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    I've mentioned countering orders a few times in my posts.

    What it refers to is studying the previous match history of an opponent to figure out if the manager falls into a pattern.

    However, what I think is the key question here is, can orders be countered? If so, what is the relationship between the orders that can be countered? Even if orders can be countered, are some of the orders, just cosmetic?

    I base my strategy on counter orders do exist. And to provide evidence that this might work, I'll share my match history against a team both the OP (Kto) and I are familar with, it's the level 8 tanking CL winner, Panos FC. My association faced his 5 times in associations, and him and I went head-to-head in all 5 meetings. Panos had over 90% passes completed in all our head to head meetings, and played a Christmas Tree for the first 9 meetings. So the 90% completed means short passing, and i'm assuming attacking because Christmas Tree is an attacking formation. By the third meeting, I had picked up on the pattern.

    1st meeting: He loaned out 8 starters, I played as 15% favorite. Won 6-2 and 5-2
    2nd meeting: Bug weekend
    3rd meeting: Me (140%-150%) Him; I won 2-0 and 1-0
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    5th meeting: Me (141%-158%) Him. I won 4-0 and 2-1

    Considering the quality gap, and my 5-1-0 head-to-head record as a double-digit underdog, it can't be troll. Once, maybe twice can be troll but not 6 out of 6. So it has to be something with the orders I applied that produced this success; which leads me to believe counter-orders do exist and there is a relationship between the passing type (long, mixed, short) and mentality combination, and that combination can be countered. Same for High Press/Counter-Attack(and maybe offsides) combination, but not sure how to tell if opponent is using these orders.

    To add to this theory, I've lost the first leg to a signficantly lesser team in associations three times this season already. So can't pick up on pattern + having stronger team = 3 defeats. 50% 1st leg defeats as a favorite,(60% as significant favorite) probably too frequent an occurrence to be troll as well I would think. Once maybe, but 3 times idk.

    P.S. Sorry I don't have more pictures for photographic proof; I didn't screenshot enough stuff.
    Last edited by pcmacdaniel; 06-20-2017 at 10:52 PM.
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