller gets the player back as he was before the loan.
This player in the list has an indication that he is loan for the next ….. hours (decreasing clock).

9) To be able to make offers to managers from other servers too (from fb or associations).

10) Chat option between the managers. Or at list some fix questions/answers (like, how much token do you want ? __ / I want __ token / not for sail ).

11) A second nego list were the players aren’t 1 sp from the next star but they have quality of _4 or _9 (34, 49, 74, 159 …) .
So to be able to have some players permanently for sale.

12) For players 30 y.o. and above, must see how many more active years they have.

good suggestion.

Indeed I like it. Some of the things you first posted were visible in old version, so I don't understand why there aren't anymore. And agreed Nordeus will make a lot more cash like this, so a good business idea. Many great managers have great ideas on this forum, but sadly close to none important and good ones are implemented. Any good business in the world works best when you listen to your costumers and talk to them, and implement some ideas especially if they are good for business. I don't know and can't understand why that's not the case here. I've worked a long time as a Stock Broker and you guys from Nordeus aren't doing what's best for your company at this point, I can tell you that for sure, and I know many players would agree. Thanks !

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Any good business in the world works best when you listen to your costumers and talk to them, and implement some ideas especially if they are good for business. I don't know and can't understand why that's not the case here. I've worked a long time as a Stock Broker and you guys from Nordeus aren't doing what's best for your company at this point, I can tell you that for sure, and I know many players would agree. Thanks !

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I 'm electric engineer but worked in sales too (and partial marketing too).
This forum would be a real treasure for a previous job I had.
I mean, having a place where you can read what the customers saying about your products
asking questions and other customers give answers and solutions
customers who give info how this "product" can works better
report their problems
giving suggestions
I mean, this would be my paradise :p

but, we must consider that this "system" (the game, those thousand players worldwide who are playing daily live, income from sales and advertises, the relation with fb, competition, a running technology in hardware and software) is very "delicate".
A wrong decision can cost the loss of a big part of customers, maybe the next day.
So I can understand why many things looks are going too slow for us.

I have missed this thread.
Great proposals.

Transfers and negotiations can be the best part of the game if it is handled correctly.

Now it is poor

now with a case from a Greek forum member, I learned this too

Every time you increase the offer for a player, nordeus keeps a token.
{Support answer :You're missing 3 tokens because you changed your offers 3 times - every time you change your offer this costs you 1 token that you don't receive back if the offer gets rejected.}

If you do that 3 times and the other manager reject this, time has finished and you got back the token, it's 3 token less :confused:

Of course I want to add it in the first thread.
No deal, no missing tokens.

nordeus should add a new function on player.
not for sale - open for nego - setting the amount.
this way buyer/seller dont hv to waste their time waiting 24hr.

Bump!

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aha, good idea


and that's something we could add here
It's from this post
https://forum.topeleven.com/suggesti...tml#post450851

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No my starting eleven is about to 7*, all I need is money, I want to make some money by selling negotiation players that's it

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an option for the seller to increase only the money or only the token
(so two separate bars)
There are different needs for every manager and could find buyers who could respond to that.

Does anyone from nordeus ever read any concerns of the fans.
TBH i'm highly doubtful of that as i never see any kind of appreciation from their side.
Sometimes i feel you people are just making your Christmas wishlist (which never came true for me).

So Goodluck with that!!!

PS: Overall this is such an amazing helpful community but sometimes i feel no one cares at nordeus, we as fans are Just chasing shadows.

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Indeed we do read. And there has been a lot of activity in the forum from all of you guys especially for the past few weeks. We've been following and taking notes.
I can name a few of the very constructive threads right off the bat:

1) The closing of the Old flash version of Top 11
2) Our Feedback request thread
3) Some suggestions here as well - In the Top 11 ver 5.4 release thread (The Yellow penalty card info-box that pops up does feel a little intrusive. I agree)
4) Niko's "Do you like the new version" Poll from 2016 got some more attention right after the Old version closing announcement as well.

Btw I specifically like how the conversation was going in most of these threads, and the fact that they were the main platform for sharing everyone's thoughts. It's much easier to keep track of several big feedback threads than numerous small ones. This is because many of you were actually discussing your suggestions, and ideas, and thoughts. It's incredibly useful to know why each suggestion was given. Knowing what makes the players want what they want is key.
This is the benefit of the Forum structure. It's so much harder to get comprehensive feedback from platforms such as Facebook and Twitter (to a lesser degree).

Anyway, don't worry, we're here. There's been a lot to digest for a while here in the forum and it can feel like a daunting task sometimes. But nothing you guys and gals write is worthless, especially if you bring it to the table in a comprehensive package of data - Structure your thoughts when expressing them so it's easier for the audience to understand and follow your trail of thought, that's all. ;)


Speaking of which - @Niko that's a great post up there. Quite an elaborate rework (or rather an expansion?), of the Negotiations system in the game. It shows you've put a lot of thought behind each point you make!

Keep writing and sharing your suggestions everyone, think them through and post.

