[9th of May] - New version: Bug fixes and improvements

All good comments Moi thanks.

But how many rests you need per day? Do you mind to share?

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Originally Posted by Moi

Seems you missed my explanation a few comments ago. Please check it here, and also check my other comment below regarding rests.

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I have used 19......maybe 22 players in 3 competitions, so why can't other users do that??? I don't think 25 players is necessary. Isn't not easy but it's doable

On a normal day I don't use any. Some days I do a full squad rest, but just once a week or something. Other days I may give 1 to some specific players but not often.

If you try to train after you've played all matches with 22 players (also using more the subs and the ones who never play) you will be ready for the next day without needing any extra rests, with 8% on all bonuses (after it has decreased from 10%). Then a couple of trainings per position would put your team on 10% bonuses in the 4 areas. If you have an early match, you may not be able to reach this 10%, I always have my team between 8 and 10%, depending if I can train in the morning before my first match or I can't. But not a big deal. If I really need the 10% I would use some rests in the way I explained, but that's rare.

Wow Moi, 1% really? Like that makes a whole lot of difference. I actually think that 1% was like a slap on the face to most veteran managers, especially the ones who spend their time and hard earn money trying to have a good squad. But then again, nordeus finds a way to screw us and steal more money from us.... Now that's not fair...... In regards to your training, I have not full train my players since the update and I had lost three games in a row and went from 2nd to 4th in the league and those loses were against weaker teams. Then I train my team three times before my cup game and won 6-3 Moi....... Explain that?

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Originally Posted by Madman

I have used 19......maybe 22 players in 3 competitions, so why can't other users do that??? I don't think 25 players is necessary. Isn't not easy but it's doable

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It is because you were using a lot of offers. Try to do that now. :p
With 19 players in the squad playing in 3 competitions, no wonder why you depended so much on offers for packs. 1-2 excessive injuries periods or a few periods where you needed to use full pressing for a few matches and you will be back here complaining that most of your players are in poor condition and that you don't have enough packs to boost their conditions. Also, it is evident that you will have more trouble boosting the bonuses from training with 19 eligible squad players only. So, it is your fault if you decide to stick with less squad players than the maximum allowed and depend more on offers for green packs.

Do you think that I have proposed a 25-player squad just like that?

yeah sure, equality between players, nice joke. you just want us to buy more tokens

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Originally Posted by Moi

I will reuse part of what I wrote on another thread regarding the "OMG with the new Training you need a lot of rests!!" issue.

The need for rests is not that high, and if you see yourself struggling for that, maybe you need to do some changes in your daily activities / training.

Remember we have increased the % of recovery every 3h to 6%, that means players gain 8% more condition than before, every day (1% every 3h more). In fact, they recover 48% condition every day.

In my personal case, I like to train after all daily matches have already been played, on late evening, before going to sleep. I know everyone will gain 18%-24% condition the next time I open the game, in the morning, and because no injuries can happen, I train as much as I want, to reach 10% on each bonus (defensive, offensive, condition and possession. I know they will be reduced by 2% by next day, but then I will be 8% on each and really close to be max again.

The only thing I consider is the upcoming match. If I have a match at 13h next day, I want to be sure they will be fully rested more than 3h before that match, so I can do a quick training in the morning (with 6% condition recover incoming) that will reach me to all 10% bonus again. As this is usually not enough, what I do is overtrain all players I have in my squad who never/rarely play, substitutes and others, so I can effectively reach this 10% (sometimes is not possible, but in these cases I get 8%'s and 10%'s mixed). Of course I watch videos to get the Special Trainer on every session.

So I end up with a fully recovered team with (almost) all training bonuses at 10% (maybe not, but having full 8% it's also very good). Then if you have 3 matches on a specific day, your players will actually be recovering faster than before -I already explained why- so the situation will be better than it was before the new training came up.

Sometimes I use the option to give +6% to all team for 8-9 rests, but not every day (I'd say I only use it once or twice a week), and sometimes I give +15% to an individual player. But that doesn't have a big impact in my rests. Right now I am in all three competitions, so that's a good example. In fact, I have more rests than I was able to accumulate before, and I don't watch any videos or buy them. I just keep collecting them from my medical building, daily gifts and making substitutions during a match.

Of course if you are trying to reach from 0% to 10% bonus in the morning BEFORE all your matches happen, you will end up needing a lot of extra rests. Don't do that, be smart and train after that, take advantage of the long periods that you won't connect at all (for many reasons, mainly because you need to sleep, work, school, etc). Make sure you have 22 players in your squad and use the ones who never play matches to get to these bonus without affecting your main squad.

