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    Breaking NEWS - Clear out at Perfect Tactics
    Perfect Tactics are falling apart... No CL win in 2 seasons and no cup win in 8 seasons. The manager is clearly very unhappy with most of his players and will be selling most of his star players next season.

    Crazy? Not at all, it seems as though some of our star players have been seriously under performing this season and it ultimately cost us the CL. With so many low ratings across the board, we may have to invest in new players to PT. Most of our players are getting old and it will cost far too much to PT them back to 7*.

    We are starting with our midfield. I think it's time to say bye to Silly and Zenzizenzike. They have been getting far too many yellow cards for our liking and get too many low ratings in matches.

    In goal, long serving Luigi De Mafia will be thrown out of the squad after failing to prove himself worthy of having a special ability! What a useless goalkeeper, constant failures and doesn't even save that many 1 vs 1 shots... I think he's only made 1 save from that position.

    In defence, Xander Van der Zande will be gone unfortunately. We trained him up to 7* as well as give him a special ability but his string of low ratings cost us.
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    I have this season's average ratings for each player. The mobile app tells you this on the stats page so it's pretty useful to see who has been consistently crap or good

    • De Mafia (GK) - 6.7
    • Van der Zande (DEF) - 6.8
    • Magill (DEF) - 7.4
    • Vittalone (DEF) - 7.3
    • Warmwater (DEF) - 7.0
    • Hardy (DEF/DM) - 7.0
    • Silly (MID) - 6.8
    • Zenzizenzike (MID) - 6.5
    • Nascimento (AM/ST) - 7.5
    • Petersen (AM) - 8.0
    • Pistov (ST) - 7.4
    • Shlimazl (ST) - 7.5
    • Goff (DEF) - 6.6
    • Poncet (MID) - 6.6


    As you can see, the players highlighted in red are the players who have been seriously under performing this season! They have cost us the match and that cannot happen next season! All players in red will not be in the first team!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by dv8r View Post
    Breaking NEWS - Clear out at Perfect Tactics
    Perfect Tactics are falling apart... No CL win in 2 seasons and no cup win in 8 seasons. The manager is clearly very unhappy with most of his players and will be selling most of his star players next season.

    Crazy? Not at all, it seems as though some of our star players have been seriously under performing this season and it ultimately cost us the CL. With so many low ratings across the board, we may have to invest in new players to PT. Most of our players are getting old and it will cost far too much to PT them back to 7*.

    We are starting with our midfield. I think it's time to say bye to Silly and Zenzizenzike. They have been getting far too many yellow cards for our liking and get too many low ratings in matches.

    In goal, long serving Luigi De Mafia will be thrown out of the squad after failing to prove himself worthy of having a special ability! What a useless goalkeeper, constant failures and doesn't even save that many 1 vs 1 shots... I think he's only made 1 save from that position.

    In defence, Xander Van der Zande will be gone unfortunately. We trained him up to 7* as well as give him a special ability but his string of low ratings cost us.
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    I have this season's average ratings for each player. The mobile app tells you this on the stats page so it's pretty useful to see who has been consistently crap or good

    • De Mafia (GK) - 6.7
    • Van der Zande (DEF) - 6.8
    • Magill (DEF) - 7.4
    • Vittalone (DEF) - 7.3
    • Warmwater (DEF) - 7.0
    • Hardy (DEF/DM) - 7.0
    • Silly (MID) - 6.8
    • Zenzizenzike (MID) - 6.5
    • Nascimento (AM/ST) - 7.5
    • Petersen (AM) - 8.0
    • Pistov (ST) - 7.4
    • Shlimazl (ST) - 7.5
    • Goff (DEF) - 6.6
    • Poncet (MID) - 6.6


    As you can see, the players highlighted in red are the players who have been seriously under performing this season! They have cost us the match and that cannot happen next season! All players in red will not be in the first team!!
    i think you're taking it way too hard on yourself. You were gone for 90% of the season and yet won the league and went into CL final. But the team obviously underperformed due to you not following the matches all through the season. With my alts accounts i notice i seriously continuosly lose to a lot weaker teams not following matches, and it repeats even if i come back for 3-4 of them. You should slowly rebuild you team yet not crushing it brand new. After all you are one of the very few people out there who held a player able to score over 60 goals per season for a lot of seasons. You should consider also a revamp to your module and tactics much more than using new players, it will both make the game funnier to play, give you new ideas and ways of play it, and make you brainload over exploring new ways. Using the same old 4-5-1 / butterfly setup for endles seasons counting more on the Quality then on the adptability is just boring, and basically, surpassed.

