Mmmhhh... I'll never understand the "logic" of this game.

[cracicot]

I agree with what you have said based on no one really knows unless he is a dev of Nord. But similarly, you are claiming there are too many troll results and blaming ‘troll engine’ when it could just be factors in the engine that you dont know about. A point of playing this game...well at least for me is to test things out to find out these what kinda factors affect what.

I got a feeling that you tested a lot of things out, cant see a pattern and blame it on troll engine. Instead of just giving up why not try to see if you can find the patterns? lsnt that part of enjoyment of the game? Maybe you are right. Maybe not. Unless your the dev and can say you are completely right, I dont see why you should shoot down people who are trying to speculate how the engine works and tell anyone who would listen that there is no point since it is all random.

I am not saying it is random at all, but there is a sense of randomness to it at times.

I am not shooting hatemenow down for speculation, I am pointing out that he knows as much about the game as we do so he should not address others with the attitude that he knows how it works.

I dont profess to know everything about the game but I do look at patterns and results, contrary to your belief. I, along with many other experienced managers on this forum, know that there are serious issues withe the NGE, unexplainable ones.

[HateMeNow]

I never once addressed myself like a "knowall" nor any else like a "know****". All i did was trying to answer the OP explaining that anything you do doesnt effect player's stats. It's not like equipping excalibur to your warrior player in a mmorpg. As much as you can only speculate it'a totally obvious that a manager game CANT have an IA running like a MMORPG's one. And that's all i dictated as "wrong" so far.

As for what i wrote, as i already statd it isnt obviously a 100% sure ista kill but again i believe it's 60% accurate. My proof is that after facing SEVERAL same quality or HIGER q teams i alwais either squashed the first ones and won over the second one by sometimes higher margins. If t was one season or two i'd agree with you, but when for 8 conseutive seasons i manage to walk ito the CUP semifinals killing on my way 15-20q stronger and active team than for me it is a proof enough that not everything BUT a good part of what i believe actually works.

On the other side, i could vey well state that all you state is utter bull**** since you dont have proof to support it. But unlike you, i do believe and support other's opinions too ie the inexcusable engine trolls that come over the season. The only difference is that i do not not i will ever BLAME EVERY SINGLE asshair in this game to Nordeus devs. That is too cheap and in the end, keeps you from both having fun and winning something. In the end.

I admit many times i get troll results from the engine vs lower Q teams, but so far not once in fair matches or vs stronger teams i have been given a wrong result.

If you got more trolled than me, then you could start by trying to notice it. You talk alot and blame a lot (and sometimes rightfully) but not once i read from you any example coming from your experience. Copy/pasting others experience wont cut the ****, since simply you can just see what happened without having a true and whole situation to be observed. Should i copy/paste all the victories repprted here over same or stronger teams, it'd be a 50/50 situation. Pointless.

[kebess]

A bit of topic but I made it to the Cup finals, and I'm facing a team with the exact same quality as mine.

Here's his formation :

---X----X---

X----------X

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X----X--- -X

--X--X--X---

Extremely defensive as you can see. I'm planning on using a pretty offensive one with attacking mentality and offside trap. Something like this :


---X----X--

X----X----X

---X----X---

------------

--X--X--X--

What do you think of it ? : )

[HateMeNow]

A bit of topic but I made it to the Cup finals, and I'm facing a team with the exact same quality as mine.

Here's his formation :

---X----X---

X----------X

-------------

X----X--- -X

--X--X--X---

Extremely defensive as you can see. I'm planning on using a pretty offensive one with attacking mentality and offside trap. Something like this :


---X----X--

X----X----X

---X----X---

------------

--X--X--X--

What do you think of it ? : )

For as much as we know AMs position are to break the offside trap sistem, so might be bad if those 2 X you put there are amr/aml. If he plays defensive/counter attack you might get troubles playing offensive. I would rather use a 3N-2W-3MC-2 of to be more offensive 3-2-2-2W-1 (butterfly) or 3-2-2-1-2 (amc). 2 mc and dml/dmr should at same time block his wingers and grant you some better control of midfield. With 2 AMs and 3 DMs he probaly might play on both flanks, so a strategy based on through middle play without adding reds on your DMs and with an AMC pressuring the DMs (better if stronger than them) could give you the upper hand. If you notice you get too many counters you could add blu arrows on your DMs.

