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PricopGeorgeCătălin Season 78 - Are you ready? 04-02-2016,
10:09 PM
Davy Gravy What have you learned from... 04-03-2016,
12:30 AM Neil Lynch What have you learned from... 04-03-2016,
01:18 AM
Darren Power What have you learned from... 04-03-2016,
01:18 AM
Ye Yint Htun What've you learn from last... 04-03-2016,
02:24 AM
Gert Funck fourth position
cup semi... 04-03-2016,
04:04 AM
Tactician No 5-star 'nordgens' so far;... 04-03-2016,
07:19 AM
talisman Thanks to all returning... 04-03-2016,
08:12 AM
Gert Funck United have signed 3 18 year... 04-03-2016,
08:22 AM
talisman Real shortage of 5* players... 04-03-2016,
08:53 AM
nikolgiorgos The target from previous... 04-03-2016,
09:43 AM
Gert Funck great sell of reserve player... 04-03-2016,
10:03 AM
Sweed Mind What have you learned from... 04-03-2016,
10:34 AM
talisman Palace Casuals Season... 04-03-2016,
12:09 PM
talisman I never go more than 10T in... 04-03-2016,
12:29 PM
Tactician I have noticed lost of... 04-03-2016,
01:06 PM
talisman Day 1 - Palace Terriers Cup... 04-03-2016,
01:21 PM
Tactician Frankly, today was... 04-03-2016,
01:24 PM
Tactician Gert, how are you dealing... 04-03-2016,
01:40 PM
Gert Funck odds of advancement is in my... 04-03-2016,
02:57 PM
talisman Day 1 - Palace Casuals Cup... 04-03-2016,
04:00 PM
Gert Funck 65027
65028
65029
good... 04-03-2016,
04:03 PM
Sweed Mind Im glad that i decided to... 04-03-2016,
05:54 PM
reddeviljohn Yesterday's away leg against... 04-04-2016,
04:23 AM
Gert Funck are you kidding me? (perfect... 04-04-2016,
04:51 AM
Awe Imoleayo Peter What have you learnt?
I have... 04-04-2016,
06:23 AM
Awe Imoleayo Peter http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.co... 04-04-2016,
06:43 AM
AramRonaldo7 Hi everyone.
What have you... 04-04-2016,
07:17 AM
talisman Hmmm...
65055
Latest... 04-04-2016,
08:10 AM
Sweed Mind Nothing much to tell. Clean... 04-04-2016,
09:29 AM
Killroy Lol Nordeus, recommended... 04-04-2016,
11:30 AM
talisman Day 2 - Palace Terriers Cup... 04-04-2016,
12:55 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter Through to the next stage of... 04-04-2016,
01:26 PM
TiagoNBA What have you learned from... 04-04-2016,
01:37 PM
Gert Funck ok, won away 0-9 and this is... 04-04-2016,
03:47 PM
reddeviljohn Thru 5-0 agg
... 04-04-2016,
03:56 PM
Gert Funck 65076
Falama 3 assists 2... 04-04-2016,
04:28 PM
Ibrahim Bavari 65077
What do you guys... 04-04-2016,
05:23 PM
talisman Day 2 - Palace Casuals Cup... 04-04-2016,
05:49 PM
Ibrahim Bavari You mean 47 token player the... 04-04-2016,
06:25 PM
Arion Atlético Kolkata Day 1-2... 04-04-2016,
06:50 PM
talisman In my experience, the only... 04-04-2016,
06:57 PM
Gert Funck Am I the only one that have... 04-04-2016,
07:05 PM
Duncton I know. Just didn't act... 04-04-2016,
08:14 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter Won a level 6club today with... 04-04-2016,
08:15 PM
Gert Funck Don't injure my goal scoring... 04-05-2016,
09:29 AM
reddeviljohn Easy c/l win for the reserves... 04-05-2016,
09:34 AM
Awe Imoleayo Peter So we started the league with... 04-05-2016,
12:51 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter I set it on 7, 9, 9, and I... 04-05-2016,
01:44 PM
Scaramanga football club Thanks and level 9?
Sent... 04-05-2016,
01:45 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter I can't say, I am currently... 04-05-2016,
01:46 PM
Scaramanga football club Ok thanks.