Mind, same goes for criticism. We don't shy away from it, but since criticism often comes from the presence of frustration it can become non-constructive. That makes it hard to comprehend and most of all analyze. Ultimatums are bad as well because they follow the same unproductive formula each time: "Either do this or that will happen", but why not a third option? A middle ground if you may. Top 11 is an online game, it's ever growing so even if something doesn't happen right on the spot that doesn't mean that any door is shut for ever. Rather we have a limited amount of people that we can point to walk through each door at a time and not to mention that eventually some doors have to be unhinged and placed somewhere else to open up "new rooms for improvement" while old rooms are closed off while a wall or two is being brought down to combine said old rooms with others, this way expanding the available space (for improvement) further and in more interesting ways. :)

Apologies for the long analogy. :D
I hope you understand my point everyone.

Btw 2017 has only started, we have a lot of months ahead of us and I think you should expect to see the fruit of our labor further in to the year still. We don't want to let you down, it just takes time to deliver. :(

The problem for me isn't that nord guys don't pay attention but it's that things are getting slowly.
I mean from the beginning of this year, there were 3 new features

from here
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...-february.html

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- Get ready to manage a larger Squad! Now your club can have 25 players on signed contracts instead of 22.

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- I remember I made this suggestion one year before, after the new training system (which needs more available players to get the bonus)

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- The rules for healing loaned players have been updated. The owner Manager of loaned players can have them healed by other members of his association up to a maximum of 5 rests (5 rests is a global limit for all loaned players) per day.

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- This issue was bothering the forum (and not only) community for many months

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- One of your club legends may decide that it is still too early to retire... If certain requirements are met, from the middle of next season the system may chose one of your players that is close to retiring to have their contract renewed for another season.

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- This was one of the very old suggestions of the forum

Also was the experiment with the refund of tokens (something that didn't enthused the players, maybe cause at that days the tm was really weird).

So totally 4 features in 3 months.
Considering that only that thread has at least 10 gathered suggestions (thanks for your good words Jeeves, credits go to more members of the Greek forum, it was a team job)
and as I was counting, there must be at least 120 suggestions from the beginning of the year here in this section (many of them remarkable)
it needs 10 years to implement just them - lol.

Of course I have to admit that we, the regular forum members are more exited and impatient for new features.
(or already missing some old ones from the previous browser version- about 20 more suggestions here https://forum.topeleven.com/suggesti...-requests.html )

But you know, there is a known motto/quote in some seminars I 've watched
"How do we eat an elephant ?
- Take one bite at a time"

If this thread has to many suggestions, devs could start with 2-3 basics , like giving to the captain the gift s.p., putting the MoM in training s.a. or adding 2 tokens in the fixed price of the nego player , going to the manager-seller (as a start).

Also there are some issues which are frustrated for the T11 players.
Like playing in a +1 lv CH.L.
There are so many complains , not only here https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...aw-system.html but in many other posts of the forum.
And there isn't a single one post saying, ah ok, I like the challenge of playing with a +1LV opponent at CH.L. . :p
So many people cannot understand why there is such a delay in the response of the game creators in something so frustrated and unfair.

Finally remember that some (austere, some times not fair) critics aren't from moaners but for people who are passionate with that game
(like me :o )

Cheers

There sure are a lot of suggestions on the forum Niko, and the larger part of those suggestions make a lot of sense and user's have put much thought behind them.

You can certainly imagine how huge my feedback report is at this point - You've been in this forum for years! haha
We're discussing big chunks of the feedback on a regular basis here. But keep in mind that all suggestions are placed under a certain priority level. This prioritization has little to do with how interesting the suggestion is but rather with how possible it is to implement it as an actual feature or balance change or otherwise and in what timeframe it can be done given the state of the game as it is currently and the game's code. Jeez sometimes it feels like we're doing one of those old Number-slider Puzzles (Google it). In order to put one thing in the game you have to make room by shifting other things.

Btw I get that people here are passionate about the game, and the harshness of some users' words here isn't the only measuring stick for this, but rather the fact that you all stick around through good and bad. But hey this is the ecosystem of any forum. People mostly share their thoughts when its about something negative (That's why support channels are a complete hell sometimes hah), if a user is happy with a game he/she just... happily plays along and enjoys it. But hey this is why forums are functionally better than a lot of social channels due to the nature of communication.

Anyway, I see that I should leave some more comments around the forum to signify the fact that we are here among you all and have our ears wide open (eyes?).

P.S. So the Negotiation's rework suggestion is a joint operation huh? :D
I'll admit that I might be roaming around the non-english sub-forums with my trusty Google Translate at the side ready to tackle any correspondence... but you can imagine how much of an understanding I'm getting with that thing.

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Anyway, I see that I should leave some more comments around the forum to signify the fact that we are here among you all and have our ears wide open (eyes?).

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seeing your post here on Sunday, I guess you are - lol

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I'll admit that I might be roaming around the non-english sub-forums with my trusty Google Translate at the side ready to tackle any correspondence... but you can imagine how much of an understanding I'm getting with that thing.