    BTW, most of my players apart 4-5 ranges between 6,5 and 6,9 avg, which i for me a good enough score. I'd be good even on a 6, and not good on everything less than it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan O'Bree View Post
    i think you're taking it way too hard on yourself. You were gone for 90% of the season and yet won the league and went into CL final. But the team obviously underperformed due to you not following the matches all through the season. With my alts accounts i notice i seriously continuosly lose to a lot weaker teams not following matches, and it repeats even if i come back for 3-4 of them. You should slowly rebuild you team yet not crushing it brand new. After all you are one of the very few people out there who held a player able to score over 60 goals per season for a lot of seasons. You should consider also a revamp to your module and tactics much more than using new players, it will both make the game funnier to play, give you new ideas and ways of play it, and make you brainload over exploring new ways. Using the same old 4-5-1 / butterfly setup for endles seasons counting more on the Quality then on the adptability is just boring, and basically, surpassed.

    BTW, most of my players apart 4-5 ranges between 6,5 and 6,9 avg, which i for me a good enough score. I'd be good even on a 6, and not good on everything less than it.
    Hmm what do you suggest I do? I'm not sure about countering formations all the time either... Any tips?


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    Quote Originally Posted by dv8r View Post
    Hmm what do you suggest I do? I'm not sure about countering formations all the time either... Any tips?
    I'll tell you what i usually do for every match and generally every season:

    1)I rejuvenate my team with about 3 young players, one per sector or basically where the previous star player won't retain or will cost a lot to retain what for me is the set quality as main 11 player.

    2)I do PT with the criteria of having 1 player per sector which can jump into another one (IE: DC/DMC/MC, MC/MR/DMR, ML/AML/ST) so basically with no subs or just one i can cover all the possible formations of the game, and if not, most of them.

    3)for every match, i just basically try to spot the weakness of the other team: i never ONCE followed any counter-formation thread on here, rather i just try to figure myself what would counter that formation.

    3a) if i'm stronger, i sacrifice one player from a side (example, leaving 1 mc facing his 2 mcs) to add it into a weak zone (IEn a 3W defense, i alwais use AML/AMR with reds on simply because i believe with them pressuring the sides of defense, my 2 ST are in superiority whenever their DC is left alone).

    3b) Unless the opponent lacks totally sides or middle, i alwais play mixed: first, it let all the team touch the ball (hence you see less bad ratings - and the ones you see are clearly underperforming players who you can bench in the meanwhile)and mostly second, that way i play in the zone my opponent has chosen to play. PLaying on flanks against teams playing through middle (ie ND) surely lets you expose their weakness, but same time, since you avoid your own middle, let them expose YOUR weak points. If to that you add your MC don't touch the ball (you play on flanks), it's very probable the engine will mark them as <6 ratings hence the opponent will have easy way there.

    3c) if i'm stronger, i'll squash them. Full pitch is vital for any stronger team. Leaving them space to pressure, even if unnoticed, will lead to more chanches for them, and eventually they'll score on a fluke. I never use own half pressing, as i never once remember it worked good unless maybe you play defensive, long ball, counter on.

    4)1 ST alone won't cut it VS any defense with a 4back. Even using reds on ams, you'll get less chanches of what you should. On top, if your ST underperforms, or your AM don't score his usual 60 goals per season, you suffer. What was the last time you had your ST score more than your wingers? Leave the proper job to the proper role.

    5) if i'm doubting if a module could work or not, i usually choose among my top 3 favourites and set up a team able to morph into any of those 3 choiches without using up all subs: if it means a 8* player should start from bench, i do not care. Sometimes sacrificing a great good can bring forth a greater one, don't rely only in your top11.

    Basically, it all comes down to intuition and brain-storming. i do not keep the same module twice in the league, and i alwais modify it against even 20Q less teams.

