How are results determined?

[vad]

Those guys who posted the observations about the outcome of the game known before the game has finished, did not tell if that result actually matched the game when it has finished. Which I think is kinda important.

I think there may be legitimate explanation, without the conspiracy.

The game has to determine the outcome at some point if the managers are not present. It could be done after, but probably there are reasons for the programmers to do it before the game. Certainly RNG is being used, but the probabilities it uses are affected by all the factors Nordeus tells about - health, morale, formation, and so on.

When the game starts and their server notices that at least one manager is watching, it makes recalculation, this is what people noticed as pause in comments soon after the game has started. The server may later initiate more recalculations, if another manager has joined later, or if they change formations, make subs, and maybe other events they do on their own. That's why if you change formation to illegal, the possession level jumps not immediately but about 15 sec later.

At the same time the pre-calculated outcome of the game, made in advance, can be still displayed for others to see, or in those scenarios when you had crash etc. But if there were recalculations, it will be adjusted according to the above.

This is all only a guess, but I think it's more likely than the idea that everything is predetermined and manager's presence does not change the outcome at all; I think, the key point is whether observed predetermined result is how the game actually ends, especially if it had drastic events like changing to illegal formations.

[Saransh Vatsa]

Those guys who posted the observations about the outcome of the game known before the game has finished, did not tell if that result actually matched the game when it has finished. Which I think is kinda important.

I think there may be legitimate explanation, without the conspiracy.

The game has to determine the outcome at some point if the managers are not present. It could be done after, but probably there are reasons for the programmers to do it before the game. Certainly RNG is being used, but the probabilities it uses are affected by all the factors Nordeus tells about - health, morale, formation, and so on.

When the game starts and their server notices that at least one manager is watching, it makes recalculation, this is what people noticed as pause in comments soon after the game has started. The server may later initiate more recalculations, if another manager has joined later, or if they change formations, make subs, and maybe other events they do on their own. That's why if you change formation to illegal, the possession level jumps not immediately but about 15 sec later.

At the same time the pre-calculated outcome of the game, made in advance, can be still displayed for others to see, or in those scenarios when you had crash etc. But if there were recalculations, it will be adjusted according to the above.

This is all only a guess, but I think it's more likely than the idea that everything is predetermined and manager's presence does not change the outcome at all; I think, the key point is whether observed predetermined result is how the game actually ends, especially if it had drastic events like changing to illegal formations.

Hmmm....not a bad explaination tbh... quite convincing. But we shall never know until Nord tell us. But that won't happen....

[rastaman70]

Hmmm....not a bad explaination tbh... quite convincing. But we shall never know until Nord tell us. But that won't happen....

not convinced at all. we all have theorys, and none can say which is true. BUT, if it looks like a duck and acts like a duck and swims like a duck.....ITS A DUCK. everything is showing that results are predetermined. possession means nothing. morale means nothing. condition means nothing. formation means nothing. those are some pretty big nothings in this game. if those mean nothing, then what the hell is going on other than nordeus racking up the money on tokens for playing a game that just effectively wastes your time while making you think you are actually affecting results???

[Saransh Vatsa]

not convinced at all. we all have theorys, and none can say which is true. BUT, if it looks like a duck and acts like a duck and swims like a duck.....ITS A DUCK. everything is showing that results are predetermined. possession means nothing. morale means nothing. condition means nothing. formation means nothing. those are some pretty big nothings in this game. if those mean nothing, then what the hell is going on other than nordeus racking up the money on tokens for playing a game that just effectively wastes your time while making you think you are actually affecting results???

Well it can be a goose
And the point is that if Nordeus is not giving us any explanation, it is clear that the game result is based on a turn of pitch and toss, all luck, predetermined too most probably. They don't answer us as they have nothing to say. So this discussion if interesting but nontheless worthless as we can put in our theories, I too believed results are predetermined, but we will never get conformation and all this will go on forever.....

[rastaman70]

Well it can be a goose
And the point is that if Nordeus is not giving us any explanation, it is clear that the game result is based on a turn of pitch and toss, all luck, predetermined too most probably. They don't answer us as they have nothing to say. So this discussion if interesting but nontheless worthless as we can put in our theories, I too believed results are predetermined, but we will never get conformation and all this will go on forever.....

their lack of response is damning for them.

[Saransh Vatsa]

their lack of response is damning for them.

I don't think they even care

[vad]

> And the point is that if Nordeus is not giving us any explanation

About a week ago I went to nordeus' company webpage and sent them email that I'd like to consider advertising in t11 for my own company (which is true), "please send me pricing information". No reply. Do you really think they care about forum discussions? Most companies create user forum as means to eliminate their own support rather than the vehicle to gather feedback.

If you never used their own support, I suggest that you try it out, contact them and ask a question. The reply will give you an idea to what degree they don't care.

[littledude072]

> And the point is that if Nordeus is not giving us any explanation

About a week ago I went to nordeus' company webpage and sent them email that I'd like to consider advertising in t11 for my own company (which is true), "please send me pricing information". No reply. Do you really think they care about forum discussions? Most companies create user forum as means to eliminate their own support rather than the vehicle to gather feedback.

If you never used their own support, I suggest that you try it out, contact them and ask a question. The reply will give you an idea to what degree they don't care.

true. my feedback about releasing changelogs and giving info to the forum staff is considered a 'new suggetsion'. twas deleted within a few days. any sane person would be pissed off
H, E, double hockey stick even in my mods i even included many random small notes in my changelogs