Tanking

[mojo121]

you focused on the most non-important point: golf, and neglected to really address the main point which was that tanking is NOT cheating, unless you also agree that using tokens to increase the quality of your team is also cheating. But even if you tank, it is not cheating, no matter what, simply because you are choosing not to progress to the next level. It may be viewed as unsportsmanlike, but it is 100% not cheating. Using tokens, on the other hand, to increase skills is 100% cheating. It is giving an advantage that the majority do not choose to use because it uses real money in a free game.

How you can fail to address this is just proof that you have no clue what tanking is and what its purpose is.

Using Tokens is part of the game. that's what they are there for. Whether you choose to buy them (which I dont) or use the ones you are given, also watching videos or downloading apps, this are all legit....Tanking however, is purposely losing to gain an advantage, which I would consider, a form of cheating. I don't want to compare this game to real football, because most of the time it doesn't compare, but a lot of people make the comparison, and so taking that into account, how many managers, in the real world, deliberately lose....?
And as I said before, where's the fun and fulfillment in purposely losing for a season or 2, just so you may win 3 seasons later, in an inferior league....Face it Bubba, it's a form of cheating....!

[Sully]

Using Tokens is part of the game. that's what they are there for. Whether you choose to buy them (which I dont) or use the ones you are given, also watching videos or downloading apps, this are all legit....Tanking however, is purposely losing to gain an advantage, which I would consider, a form of cheating. I don't want to compare this game to real football, because most of the time it doesn't compare, but a lot of people make the comparison, and so taking that into account, how many managers, in the real world, deliberately lose....?
And as I said before, where's the fun and fulfillment in purposely losing for a season or 2, just so you may win 3 seasons later, in an inferior league....Face it Bubba, it's a form of cheating....!

sure using tokens is part of the game for both those who can afford it and those who want to cheat. Plain and simple. using money to make your team better when the majority dont do it.

Tanking is def not cheating and anyone who thinks it is is an ignorant fool. Tanking is a strategy. And there you go comparing it to real life, when this is simply a game. not many managers purposely lose, but then, they have a real team with real people and they wont purposely lose unless they are bent and are told to lose to win money. T11 managers, on the other hand, are put at a disadvantage because their players lose a star each time they are promoted, forcing one to either spend tokens to increase quality or play with what you got, which may or may not be competitive, depending on the league.

IF someone wants to purposely lose so they can build their team into something competitive, how is that cheating? This is a game and it is a strategy. I dont want to spend money on tokens and I dont farm tokens or packs. So I either tank or sit bottom or middle of the pack with an ever decreasing quality team.

and the fun and fulfillment in purposely losing is knowing that next season you will have a much better team as well as a crapload more reds/blues/greens and tokens because they were not needed. It is a team building strategy that does not use real money. How hard is that to comprehend? Obviously you disagree, but I cant help it if you choose to ignore the obvious facts on the matter.

Face it Bubba, its NOT cheating. ....!

[mojo121]

sure using tokens is part of the game for both those who can afford it and those who want to cheat. Plain and simple. using money to make your team better when the majority dont do it.

Tanking is def not cheating and anyone who thinks it is is an ignorant fool. Tanking is a strategy. And there you go comparing it to real life, when this is simply a game. not many managers purposely lose, but then, they have a real team with real people and they wont purposely lose unless they are bent and are told to lose to win money. T11 managers, on the other hand, are put at a disadvantage because their players lose a star each time they are promoted, forcing one to either spend tokens to increase quality or play with what you got, which may or may not be competitive, depending on the league.

IF someone wants to purposely lose so they can build their team into something competitive, how is that cheating? This is a game and it is a strategy. I dont want to spend money on tokens and I dont farm tokens or packs. So I either tank or sit bottom or middle of the pack with an ever decreasing quality team.

and the fun and fulfillment in purposely losing is knowing that next season you will have a much better team as well as a crapload more reds/blues/greens and tokens because they were not needed. It is a team building strategy that does not use real money. How hard is that to comprehend? Obviously you disagree, but I cant help it if you choose to ignore the obvious facts on the matter.

Face it Bubba, its NOT cheating. ....!

Well I guess the balance is pretty close, people who think its ok and people who dont. Personally, I think its a form of cheating. Thats my personal opinion, and the opinion of many others. But as I say, many people think it's not, so mebbies this is a situation we can agree to disagree....
But it's not cheating to buy tokens if you want, just because there are fools in the world who want to throw there money away, doesnt make it cheating. I mean you cant say Man U are cheating because they have more money than, say, West ham, and like to throw is away on idiots.

I guess if you buy correctly, look for the right players, yes there is always some duds, but more often than not, if you're smart in the transfer market, you can find good players that play well for many seasons. I have never been out of the top 2 positions in the league at the end of the season, so always being competitive. The CL and Cup i shrug my shoulders, especially the cup, even if you do have a far superior team, it's still a lottery most of the time. Anyhoo the league is the most important to win.

So it is possible to be competitive 'every' season, without tanking or buying tokens....but I guess 'horses for courses'....right?

[Sully]

Well I guess the balance is pretty close, people who think its ok and people who dont. Personally, I think its a form of cheating. Thats my personal opinion, and the opinion of many others. But as I say, many people think it's not, so mebbies this is a situation we can agree to disagree....
But it's not cheating to buy tokens if you want, just because there are fools in the world who want to throw there money away, doesnt make it cheating. I mean you cant say Man U are cheating because they have more money than, say, West ham, and like to throw is away on idiots.