    In the end, what i advice you is to take a two steps proget on Perfect Tactics: rejuvenate the team with 3 players going to be main 11, than take in 2-3 young (must be 18yo) as benchers. PT the first 3 into 6-7-8 stars whatever, and let the second batch grow without PTing them, or lightly doing it. The first 3 will be your main reinforcements of the season, while you'll be preparing the second batch of three to take the roles, in 1 or 2 seasons, of the players you'll know to be going to be out of optimal PT window, or just to be too old to be still main 11 from here into 1 or 2 seasons in the future. Add to that 1/2/3 possible good scouts from the list and you got yourself a team which is able to go through several seasons. After 1/2 seasons, PT heavily the second batch of players and take in a new batch as benchers. Repeat endlessy and you got the maximum result with minimum effort.

    Above all, i find this way a lot more fun than the mere "pt them all".

    I took Flanagan, Blaze, Tenma, Parker as reserves two seasons ago, they were all 18yo. In the second one they were 19 and still reserves, but catched up, in the 3rd they are main 11 on 7* avg, and i spent on them half of the tokens i'd have done by PT'ing them. Scouts from list held their position warm waiting for them to be ready, and as scouts, now that they got down on 6* or 5*, they replaced the youngsters into being benchers. Pretty handy :P

    Might write a more complete and real guid in the future, if you might find some good stuff from this mixed **** xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan O'Bree View Post
    3b) Unless the opponent lacks totally sides or middle, i alwais play mixed: first, it let all the team touch the ball (hence you see less bad ratings - and the ones you see are clearly underperforming players who you can bench in the meanwhile)and mostly second, that way i play in the zone my opponent has chosen to play. PLaying on flanks against teams playing through middle (ie ND) surely lets you expose their weakness, but same time, since you avoid your own middle, let them expose YOUR weak points. If to that you add your MC don't touch the ball (you play on flanks), it's very probable the engine will mark them as <6 ratings hence the opponent will have easy way there
    So mixed passing is better?

    And what do you mean by "let them expose my weak points"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by dv8r View Post
    So mixed passing is better?

    And what do you mean by "let them expose my weak points"?
    In real football, teams playing on flanks will have the central mids and defenders take a lot more time for "enter the game", hence their reaction at the start and sometimes for all the match will be slightly delayed, hence create openings for the opponent.

    If i would translate it in t11 form, your dcs, dmc, mcs will score a lower rating, and when even weak opponents will face them, their low rate will be calculated into the simulation hence, sometimes (more often if you face simar qualities like in cup), they will be passed. That's partially why you see 3* players performing as 9*, like you often say. Point is, it's not them rather than your players where problems lays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan O'Bree View Post
    In real football, teams playing on flanks will have the central mids and defenders take a lot more time for "enter the game", hence their reaction at the start and sometimes for all the match will be slightly delayed, hence create openings for the opponent.

    If i would translate it in t11 form, your dcs, dmc, mcs will score a lower rating, and when even weak opponents will face them, their low rate will be calculated into the simulation hence, sometimes (more often if you face simar qualities like in cup), they will be passed. That's partially why you see 3* players performing as 9*, like you often say. Point is, it's not them rather than your players where problems lays.
    I guess next season I'll have to try something out then... I did play full pitch today and I won 0-5. I was playing with pressing the own half and with counter attack but that doesn't always work.

    So what do you (yourself) do when you are playing against a weaker opponent and you
    A) are being outplayed
    B) can't score (their 3* playing like 9*)

    Just wanted to get some insight in the way you play


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    Quote Originally Posted by dv8r View Post
    Breaking NEWS - Clear out at Perfect Tactics
    Perfect Tactics are falling apart... No CL win in 2 seasons and no cup win in 8 seasons. The manager is clearly very unhappy with most of his players and will be selling most of his star players next season.

    Crazy? Not at all, it seems as though some of our star players have been seriously under performing this season and it ultimately cost us the CL. With so many low ratings across the board, we may have to invest in new players to PT. Most of our players are getting old and it will cost far too much to PT them back to 7*.

    We are starting with our midfield. I think it's time to say bye to Silly and Zenzizenzike. They have been getting far too many yellow cards for our liking and get too many low ratings in matches.