Sent from my... 04-05-2016,
01:47 PM
talisman Day 3 - League Previews and... 04-05-2016,
01:59 PM
reddeviljohn http://i67.tinypic.com/29veccy... 04-05-2016,
03:57 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter 1 -1 draw for Golden eaglets,... 04-05-2016,
06:55 PM
Gert Funck So I lost, there goes the... 04-05-2016,
07:47 PM
Gert Funck one token buy for FireCats
... 04-05-2016,
08:52 PM
talisman Day 3 - Palace teams report... 04-05-2016,
09:33 PM
Tactician Arion, how is your AML/ST... 04-06-2016,
03:15 AM
Tactician If there was a sort of... 04-06-2016,
08:57 AM
reddeviljohn Dunno what's up with these... 04-06-2016,
09:25 AM
AramRonaldo7 Today I decide to look at the... 04-06-2016,
10:06 AM
reddeviljohn Transfer market is dead as... 04-06-2016,
11:48 AM
Awe Imoleayo Peter Nordeus is not through with... 04-06-2016,
12:04 PM
talisman Day 4 - Palace Terriers... 04-06-2016,
03:55 PM
talisman Oh man - is this what I've... 04-06-2016,
05:50 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter whitewashed by whitecaps... 04-06-2016,
08:41 PM
El Pistolero Been off here a few days.... 04-06-2016,
09:15 PM
talisman Day 4 - Palace Casuals... 04-06-2016,
10:00 PM
Евгений Бадах Hello! My next game against... 04-06-2016,
10:18 PM
talisman Please use the 'Formations... 04-07-2016,
01:54 AM
AramRonaldo7 Nice start of the season, but... 04-07-2016,
07:46 AM
bossofzeeland I might quit top eleven, it's... 04-07-2016,
09:15 AM
Awe Imoleayo Peter @Arion I think I am at the... 04-07-2016,
09:18 AM
reddeviljohn Stonking performance as oppo... 04-07-2016,
09:21 AM
reddeviljohn http://i66.tinypic.com/2e0sfgn... 04-07-2016,
12:28 PM
talisman Day 5 - Palace teams report... 04-07-2016,
12:54 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter I beat a 4 4 2 classic with a... 04-07-2016,
01:24 PM
Gert Funck 6518365182
debut and Man... 04-07-2016,
02:16 PM
Gert Funck Yellow arrow but best... 04-07-2016,
05:47 PM
talisman Day 5 - Palace teams report... 04-07-2016,
09:02 PM
Darren Power sorry bout posting the... 04-08-2016,
08:58 AM
reddeviljohn Would have been 3 more but... 04-08-2016,
10:06 AM
Awe Imoleayo Peter So I tried 3W 2DMC 3W 2ST... 04-08-2016,
10:42 AM
Tactician Is there the 2D match for... 04-08-2016,
12:20 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter Ehhh haaaa, qualified for the... 04-08-2016,
12:44 PM
Gert Funck Awesome start of the season
... 04-08-2016,
12:54 PM
Tactician I watch another match as... 04-08-2016,
01:24 PM
Gert Funck United are through in the Cup... 04-08-2016,
02:54 PM
El Pistolero 65222
One of the 1 *s I've... 04-08-2016,
03:00 PM
talisman Day 6 - Palace Terriers... 04-08-2016,
03:09 PM
Gert Funck 6523665237 04-08-2016,
07:22 PM
nikolgiorgos In a very tough league,... 04-08-2016,
08:35 PM
reddeviljohn Thru 14-0 agg
... 04-08-2016,
08:50 PM
talisman Day 6 - Palace Casuals... 04-08-2016,
09:48 PM
Gert Funck two Tokens for a 68M fast... 04-09-2016,
05:29 AM
Gert Funck 65264 04-09-2016,
02:22 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter Against a 4 4 2 classic, I... 04-09-2016,
02:26 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter Hey, it's been a while we... 04-09-2016,
02:37 PM
talisman Day 7 - Palace Casuals... 04-09-2016,
03:47 PM
reddeviljohn Reserves get the job done
... 04-09-2016,
04:31 PM
Gert Funck Aws seven extensions like... 04-09-2016,
05:03 PM
Gert Funck good league day today
... 04-09-2016,
05:10 PM
Gert Funck What a boring match, 100... 04-09-2016,
05:42 PM
reddeviljohn http://i63.tinypic.com/211vsm.... 04-09-2016,
07:24 PM
nikolgiorgos Day 7 of the new season and... 04-09-2016,