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3h for 6% enough? ...the problem is.... sometime i don't even have CUP...there are still 3 games scheduled a day...and somethime the games time are very close... like 10am... 1pm and then 5 pm...even i have 22 players, 10 am to 5 pm only has 7h in between, that is only 12% recover, a match only use 12% condition?? and between the game, the system force to have 2 training section for a "better preparation " for the up coming game.

so you suggest that we should ignore the training or just use a single "very easy" drill for 2 training and only training to the sub, not the main squad???

really?? if in that case, what is the point you create that new training system?? just for us to take a look and ignore it? and how could train the sub and get a better preparation for the main squad?

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Originally Posted by Ahlony Wong

3h for 6% enough? ...the problem is.... sometime i don't even have CUP...there are still 3 games scheduled a day...and somethime the games time are very close... like 10am... 1pm and then 5 pm...even i have 22 players, 10 am to 5 pm only has 7h in between, that is only 12% recover, a match only use 12% condition?? and between the game, the system force to have 2 training section for a "better preparation " for the up coming game.

so you suggest that we should ignore the training or just use a single "very easy" drill for 2 training and only training to the sub, not the main squad???

really?? if in that case, what is the point you create that new training system??

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This situation of having some official matches in the same day has not changed in Top Eleven for years (which every manager faces), there's nothing new about it with this release. As I mentioned, before 2015 release (January 2015) there was no way to get these hundreds of boosters daily from video offers, you could get some but not hundreds. And in relation to this, now players recover more condition than before. So, compared to the past situation, they need less rests.

Depending on which tactics you use a match will make your players lose more or less condition. Man to man and Hard pressing tactics will make your players lose more, while other tactics won't. And if you don't have a cup and you have 3 matches in one day, that means you will have many hours without any match (before or after these 3). Use these periods to train, go up in your bonus and leave your players fully rested afterwards.

Also, the system doesn't "force" you to do trainings, it's only a suggestion. "Better preparation" means more team bonuses, but you can manage to get very high bonuses by training the day before (before going to sleep for example) and leave your players to rest. That's what I do.

Then in the morning your bonuses will be all 8%, and you can quickly get them back to 10% if you have enough time to train before the next official match. If you don't have enough time, 8% bonuses are good enough anyway, or you can use some rests (not even close to 40 or 50) or you may settle for 8% bonus.

Poor Moi. Having to deal with all of us angry managers. :p

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Originally Posted by Bogdalinho

yeah sure, equality between players, nice joke. you just want us to buy more tokens

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It's not rocket science, it is not fair for some managers to get hundreds of boosters while others get much less.

And no, you don't need to buy more tokens, and no, you don't need 100 rests / day to keep going. If you think you need 100 rests every day, you need to change your daily activities/training.

I just explained why you don't need this amount of rests to keep your team fit, including training to get maxed on bonus, check it out :)

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Originally Posted by Tactician

It is because you were using a lot of offers. Try to do that now. :p
With 19 players in the squad playing in 3 competitions, no wonder why you depended so much on offers for packs. 1-2 excessive injuries periods or a few periods where you needed to use full pressing for a few matches and you will be back here complaining that most of your players are in poor condition and that you don't have enough packs to boost their conditions. Also, it is evident that you will have more trouble boosting the bonuses from training with 19 eligible squad players only. So, it is your fault if you decide to stick with less squad players than the maximum allowed and depend more on offers for green packs.

Do you think that I have proposed a 25-player squad just like that?

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The only problem is when you have a storm of injuries.
In normal cases, you can compete in all 3 competetions with 19 players and maintain the 10% training bonus most days without the need of rest packs. Sometimes this becomes harder but most times is bearable. This is how I play without using rest packs most days.

Another problem is that you won't be able to power train fast trainers without buying tokens
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For me I can't buy tokens due to some reasons.
I just want to try powertraining a fast trainer to 7-8* in my 5* squad and farming is the only way for me to heal excessive injuries and powertrain a player.
Also I'm doing some calculations on the new training bonus system to understand it clearly so without farming ( and I can't buy ) all of these would be impossible.

What do you think ???

Agree about green packs. I'm using less than before the update.