    In goal, long serving Luigi De Mafia will be thrown out of the squad after failing to prove himself worthy of having a special ability! What a useless goalkeeper, constant failures and doesn't even save that many 1 vs 1 shots... I think he's only made 1 save from that position.

    In defence, Xander Van der Zande will be gone unfortunately. We trained him up to 7* as well as give him a special ability but his string of low ratings cost us.
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    I have this season's average ratings for each player. The mobile app tells you this on the stats page so it's pretty useful to see who has been consistently crap or good

    • De Mafia (GK) - 6.7
    • Van der Zande (DEF) - 6.8
    • Magill (DEF) - 7.4
    • Vittalone (DEF) - 7.3
    • Warmwater (DEF) - 7.0
    • Hardy (DEF/DM) - 7.0
    • Silly (MID) - 6.8
    • Zenzizenzike (MID) - 6.5
    • Nascimento (AM/ST) - 7.5
    • Petersen (AM) - 8.0
    • Pistov (ST) - 7.4
    • Shlimazl (ST) - 7.5
    • Goff (DEF) - 6.6
    • Poncet (MID) - 6.6


    As you can see, the players highlighted in red are the players who have been seriously under performing this season! They have cost us the match and that cannot happen next season! All players in red will not be in the first team!!
    I've just checked out my players average rating and plenty of my players are 7.0+ or above but the player that is most likely going to win this seasons player of the season had only an average of 6.9, of course some players are more consistent than others, but I'm on about who is the best and who delivers when it really matters and who makes a big difference to us winning the trophies this season or not. Maybe these players your thinking about selling in question should maybe spend a season or 2 as a reserve rather than selling 6* players next season which will seem ridiculous especially players can perform differently from one season to another.

    I know your disappointed about the result of your Champions League final this season and you took the result quite well in the end but how many tokens are going/willing to spend next season to "replace" all these players in question and train them all to 7* next season and Petersen will soon need to be replaced, If your willing to buy/farm lots of tokens next season then it's okay to replace all those players BUT if your only working in a lower token budget like you said you would before you went on holiday, then you can't replace all those players in one.

    Whatever you decide to do in the next few days, It will be interesting to see what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dv8r View Post
    Breaking NEWS - Clear out at Perfect Tactics
    Perfect Tactics are falling apart... No CL win in 2 seasons and no cup win in 8 seasons. The manager is clearly very unhappy with most of his players and will be selling most of his star players next season.

    Crazy? Not at all, it seems as though some of our star players have been seriously under performing this season and it ultimately cost us the CL. With so many low ratings across the board, we may have to invest in new players to PT. Most of our players are getting old and it will cost far too much to PT them back to 7*.

    We are starting with our midfield. I think it's time to say bye to Silly and Zenzizenzike. They have been getting far too many yellow cards for our liking and get too many low ratings in matches.

    In goal, long serving Luigi De Mafia will be thrown out of the squad after failing to prove himself worthy of having a special ability! What a useless goalkeeper, constant failures and doesn't even save that many 1 vs 1 shots... I think he's only made 1 save from that position.

    In defence, Xander Van der Zande will be gone unfortunately. We trained him up to 7* as well as give him a special ability but his string of low ratings cost us.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    I have this season's average ratings for each player. The mobile app tells you this on the stats page so it's pretty useful to see who has been consistently crap or good

    • De Mafia (GK) - 6.7
    • Van der Zande (DEF) - 6.8
    • Magill (DEF) - 7.4
    • Vittalone (DEF) - 7.3
    • Warmwater (DEF) - 7.0
    • Hardy (DEF/DM) - 7.0
    • Silly (MID) - 6.8
    • Zenzizenzike (MID) - 6.5
    • Nascimento (AM/ST) - 7.5
    • Petersen (AM) - 8.0
    • Pistov (ST) - 7.4
    • Shlimazl (ST) - 7.5
    • Goff (DEF) - 6.6
    • Poncet (MID) - 6.6


    As you can see, the players highlighted in red are the players who have been seriously under performing this season! They have cost us the match and that cannot happen next season! All players in red will not be in the first team!!
    Can You tell me please, what app are You using to make the stats of the players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by casper™ View Post
    Can You tell me please, what app are You using to make the stats of the players?

    EDIT: Forget it. You're talking about the app of the game.
    yeap. android/ios apps let you see the average ratings

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