07:59 PM
talisman Day 7 - Palace Terriers... 04-09-2016,
09:02 PM
Dman2pt First post of the season
I... 04-09-2016,
09:37 PM
talisman Youth players appeared in... 04-10-2016,
09:59 AM
reddeviljohn http://i66.tinypic.com/2n7pau9... 04-10-2016,
10:08 AM
Awe Imoleayo Peter Cup first leg. Madhebi now... 04-10-2016,
10:14 AM
Arion Atlético Kolkata Day 7&8... 04-10-2016,
02:11 PM
Gert Funck You got to be kidding me... 04-10-2016,
02:15 PM
talisman Day 8 - Palace teams Cup... 04-10-2016,
02:29 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter Madhebi's name was changed to... 04-10-2016,
02:30 PM
Gert Funck 65301 04-10-2016,
04:32 PM
Gert Funck because of boredom I post the... 04-10-2016,
05:27 PM
talisman Day 8 - Palace teams League... 04-10-2016,
06:32 PM
reddeviljohn 3 levels above battered
... 04-10-2016,
07:59 PM
Gert Funck what a joke!
65324
on... 04-11-2016,
05:11 AM
madflo19 Easy cup win against an... 04-11-2016,
07:01 AM
talisman Oooh look, not strikers!... 04-11-2016,
07:35 AM
talisman Day 9 - Palace Casuals... 04-11-2016,
12:00 PM
reddeviljohn That is us qualified for... 04-11-2016,
04:26 PM
Gert Funck Solid victory! Nothing more... 04-11-2016,
04:40 PM
Gert Funck what a strange group
65340 04-11-2016,
05:37 PM
reddeviljohn http://i67.tinypic.com/254wj6u... 04-11-2016,
07:28 PM
talisman Day 9 - Palace teams report... 04-11-2016,
09:16 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter Good victories here and... 04-11-2016,
10:42 PM
reddeviljohn Tougher match thus time but... 04-12-2016,
12:09 PM
JustinXI Tough match against league... 04-12-2016,
01:25 PM
Killroy I love cup matches. First... 04-12-2016,
03:44 PM
PricopGeorgeCătălin After a perfect CUP with... 04-12-2016,
04:10 PM
Gert Funck oh, goodby Cup :(
65362
... 04-12-2016,
05:30 PM
Gert Funck Thanks guys for supporting,... 04-12-2016,
06:06 PM
reddeviljohn http://i66.tinypic.com/iz724i.... 04-12-2016,
07:38 PM
HoofDaddy Last season was very... 04-12-2016,
09:05 PM
reddeviljohn Reserves battered em
... 04-13-2016,
09:21 AM
reddeviljohn Our toughest match so far but... 04-13-2016,
12:39 PM
Arion Atlético Kolkata Day 11... 04-13-2016,
06:48 PM
nikolgiorgos In a league of hell, still on... 04-13-2016,
07:56 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter Been a while, heavy down pour... 04-14-2016,
12:43 AM
Gert Funck The boredom has no limits
... 04-14-2016,
05:03 AM
reddeviljohn Reserves smash em
... 04-14-2016,
11:06 AM
Gert Funck aws, that was painful :(
... 04-14-2016,
03:09 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter I haven't conceded when I got... 04-14-2016,
03:29 PM
talisman Day 12 - Palace Terriers... 04-14-2016,
03:30 PM
Arion Prophet, the ass man is. 04-14-2016,
03:37 PM
reddeviljohn A nice late rally that should... 04-14-2016,
03:52 PM
Gert Funck same teams same formations,... 04-14-2016,
08:24 PM
talisman Day 12 - Palace Casuals... 04-14-2016,
08:38 PM
madflo19 Big cup win against an... 04-15-2016,
01:06 AM
Arion Atlético Kolkata Day 11... 04-15-2016,
03:55 AM
reddeviljohn Not as comfortable as the... 04-15-2016,
09:24 AM
Steppenwolf GK Kartal left Belgrade... 04-15-2016,
12:40 PM
talisman Day 13 - Palace Casuals... 04-15-2016,
04:18 PM
Gert Funck 65455 04-15-2016,
05:10 PM
reddeviljohn Reserves too strong for em
... 04-15-2016,
05:43 PM
Gert Funck this season i bought this 33... 04-15-2016,
05:50 PM
talisman Day 13 - Palace Terriers... 04-15-2016,
07:32 PM
Dman2pt So far i am still in all... 04-15-2016,
10:09 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.co... 04-15-2016,
10:40 PM