I guess if you buy correctly, look for the right players, yes there is always some duds, but more often than not, if you're smart in the transfer market, you can find good players that play well for many seasons. I have never been out of the top 2 positions in the league at the end of the season, so always being competitive. The CL and Cup i shrug my shoulders, especially the cup, even if you do have a far superior team, it's still a lottery most of the time. Anyhoo the league is the most important to win.

So it is possible to be competitive 'every' season, without tanking or buying tokens....but I guess 'horses for courses'....right?

so its not cheating to buy tokens because they are just throwing their money away, but for tankers, they are cheating because they are throwing their time away?

stop comparing it to real life with ManU and West Ham, since they all spend money regardless of their finances, while the majority of players in this game dont spend any money. In order for your example to be correct, you would have to mention ManU and a rec league team that plays for free. and that never happens...ever, so your point is invalid.

and while tanking is cheating being your personal opinion, it is hardly the opinion of many others. It is the opinion of a few people, frankly because it is not cheating. but you can make up any numbers you want to when you live in a fantasy land.

I have been on this forum for over 2 years and the majority know it is not cheating. But whatever makes you sleep better at night I guess.

Simply put: tanking is NOT cheating. you are wrong. no need to agree to disagree.

[mojo121]

so its not cheating to buy tokens because they are just throwing their money away, but for tankers, they are cheating because they are throwing their time away?

stop comparing it to real life with ManU and West Ham, since they all spend money regardless of their finances, while the majority of players in this game dont spend any money. In order for your example to be correct, you would have to mention ManU and a rec league team that plays for free. and that never happens...ever, so your point is invalid.

and while tanking is cheating being your personal opinion, it is hardly the opinion of many others. It is the opinion of a few people, frankly because it is not cheating. but you can make up any numbers you want to when you live in a fantasy land.

I have been on this forum for over 2 years and the majority know it is not cheating. But whatever makes you sleep better at night I guess.

Simply put: tanking is NOT cheating. you are wrong. no need to agree to disagree.

I never made a comparison to throwing money away and throwing time away. If you want to buy tokens, that's your issue, if you have the money to waste, it's NOT cheating, losing on purpose IS cheating. Mebbies it's all in the character of the person, personally I cant bring myself to lose on purpose, eternal optimist perhaps, or mebbies that it IS just a gemme and I dont put thought into it. Win = great, lose = oh well, it's just a dumbass FB gemme. But still, it's fun....

Plus I'm not wrong, this isn't a right or wrong issue, it's opinions, my opinon is that's it's a form of cheating, your opinion is, that it's not....opinions, learn to be objective....

[Sully]

I never made a comparison to throwing money away and throwing time away. If you want to buy tokens, that's your issue, if you have the money to waste, it's NOT cheating, losing on purpose IS cheating. Mebbies it's all in the character of the person, personally I cant bring myself to lose on purpose, eternal optimist perhaps, or mebbies that it IS just a gemme and I dont put thought into it. Win = great, lose = oh well, it's just a dumbass FB gemme. But still, it's fun....

Plus I'm not wrong, this isn't a right or wrong issue, it's opinions, my opinon is that's it's a form of cheating, your opinion is, that it's not....opinions, learn to be objective....

well you are wrong yet again - this is a right or wrong issue. Tanking is a strategy, just as buying tokens is. But if you want to call tanking cheating then buying tokens is cheating. They are both strategies to win. Whether you win or lose or buy tokens or not, everything you do in this game is for the sole purpose of winning. Some have to buy tokens to win, others have to lose to win.

How you cant understand that is beyond me.

And the audacity of you, saying I have to learn to be objective, when you cant be objective to save your life.

[mojo121]

well you are wrong yet again - this is a right or wrong issue. Tanking is a strategy, just as buying tokens is. But if you want to call tanking cheating then buying tokens is cheating. They are both strategies to win. Whether you win or lose or buy tokens or not, everything you do in this game is for the sole purpose of winning. Some have to buy tokens to win, others have to lose to win.

How you cant understand that is beyond me.

And the audacity of you, saying I have to learn to be objective, when you cant be objective to save your life.

So tanking is a strategy....? I dont care whether it's a crappy FB gemme, or the best football sim of all time, or any 'gemme', for that matter....You play to 'win'....and in some cases, a draw, but never to lose. Tanking is not a strategy, it's cheating, and it's done, not to be 'competitive', as you said, but to win everything, every 3/4 seasons. Although you can be competitive every season. You dont think your're gonna win the league, then you play for top 4 and CL qualification, cant do that then you try to get top 7 and promotion.

Tankers dont want that though, right? There's no fun unless you win everything and easily. So it becomes a cop out, a wimp out, you lose, on purpose, for 1/2 seasons, to gain an advantage into a weaker league/CL/cup, and then pump in the skill points you've been hoarding, and whoa, now your a super team in that league/level....Mebbies that's one of the reasons skill points are assigned automatically on the mobile app now, plus nor-dues dont make any money from tankers....?

You said everything you do in this gemme is for the sole purpose of winning. As it should be, you play to win, in any gemme. Your statement about some people have to 'lose to win'....really, make some sense out of that. I like to try and win every season, and i think i've been pretty successful, without buying tokens or cheating(tanking).

You also mentioned that you tank gemmes so your other teams can win, and in practically the same sentence, you said, that 'as long I win, I don't care how, and people can go greeting to their moms'....I understand they are all your own teams, but it seems to me that you are doing more 'losing' than winning....in the big picture....

But if that's how you want to play the gemme, so be it....as long as you're having fun, right....'cause that's all this is, a bit of fun, from a really random, 2 bit gemme....

It's beyond me how you cant understand, losing on purpose, for a short future advantage, is a form of cheating, or a wimp out....