[kebess]

For as much as we know AMs position are to break the offside trap sistem, so might be bad if those 2 X you put there are amr/aml. If he plays defensive/counter attack you might get troubles playing offensive. I would rather use a 3N-2W-3MC-2 of to be more offensive 3-2-2-2W-1 (butterfly) or 3-2-2-1-2 (amc). 2 mc and dml/dmr should at same time block his wingers and grant you some better control of midfield. With 2 AMs and 3 DMs he probaly might play on both flanks, so a strategy based on through middle play without adding reds on your DMs and with an AMC pressuring the DMs (better if stronger than them) could give you the upper hand. If you notice you get too many counters you could add blu arrows on your DMs.

I'm liking this pretty much, : ) To be honest, I've never faced such a formation, so I have zero experience against this particular set up. It's pretty obvious he's gonna play Defensive+Counter, since he has no MCs. I might try what you are saying -- sounds logical enough.

[kebess]

And by the way, if he didn't have those 2 wingers, it would have been OK to play the offside trap formation you'd say ?

[HateMeNow]

And by the way, if he didn't have those 2 wingers, it would have been OK to play the offside trap formation you'd say ?

with no AMs on field and just 2 STs you can try it, at condition your defender's speed is higher than the attackers. If he plays with MR/ML tho something might slip, that's why i alwais prefer the 3N-2W sistem. Even with MR/and ML you can push your Dms on red arrows to pressure them.

[cracicot]

A bit of topic but I made it to the Cup finals, and I'm facing a team with the exact same quality as mine.

Here's his formation :

---X----X---

X----------X

-------------

X----X--- -X

--X--X--X---

Extremely defensive as you can see. I'm planning on using a pretty offensive one with attacking mentality and offside trap. Something like this :


---X----X--

X----X----X

---X----X---

------------

--X--X--X--

What do you think of it ? : )

4-1-3N-2 should be perfect.

attacking, up the middle, hard tackle, no counter, no offsides

[Besmir Rossoneri]

So I managed to get to the Cup semis, and I'm facing a team almost equal to mine (just slightly worse, 25Q vs 24Q, 6 specials vs 3).

Opponent is playing some weird 4-1-1-2W-2, and so I play the counter formation, 3-3W-2MC-2, (attacking, mixed, hard tackles, own side, mixed passing, no trap, no C.A.).

I'm thinking I'm gonna rape this guy 'cause he's not even watching the match (13% possession bonus for me. Win bonus is also at max, condition/moral at 95%+, ...).

First half, 65%/35% possession for me, but no single goal...
Second half, 49th min, opponent gets his first real occasion, boom ! Goal for him !! 0:1.

I'm like WTF ?? Damn game... 60th minute still no goal for me, even with my 65% possession, and a counter formation at this stage, so I decide to f*** the system and go all in... switch to Hard Attacking mentality.

62th min, boom ! One of my defenders gets a 2nd yellow card => red card ! WTF ?! I'm really gonna lose, huh ? Have to sub quickly and replace a DMC by DC. Like it's gonna change anything at this point...

70 min in already, 0:1 for opponent. I've been playing with 60/65% possession till the red card, and a counter formation, a better quality/specialty team, and yet I'm somehow losing.
To make things worse, now I only have 10 players vs 11, and have to play a weird formation with both a weak attack and defense... why haven't I close the browser already ?

Well, not so fast Speedy, 74 min in, one of my defenders single handedly dribbles through the whole midfield and gets a free-kick 20 yrs from the goal.
BOOM! Goooooal !! at 75th min, 1:1! Oh my, what a troll -- so now that it's basically hopeless for me, I get a lucky goal ? Meh, it's better than a lost... I might perhaps get lucky in the 2nd match -- though, I'll be playing outside, and without one of my best DC's.

Well, not so fast Speedy, 2 min later, 77th min, BOOM! Gooooooal !! 2:1 for me! Where on earth did this goal come from ? Not that I'm complaining but, shouldn't I be loosing right now ? : )

Well, not so fast Speedy, 5 min later, 83th min, BOOM! Gooooooal !! 3:1. lol?

Not So Fast SPEEDY ! 3 min later, 85th min, my 32 Q striker gets a penalty. BOOM! Gooooa..! Oh wait, he missed.... (notice he's the one who scored my 3 goals... including a FK, but he somehow misses the penalty)


*Sigh...* Guess, I'll never understand the logic of this game...

yes that hapen to me i have 4-1-3-2 formation and in the first half i score a goal for 0-1 after first half he gove a 2 red card and in min 67 79 his team score 2 goals wtf i have better team than him my team is 89.2 his team is 86.5 and omg i just smile in finnish match

[kebess]

It was a crazy match !

But I won, 2:1, : ) I had to switch my formation constantly, 'cause he kept on switching as well to try to pierce through my defense.. Very intense, thus. He also managed to get 3 player supporters...

I'll post some screens later.