Moi,
I just want a fixed number of ad videos for every country. I don't want the '100' rest packs per day.
Maybe 15 per day for example.
Since the new update on my android I didn't get ANY videos not even 1 or 2 until this moment. So this is unfair and I can't find the equality you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Medo zalata

Moi,
I just want a fixed number of ad videos for every country. I don't want the '100' rest packs per day.
Maybe 15 per day for example.
Since the new update on my android I didn't get ANY videos not even 1 or 2 until this moment. So this is unfair and I can't find the equality you're talking about.

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If you were seeing some video offers in exchange for boosters before this update and now you don't see any in the same device, please let me know your team name by private message and we'll check, as it shouldn't be the case.

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Originally Posted by Moi

It's not rocket science, it is not fair for some managers to get hundreds of boosters while others get much less.

And no, you don't need to buy more tokens, and no, you don't need 100 rests / day to keep going. If you think you need 100 rests every day, you need to change your daily activities/training.

I just explained why you don't need this amount of rests to keep your team fit, including training to get maxed on bonus, check it out :)

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sure, and you chose the worst possible solution, you could have let all players to farm 100 green packs/ day, but you preferred to limit all players. like always

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Originally Posted by Medo zalata

The only problem is when you have a storm of injuries.
In normal cases, you can compete in all 3 competetions with 19 players and maintain the 10% training bonus most days without the need of rest packs. Sometimes this becomes harder but most times is bearable. This is how I play without using rest packs most days.

Another problem is that you won't be able to power train fast trainers without buying tokens
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For me I can't buy tokens due to some reasons.
I just want to try powertraining a fast trainer to 7-8* in my 5* squad and farming is the only way for me to heal excessive injuries and powertrain a player.
Also I'm doing some calculations on the new training bonus system to understand it clearly so without farming ( and I can't buy ) all of these would be impossible.

What do you think ???

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Below is for those that can't earn green packs or tokens from offers and won't be buying tokens.

The provided green packs by the game (from the training facility, substitution bonus, and gifts from friends) won't be enough, especially if you have not reached to a certain game level where all facilities have been developed to maximum.
Even with 22 players, it is difficult to keep all the bonuses to 10%, especially before the first match of the day that is usually in the morning. Also, some bonuses are more difficult to maintain, for example the attacking bonus, unless you have way to much attackers than usually required for a squad of 22 players. As an indication, my team's training bonuses usually lies in the 6-10% range, where the average being around 7-8%. It is hard to keep all the bonuses at 10% before each match.

22 players may not be enough if you have to use tactics that consumes more condition for say 1 match in every 3-4 matches. 2 matches requiring full pitch pressing in the space of a day or two, and you won't be able to maintain the bonuses as you will have to let your players rest more. Once the bonuses drop below 6%, it will cost you a lot of green packs to bring them back to 10%. Also, if those two matches are close to each other, say 3-9 hours, you will definitely need to use green packs.

The red packs provided by the game only are definitely not enough. 1-2 periods of excessive injuries will likely exhaust the red packs that you accumulated, and will even force you to sell your injured players.

All that being said, you can still win a competition without buying tokens or completing offers, but it will be hard to compete in all 3 competitions with limited resources and a squad of 22 players. It will also be hard to win at least a competition every season. Last season, my team won the league (and undefeated too for the 26 matches), was Cup finalist, and was knocked-out at the 1/16 stage of the C.L. I did all that with a team around 90-100% in quality. I did not buy any scout players, any recommended players, any negociations' players and also I did not do any power-training.

There is no need for a lot of 7-8-star players, nor is there the need for a lot of special abilities or multi-positions. Special abilities are bonuses; multi-positions are for convenience; 7-8-star players are usually needed mostly when you are put to play against higher level active teams in the Cup. Don't get influenced by what you see here on some posts on this forum. Power-training, training for additional positions and for special abilities are a waste of money, that is if you have to buy tokens and turn to green packs to do those trainings. It is better to buy the close to 7 stars scout players or recommended players than choosing the more expensive option which is power-training 5-star players that were bought from the auction market. Some users might tell you that the so called fast-trainers last longer than scout players, but the way this game functions, you will have to changed most of your players every 2-3 seasons unless you use a lot of green packs to keep them up to the required standards each season. Power-training is only worthy if the user can get a lot of green packs from offers.

So, briefly, a manager with limited resources (tokens, green packs and so on) can win competitions with a decent quality team (around 100%) using good management and good tactics; the only major problem is when excessive injuries occur.