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OMG, if you 'll try to use my new mini-guide "Do the right thing" from the Greek forum
https://forum.topeleven.com/%CE%95%C...%84%CF%8C.html

using google translate :rolleyes:

you 'll end up loosing 0-5 or more
lol

Adding another suggestion
When we have a player in negotiation list, to be able to change his name without paying one token.
So we can write how many tokens we want.
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The buyer also can change his name without giving a token.

a message box need to be added in game , in case we can talk with others to negotiat for players

Bump!!!!!

One last suggestion is that the devs should work more to improve the game in things like that instead of making updates with recommended who cost 1000 :rolleyes: tokens or like the latest, with the wrong visibility of team's quality.

I read that an hour ago, in a TE fb group.
A guy who 's playing the game one year :o

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You should add in the first post that when we 're buying a player from nego list (or direct offer), we cannot sell him again this season.
This is to prevent the upselling

creating mutants
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...ilities-6.html

Nothing,
after two years :(

Negotiations should be droppped. I don't even bother to look at that page

Hmmm

Funny how this thread has gone dry. I feel like getting a look into team you're buying from or negotiating with is long over due.. And it's one of the easiest things the top eleven guys can do. I wonder why they don't want to do it...

Basically I should be able to look into the team i am buying from.

Also, canceling an offer after 12hrs is another long overdue idea.. Funny that, even when a seller sets an amount for a player that I cannot afford, I still cannot cancel the offer until after 24hrs, I mean that's basic, and shouldn't be difficult to include that.


Ability to decide if a player should be included in the negotiations list of not.. Again long over due. Annoying when offers starts popping in your phone for a player who's invaluable to you. Again, small adjustments nordeous could add..


I don't really care about the tokens they want for buying players, But all these little things, they're the easiest things to include. As a guy said in this thread about 2 years ago now, they don't really care about us the players. I'm inclined to agree

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Indeed we do read. And there has been a lot of activity in the forum from all of you guys especially for the past few weeks. We've been following and taking notes.

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@Jeeves saying before two years.
I wonder if nego have some update with the 2019 version.

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Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας

@Jeeves saying before two years.
I wonder if nego have some update with the 2019 version.

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I wonder if Jeeves is still at the job, I mean it's been 2yrs. Jeeves might have moved on..

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Originally Posted by eurofieds

I wonder if Jeeves is still at the job, I mean it's been 2yrs. Jeeves might have moved on..

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I think Jeeves has indeed moved on. Rumour was that Bertie Wooster got married.

I don't know if Jeeves is still in nordeus or in some other job but he is not involved in the forum half a year or more.
Sausy is in his place but anyway, the adms just forward those subjects to the devs and nordeus managers.
The sad thing is that we 've never had some feedback from the devs, for example why they cannot implement some suggestions.

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Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας

I don't know if Jeeves is still in nordeus or in some other job but he is not involved in the forum half a year or more.
Sausy is in his place but anyway, the adms just forward those subjects to the devs and nordeus managers.
The sad thing is that we 've never had some feedback from the devs, for example why they cannot implement some suggestions.

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Probably they don't feel like they owe us any explanation.. It's in cases like this that you'd appreciate a competition. Had there been another similar game, I bet nordeous will sit up pretty quickly..

But then, we are loyal, and going else where to start all over would've been a very difficult situation personally.

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we are loyal

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it's not that we are loyal :p
If there was a much better fm game than TE, we all would left it for that.
But you see, all have problems or cons (you can search for this in google play - read the critics for any relative game).
So we just stay here because there are a lot of players, a big community and we know how to play it.

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Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας

it's not that we are loyal :p
If there was a much better fm game than TE, we all would left it for that.
But you see, all have problems or cons (you can search for this in google play - read the critics for any relative game).
So we just stay here because there are a lot of players, a big community and we know how to play it.

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While i don't disagree with this, the attitude from nordeous towards the players is very wrong. How can a community be screaming for some very obvious changes for 2 years and you won't even as little as tell us why you cannot implement it or why it's the wrong move.. Thing is they're not even talking to us, which honestly hurts me more than not doing the changes we want.


It's a matter of time before folks start sourcing better options

update
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...3rd-march.html

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Negotiations Window
From the upcoming season, direct transfers through Negotiations will only be available during the last week of a season. The Negotiations Window will be open from the 22nd to the 28th day of a Season. Making or receiving offers for players will not be possible outside of the window.

Player Negotiation
In addition to that, a single player will only be able to be directly transferred through Negotiations one time per season.

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Once per season is a good idea, as a matter of fact, I recommended that to prevent the creation of mutants with upselling from one account to another.

But the limit of the 3 first weeks has no logic and when it will start, it's gonna be the end of negotiations.

I 'm very disappointed as we worked with some other guys to give ideas for improving the game :(

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

update
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...3rd-march.html



Once per season is a good idea, as a matter of fact, I recommended that to prevent the creation of mutants with upselling from one account to another.

But the limit of the 3 first weeks has no logic and when it will start, it's gonna be the end of negotiations.

I 'm very disappointed as we worked with some other guys to give ideas for improving the game :(

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They sure paid close attention to our suggestions:rolleyes: