Tanking - the Sisyphus project

Tanking is good, it's useful for managers who don't have access for for farming or cannot buy so to get a little stronger team.
Also an option for players who want to take a break without loosing some levels (as the game doesn't give save/load option).

I see many complains, mainly about associations.
So my idea is
- One tanking season team staying in the same level and increasing the quality.
- Second tanking season, the team loose one star (without promote or demote)

repeat above
like the myth of Sisyphus
https://www.greekmythology.com/Myths.../sisyphus.html

With the combination of this
https://forum.topeleven.com/suggesti...A-players.html

can fix the problem with asso tricksters

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

So my idea is
- One tanking season team staying in the same level and increasing the quality.
- Second tanking season, the team loose one star (without promote or demote)

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or the second tanking season, players do not gain any % or stop winning tokens and deducting an amount of money ....

There are many ideas but better avoid complicate suggestions that may cause bugs or misunderstanding.
-1 star every second tanking season is an easy & clear implement

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

There are many ideas but better avoid complicate suggestions that may cause bugs or misunderstanding.
-1 star every second tanking season is an easy & clear implement

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Unless of course you tank 1 season and then find yourself in a league full of previous seasons tankers who are all trying to avoid the penalty of failing to level up.

If you want a realistic football game tanking needs to be eliminated. There should of course be a holiday mode but nordeus wouldn't like that idea as they want you to worry about your team losing %

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well, T11 can't be realistic in many sections (for example fixing injuries).
It's just a game based on football.
For more realism, we should have few teams demoted but this will cause more problems and exploit.

Let's face it.
Tanking never was a problem.
It's that many association teams using it for abusing (check many of Top 100 teams).

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

well, T11 can't be realistic in many sections (for example fixing injuries).
It's just a game based on football.
For more realism, we should have few teams demoted but this will cause more problems and exploit.

Let's face it.
Tanking never was a problem.
It's that many association teams using it for abusing (check many of Top 100 teams).

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You are totally right. Maybe for associations, your team loses 20% no matter what? I think that would make things interesting. The only potential problem, would be that your players will appear different every weekend.
:p

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Originally Posted by smk fc

You are totally right. Maybe for associations, your team loses 20% no matter what? I think that would make things interesting. The only potential problem, would be that your players will appear different every weekend.
:p

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we must look for simple solutions as we all know how "fragile" is the game.
Keep that in mind ;)

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

we must look for simple solutions as we all know how "fragile" is the game.
Keep that in mind ;)

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Agreed!

It's different if you 're just staying in the same season because you 're making a break, have vacations or work to do or family things
from staying in the same season on purpose, to get stronger or to keep your team as 9*-10* for your association.

Observe associations top100.
There are many teams there (spot Turkish groups) which got a 8-9-10* players from loans cheat and when it stopped they stay in League, on purpose.

I don't give a **** about asso games anymore but you can face such a team in the Cup or in the Champions/Super League as some of them manage to win it every season.
Some others can play in Leagues with their normal team for some games, if there is a contest and want to gather points.

I agree with this suggestion because all those pro tankers, gonna drop quality after some seasons.

First : Tanking in real football exists and gaining stars is similar to players who are gaining experience... it's a choice and a right for every manager and no body has the right to object it ... but it can be regulated by making it difficult or unfavorable by stop providing tokens during the tanking season(s) ...

The real problem of tanking is related to the associations (as stated by Nikolgiorgos )

It can be easily fixed by two ways ::

1- STOP SHOWING 3 AND 4 STARS PLAYERS ON THE AUCTION

2- Allow managers to join / leave an association and captains to kick members ONLY at the end of each season and before the beginning of the new league ( 2 days /48 hours only )

Agree -1 level every second season team remains level is good.
If a manager remains in same level for 2 seasons in a row:
1. he is tanking, so we have to stop exploit of tanking
2. he has abandoned his team, who cares if he loses a star
3. he has bad team and this will motivate him to invest buying new players

The absolute mess start from Asso the exploiter, cheat tanking or whatsoever trick you can imagine. All for the TOKEN and hence creating so many useless account. So reward TOKEN to dedicated managers who run his team season after season winning title in league cup and ucl. Reward them they truly desreve for being competitive. So tanking no rewards.

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I have a different point of view on this.
If we look at the cup, league and CL draws, the teams are drawn in such a way that anyone can be the winner.
Sure, you may be at a disadvantage sometimes, but you can still win.
If you have a 4* team, you get drawn against other 4*/5* teams in these competitions (there are anomalies of course)
You wont be paired against a team that is 2* greater than yours in cup or CL.

So, that doesnt justify a tanking season.
There should be a 20% uniform deduction for all teams, irrespective of position in league.

I actually have some ideas to maybe change this Asso concept.

Here is my idea

You can still keep your Asso but there will be no weekend tournament anymore your Asso members will compete as usual in their League, CL league and Cup in there respective level.

There will be a leaderboard just like the mini challenge according to your Team quality like now in Asso.

We go by point from each member matches in their League CL and Cup.

Win 3 Draw 1 Lose 0 depending on how many matches you play. Full matches will be 52 if I am right, 26 league, Cl and Cup to the final. League winner 40pt runners up 30pt third 20pt 4th 10. Cl and Cup champion 20pt runners up 10.

So the Asso team that sit on top of the leaderboard end of season win and rewarded.

So this way i think tanker and expoiter wins nothing. Only dedicated manager win.

So managers share your ideas and improve my suggestion here.

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Originally Posted by HairDryer

The absolute mess start from Asso the exploiter, cheat tanking or whatsoever trick you can imagine. All for the TOKEN and hence creating so many useless account. So reward TOKEN to dedicated managers who run his team season after season winning title in league cup and ucl. Reward them they truly desreve for being competitive. So tanking no rewards.

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I agree, there should be free tokens for loyalty too, been playing the game everyday for 5 years of my life, surely that's a milestone lol. The longer you play the more free loyalty tokens you get etc

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I agree totally with,

Nordeus should just ban tanking at least not effective growing stronger than 120% for example.. just no very little gain in training and games.. to make the game more fair for everyone

I agree. 120% max q if tanking.