Tactician,

I completely agree with you.
Last season, i was undefeated at the league and won the cup and was trolled at the group stage of CH.l ( although there were stronger teams in my league and my team was 4th strongest in the league 86% against 2 94%s and one 86%).all of that with only for a few green packs of a 35T manager and maintained the 10 training bonus for most days.
What I mentioned about power training only to have fun with a world class player in 5* team whose name is messi :D ( surely we play to have fun, don't we?? )

However I insist on letting a few videos for all countries not some of them.

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Originally Posted by Bogdalinho

sure, and you chose the worst possible solution, you could have let all players to farm 100 green packs/ day, but you preferred to limit all players. like always

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It does not work like this. Else, I would be have had 100 packs or so per day from offers too. It depends on the offer providers. Some users were having way too much offers while some almost none (and even none).

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Originally Posted by Medo zalata

Tactician,

I completely agree with you.
Last season, i was undefeated at the league and won the cup and was trolled at the group stage of CH.l ( although there were stronger teams in my league and my team was 4th strongest in the league 86% against 2 94%s and one 86%).all of that with only for a few green packs of a 35T manager and maintained the 10 training bonus for most days.
What I mentioned about power training only to have fun with a world class player in 5* team whose name is messi :D ( surely we play to have fun, don't we?? )

However I insist on letting a few videos for all countries not some of them.

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I know about the fun or feeling. :)
I have had 7 star players in the past when I was buying a lot of tokens. But you might get more disappointed and annoyed when your team, despite having a few 6-7 star players and you using superior tactics, gets knocked-out of the C.L or the Cup by a team consisting of mainly 4-5 star players because of the excessive significance given to randomness in this game.
If you want, you can save green packs to train only one particular player, for example a fast-training attacker. You will also be able to keep him for 3 seasons. It is possible to save some greens packs. Use a squad rotation system and avoid using orders that use more condition.

Hi Moi,

I am just curious what level are you at?

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Originally Posted by Moi

A quick update regarding video offers:

...With the changes, now all users are able to complete equal number of offers every day, making the system more fair....

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So what is the oficcial limit?

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Originally Posted by tgog79

So what is the oficcial limit?

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I can't say official, but last two days were 40 for me.

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Originally Posted by tgog79

So what is the oficcial limit?

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The official limit for me is 0 till now

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Originally Posted by Moi

If you were seeing some video offers in exchange for boosters before this update and now you don't see any in the same device, please let me know your team name by private message and we'll check, as it shouldn't be the case.

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OK I've sent you a message.

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Originally Posted by Moi

This situation of having some official matches in the same day has not changed in Top Eleven for years (which every manager faces), there's nothing new about it with this release. As I mentioned, before 2015 release (January 2015) there was no way to get these hundreds of boosters daily from video offers, you could get some but not hundreds. And in relation to this, now players recover more condition than before. So, compared to the past situation, they need less rests.

Depending on which tactics you use a match will make your players lose more or less condition. Man to man and Hard pressing tactics will make your players lose more, while other tactics won't. And if you don't have a cup and you have 3 matches in one day, that means you will have many hours without any match (before or after these 3). Use these periods to train, go up in your bonus and leave your players fully rested afterwards.

Also, the system doesn't "force" you to do trainings, it's only a suggestion. "Better preparation" means more team bonuses, but you can manage to get very high bonuses by training the day before (before going to sleep for example) and leave your players to rest. That's what I do.

Then in the morning your bonuses will be all 8%, and you can quickly get them back to 10% if you have enough time to train before the next official match. If you don't have enough time, 8% bonuses are good enough anyway, or you can use some rests (not even close to 40 or 50) or you may settle for 8% bonus.

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well... like i say in that case, what is the point of the new training system for normal free user? just for us to take a look if the rest only 3h +6%... that is useless for a full training.... a normal (or good) training section...usually - around 12-15%...which need 6 to 9hr to recover, and then + 2 to 3 match a day.... wow...enough?

and you know what, every time i didn't do the 2 training or just go for it easily (like only -7.5% for using 5 drill)...i lost the following game... that is every time happen to me (well, and every time I got the AM said "we are unlucky" or "they are very lucky" in report)

well.. for boosters...i never get over 100 a day, not sure for others, but i am not asking to get that back a lot, i am suggesting the rest recovery should be more. like 2hr +6 or 7% at least? which we can do some good training and face the game... if not, the whole new training system is useless to most of the players. that looks only build for the token buyers.

and the official matches in same day... i can understand some day 3 game a day if in CUP, CL and league.... but i just totally don't understand that why some time, even only have league and CL left, the system will still schedule 2 league in a day (one at 10am...one at 5pm) and one CL game (2pm) in the same day ....while after those 3 games in the same day...the next game will be the day after tomorrow (referee or AM need a day off??)...

