Worst ratings ever?

[k1tb]

I did something completely wrong?

[talisman]

I did something completely wrong?

No, you used a recognised counter to that formation. But, it is further evidence that 4W defences are no longer as effective against a narrow attacking formation as they once were. I tend to use 3N-1-4-2 or 3N-1-5-1 (depending on opponent strengths) against 4-2-1-3 and get better results even against stronger teams.

[k1tb]

No, you used a recognised counter to that formation. But, it is further evidence that 4W defences are no longer as effective against a narrow attacking formation as they once were. I tend to use 3N-1-4-2 or 3N-1-5-1 (depending on opponent strengths) against 4-2-1-3 and get better results even against stronger teams.

Then I should use 3N DC against even 2 attackers? Works better than 3W defensive players?

[talisman]

Then I should use 3N DC against even 2 attackers? Works better than 3W defensive players?

It looks like nowadays if you're faced with a narrow xMC-AMC-xST formation then better results are obtained by using a 3N-DMC-2/3MC defence, and putting wide midfielders (ML/MR or AML/AMR) in to counter any wide defenders the opponent has. If the opponent is narrow in attack but has wide midfielders then the wide defenders (DL/DR or DML/DMR) are still needed. That is my current thinking based on experience with my own team and analysis of results for the rest of the matches in the League.

[Cloverfield]

I did something completely wrong?

Low ratings indeed.
I would recommend not to use 451v against formations that attack solely through the middle.

Prefer to boost your middle part of your tactics.

Go for something like 3dc-1-3mc-2w-1.

It works better.

As talisman said 4 defenders even with 1 dmc seem not to work fine with narrow-middle formations.

Try the suggestions and check if it works better.

For me it really does the difference (and I am a fan of 451v as well )

I counter above formation with 3dc-1-2mc-3w-1 to take advantage the lack of oppo's dm

[czero]

Ok,useful tips with those narrow/wide 3 defenders. I could understand the loss but c'mon, he didn't deserve so many 5.x rates. Not with these tactics.

[talisman]

More evidence from today's Cup Semi-Final match just finished - in previous seasons I would have gone straight for 4-5-1V against 4-3N-3. If I had today, then I would have had a 101% team, against the opponents 108%. Going for 3N-1-3N-2AMW-1 reduced my overall Quality but gave me players in vital positions to counter the opponent.

[gizzmo]

I think the latter is THE ultimate counter ever: can't remember losing to 4-3-3 with this.

[nikolgiorgos]

It looks like nowadays.......................................... .................................................. .............

it looks like nowadays, almost every second game oppo GK makes 5-6 saves in a match with a rate of 8 and our GK 0-1 with a low rate, so I don't know with this factor we can recognize if a formation works or not.
Old times, 5-6 saves in a game was very rare.

[gizzmo]

What did your AM said ? It was not your day ??