madflo19 Another set of... 04-16-2016,
09:04 AM
reddeviljohn Reserves too strong for em
... 04-16-2016,
10:00 AM
Gert Funck 120% which is stupid equals... 04-16-2016,
11:09 AM
reddeviljohn Disaster!! Our first defeat... 04-16-2016,
01:18 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter Eliminated from the cup by a... 04-16-2016,
03:52 PM
talisman Day 14 - Palace Terriers... 04-16-2016,
04:19 PM
Duncton Nice win in league. Three... 04-16-2016,
04:51 PM
nikolgiorgos Day 14 of the season, so far... 04-16-2016,
05:25 PM
Gert Funck My Auction list and have been... 04-17-2016,
07:38 AM
reddeviljohn Reserves looks like to have... 04-17-2016,
09:52 AM
Gert Funck 65516
Two goals by the 33... 04-17-2016,
12:49 PM
Gert Funck 65519 04-17-2016,
02:27 PM
Gert Funck I still don't get this. My... 04-17-2016,
02:42 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter The best time to beat my team... 04-17-2016,
03:16 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter The form of my teams has made... 04-17-2016,
04:45 PM
Gert Funck 65537
65544
A nice... 04-17-2016,
05:33 PM
Dman2pt Great victory today at CL... 04-17-2016,
08:51 PM
reddeviljohn Best we could manage as did... 04-17-2016,
08:54 PM
Gert Funck If some players could still... 04-17-2016,
09:46 PM
Gert Funck One token fast trainer, thx... 04-18-2016,
05:09 AM
Awe Imoleayo Peter Me too @tactician, it's like... 04-18-2016,
11:45 AM
reddeviljohn Will have to settle for this... 04-18-2016,
03:36 PM
madflo19 Cup game tonight and i will... 04-18-2016,
04:32 PM
Sunil Chetri http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.co... 04-18-2016,
04:38 PM
talisman Day 16 - Palace Terriers... 04-18-2016,
06:30 PM
reddeviljohn Reserves too hot for em
... 04-18-2016,
06:57 PM
Gert Funck 65575 04-18-2016,
07:34 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter Golden Eaglets just summed up... 04-18-2016,
09:35 PM
Tactician Injuries becoming a problem... 04-19-2016,
02:05 AM
Medo zalata Me too I had two 9-day... 04-19-2016,
03:32 AM
Gert Funck here is some of my league... 04-19-2016,
05:07 AM
talisman Palace Casuals (Level 30)... 04-19-2016,
07:32 AM
talisman One element that would... 04-19-2016,
08:20 AM
Tactician My team suffered it's first... 04-19-2016,
08:54 AM
Tactician Another Injury 04-19-2016,
12:29 PM
Arion It feels as if we're FBI... 04-19-2016,
01:10 PM
Tactician By the way talisman, there... 04-19-2016,
02:37 PM
Tactician Who can add me on the... 04-19-2016,
02:59 PM
Gert Funck 65606
1.Hard training yes,... 04-19-2016,
03:13 PM
nikolgiorgos @Tactician
in my thread... 04-19-2016,
04:31 PM
reddeviljohn Cup oppo have changed Ko to 3... 04-19-2016,
04:38 PM
Gert Funck Two goals from right back..... 04-19-2016,
05:53 PM
El Pistolero 6561365614
I haven't been... 04-19-2016,
06:04 PM
reddeviljohn Reserves scrapped it and... 04-19-2016,
06:46 PM
reddeviljohn http://i63.tinypic.com/fwhonm.... 04-19-2016,
07:42 PM
reddeviljohn Waste of time getting up for... 04-20-2016,
07:59 AM
reddeviljohn Reserves too good for this... 04-20-2016,
10:23 AM
talisman Day 18 - Palace Terriers... 04-20-2016,
12:18 PM
Gert Funck 65627
thx Gebus for 2-1 in... 04-20-2016,
02:25 PM
Medo zalata Wow you were too soft and got... 04-20-2016,
02:31 PM
Gert Funck oMG! We beat number one! And... 04-20-2016,
02:33 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.co... 04-20-2016,
03:27 PM
Tactician Talisman, if the opportunity... 04-20-2016,
04:11 PM
reddeviljohn Reserves get the job done
... 04-21-2016,
10:51 AM
Tactician To all those that have sent... 04-21-2016,
11:51 AM
AramRonaldo7 Hi everybody.