The game doens't work anymore on my phone. Is there a way to go back to 4.3 or other old version? If not, im quitting, because i can't even open in the pc, it takes too long time and it is so slowly.

Can someone add me I'm always active I'll support y'all matches

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Originally Posted by Alan Solis

The game doens't work anymore on my phone. Is there a way to go back to 4.3 or other old version? If not, im quitting, because i can't even open in the pc, it takes too long time and it is so slowly.

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Try uninstalling and reinstalling the app from the store. If it doesn't work, please contact our Support team in our Help Center, and tell them which device and OS version do you have.

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Originally Posted by Medo zalata

The official limit for me is 0 till now

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I understand you're currently seeing videos again Medo :)

Hey Moi, explain why some or most managers lose a match when we don't train our players twice before a match or sometimes using easy training sessionS still cause the team to still lose a match? It doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by Madman

Hey Moi, explain why some or most managers lose a match when we don't train our players twice before a match or sometimes using easy training sessionS still cause the team to still lose a match? It doesn't make sense.

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Maybe you were only unlucky.
As for me, I train only my substitutes in the morning to have the bonus then I don't train again during the day unless my players 99% and I have 3 hours so they will be recovered before the match.
Also, to get the training bonus don't use hard training session. Hard training sessions are useful to strengthen your players not the bonuses.

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Originally Posted by Madman

Hey Moi, explain why some or most managers lose a match when we don't train our players twice before a match or sometimes using easy training sessionS still cause the team to still lose a match? It doesn't make sense.

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That's totally unrelated, it doesn't matter when you train, the benefit for the team/players is the same and training has no other influence in matches rather than the "improvement" every player has got from it, and the team bonuses. It doesn't matter if you have trained (or not) just before.

Please help me understand what fixes were made regarding connection. I was fortunate that I very rarely disconnected during a match. However, since the update I have lost connection in all but one match; last night's several times. Makes no difference if I am at home, work, or out on the cell network. Seems we went backwards a bit on this one. Thank you.

We haven't made big changes regarding this, so I am not sure what could be your case. Can you please reinstall the app just in case? Afterwards if you keep having problems, please contact our Support team using the inapp Support (click the "?" button next to Settings) and add as much information as possible about your issue.

I'm very happy about the fairer distribution of boosters. In Ireland, we only got a few a day now the last few days about 30 a day! I can play my best 11 every match now...great work nordeus, thanks!

People complaining they no longer have 100 boosters a day need to realise how lucky they were, not complain now it's a level playing field

New update is good except for the smaller amount of videos you can watch to get rest packs.

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I'm very happy about the fairer distribution of boosters. In Ireland, we only got a few a day now the last few days about 30 a day! I can play my best 11 every match now...great work nordeus, thanks!
People complaining they no longer have 100 boosters a day need to realise how lucky they were, not complain now it's a level playing field

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SO, it's the Irish who took the free packs from the British :p
LOOOL

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Originally Posted by Frozen Fire

I'm very happy about the fairer distribution of boosters. In Ireland, we only got a few a day now the last few days about 30 a day! I can play my best 11 every match now...great work nordeus, thanks!

People complaining they no longer have 100 boosters a day need to realise how lucky they were, not complain now it's a level playing field

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well.... until now, i got nothing after the new update~

and i wish the update is something about the youth player also. now we need to pay 12-24 token for a youth....really??? the youth from my own building need token to sign...and they are 4 star with 24 token... that is crazy...

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Madman
Hey Moi, explain why some or most managers lose a match when we don't train our players twice before a match or sometimes using easy training sessionS still cause the team to still lose a match? It doesn't make sense.

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well, some or most of the managers gonna loose anyway a match :p

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That's totally unrelated, it doesn't matter when you train, the benefit for the team/players is the same and training has no other influence in matches rather than the "improvement" every player has got from it, and the team bonuses. It doesn't matter if you have trained (or not) just before.

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you must realize that when assistant saying we must do 2 training before the next game, it's something like a marketing, a reminder about the new training system.
This has to do more with the +bonus during the game and nothing more.
If we already have for example the 10%, there is no need but still assistant will send this message.
I won many games without making the between training.
Sometimes, if it's bother me , I set two simple training in a crap player I have and not gonna use in the game and this message disappears.

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Originally Posted by motrin

I can't say official, but last two days were 40 for me.

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42 today here.