I haven't been... 04-21-2016,
12:44 PM
Tactician Another Injury During A Match 04-21-2016,
01:22 PM
Steppenwolf So typical for this game,... 04-21-2016,
03:57 PM
reddeviljohn Looking good for next round ... 04-21-2016,
08:27 PM
Steppenwolf https://www.youtube.com/watch?... 04-21-2016,
08:36 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter Drew in the league. Entered... 04-22-2016,
12:56 AM
SakiKane What've you learn from last... 04-22-2016,
12:59 AM
El Pistolero I have a guy I might meet in... 04-22-2016,
02:44 PM
Steppenwolf 30 chances is not good enough... 04-22-2016,
05:27 PM
Duncton GK scored a clean 10 (0-2... 04-22-2016,
07:09 PM
reddeviljohn Reserves just about did... 04-22-2016,
07:11 PM
reddeviljohn Reserves turned on the style ... 04-23-2016,
10:04 AM
Awe Imoleayo Peter What!!! 2shots... 04-23-2016,
02:10 PM
Gert Funck This season the level is... 04-23-2016,
02:13 PM
Duncton Another nice win against a... 04-23-2016,
04:03 PM
Tactician Suppose that a user never... 04-23-2016,
04:07 PM
Gert Funck ;CL decided in second leg... 04-23-2016,
04:23 PM
Gert Funck ohhh wauw we did it... 04-23-2016,
05:12 PM
nikolgiorgos Day 21 of the season and so... 04-23-2016,
05:41 PM
El Pistolero There won't be a 3rd treble... 04-23-2016,
07:11 PM
Gert Funck 65776
against league... 04-23-2016,
07:29 PM
Steppenwolf Story continues...
65787 04-24-2016,
10:48 AM
El Pistolero 6579065791
I suffered my... 04-24-2016,
12:44 PM
Gert Funck What a second half ;)
65795 04-24-2016,
01:31 PM
Gert Funck much stronger opponent, so I... 04-24-2016,
04:35 PM
reddeviljohn http://i67.tinypic.com/2e4z0ao... 04-24-2016,
07:12 PM
Steppenwolf 3rd title in row, 11th... 04-24-2016,
09:19 PM
Gert Funck I guess I was not suppose to... 04-25-2016,
12:29 PM
El Pistolero Lost again. 4 losses in all... 04-25-2016,
03:44 PM
reddeviljohn Had to play 2nd half with ten... 04-25-2016,
04:01 PM
Gert Funck 65855
what a strange match... 04-25-2016,
04:14 PM
reddeviljohn http://i63.tinypic.com/2wd28fl... 04-25-2016,
06:51 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter Immediately I saw things for... 04-25-2016,
07:26 PM
Gert Funck 65878
crap again 04-26-2016,
05:10 AM
talisman Crap again - Part 2
... 04-26-2016,
08:20 AM
El Pistolero 65885
Almost did it. The... 04-26-2016,
09:13 AM
reddeviljohn http://i65.tinypic.com/wqyrec.... 04-26-2016,
10:50 AM
Gert Funck 65891
Vanis hattrick hero... 04-26-2016,
05:58 PM
Gert Funck Attack of the clone form... 04-26-2016,
06:33 PM
reddeviljohn http://i68.tinypic.com/14c48ig... 04-27-2016,
11:14 AM
talisman Day 25 - Palace Terriers... 04-27-2016,
12:31 PM
reddeviljohn Thru 6-1 agg to final where... 04-27-2016,
01:40 PM
Ian McAdam I feel like shooting myself... 04-27-2016,
03:48 PM
Gert Funck Am I gonna make it? it is too... 04-27-2016,
04:03 PM
AramRonaldo7 I'm in the CL final, no way... 04-28-2016,
12:06 PM
reddeviljohn C/l final 1:30 am jokers oh... 04-28-2016,
04:46 PM
Gert Funck so now they are working... 04-28-2016,
05:13 PM
talisman Day 26 - Palace Terriers... 04-28-2016,
06:15 PM
reddeviljohn http://i64.tinypic.com/2ltg2dw... 04-28-2016,
07:25 PM
madflo19 Won the cup against an... 04-28-2016,
09:30 PM
talisman Day 26 (just) - Palace... 04-28-2016,
11:35 PM
reddeviljohn League title secured as 4... 04-29-2016,
10:02 AM
Ibrahim Bavari hello everyone
if I bought... 04-29-2016,
11:18 AM
BeckStar Winning the league and Cup... 04-29-2016,
04:04 PM
Steppenwolf Season summary:
Belgrade... 04-29-2016,
04:41 PM
Alexinho Another amazing day today... 04-29-2016,
04:53 PM
MNK Kaskada https://www.youtube.com/watch?... 04-29-2016,
04:53 PM
Neil Lynch I have the league won with... 04-29-2016,
05:14 PM
Teda This is the end of this... 04-29-2016,
05:23 PM
Abhinavsharma This is mine condition here! 04-30-2016,
05:14 AM
Abhinavsharma Anyways I have been 2nd in... 04-30-2016,
05:15 AM
Abhinavsharma I am feeling bad for my... 04-30-2016,
06:31 AM
nikolgiorgos happened to me this season. I... 04-30-2016,
07:50 AM
Tactician Ah ok. Just make it clear, I... 04-30-2016,
08:53 AM
reddeviljohn Just too strong, couldn't ... 04-30-2016,
09:06 AM
reddeviljohn http://i66.tinypic.com/2ijs2nb... 04-30-2016,
09:28 AM
Scaramanga football club 66053 the treble continues to... 04-30-2016,
10:54 AM
Scaramanga football club 66054 second team 1st in... 04-30-2016,
10:56 AM
Tactician Season Summary 04-30-2016,
10:58 AM
Alexinho And the 7th treble is... 04-30-2016,
11:59 AM
Gert Funck Oh yes we made it, that even... 04-30-2016,
02:31 PM
El Pistolero 660666606766068
What a... 04-30-2016,
03:21 PM
motrin motrin Season 9 Report 04-30-2016,
06:49 PM
cookizzz This is my season report. ... 04-30-2016,
08:26 PM
reddeviljohn Beat rivals
... 04-30-2016,
08:30 PM
reddeviljohn http://i63.tinypic.com/e8q43c.... 04-30-2016,
08:39 PM
talisman Day 28 - Palace Casuals... 04-30-2016,
09:13 PM
Awe Imoleayo Peter Best attack, best defence but... 04-30-2016,
11:12 PM
pcmacdaniel Won the double (league + CL)... 04-30-2016,
11:38 PM
talisman Day 28 - Palace Terriers... 04-30-2016,
11:47 PM
madflo19 Won the treble,great... 05-01-2016,
12:42 AM
Ian McAdam i joinrd thjis game last... 05-01-2016,
02:19 AM
Arion Played a testimonial for... 05-01-2016,
04:59 AM
Tactician Hahaha Arion, what... 05-01-2016,
05:00 AM
Tactician By the way Arion, is there... 05-01-2016,
05:03 AM
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Champion
One of the 1 *s I've trained. What do you think I should do keep him for training, sell as he is so another manager can benefit from a just turned 5* many divisions down or train until he goes on negation list and wait for token offers?
Does anybody else train 1*s like this?
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