Do you like the idea of skipping Levels ?

A lot of managers who can be in level 5 - 15 - 25 - 35- 45 for instance , CAN buy hundreds/thousands of tokens and $$$ or they have've saved them ....
but the game rule tie them to a slow progress by allowing them to buy players with strength that is maximum one level above him ... such approach
limit the progress of each manager and might kill the ambition...


The idea of skipping levels


This idea encourage managers to work harder on their players by training and reward their progress and ambition by allowing them to skip one-three levels per month at least...

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Why aren't managers allowed to buy players that are much strong if they have resources ( either they were saved or ready to invest real money) ?

Why a manager in level 13 but have trained his players to 9 stars still plays next season in level 14 not 15 or 16 to avoid bullying?

Why don't the game punish tankers + managers position 8-14 by degradation ( go down one level ) + closure of training for gaining skills until he promotes again ?

Why the manager who has uninstalled the app and quit the game or has stopped training his team and watched his games for 15-20 days has right to maintain his position in level 46 instead of going down to level 45 and so on ??


The game has an engine that can categorize teams according to their power ( it's now categorizing teams in league/CL/ cup draw + association draw according to power)... so why the game tie managers to a slow rate of progress ( one level each month) ?


Is it fair that a smart person ( like Guardiola / Jop Heinks / Morinho / Zidane / Conte etc) or a rich person (like messi or ronaldo or even bill gates ) . is it fair that they to start in Level 1 and spend like 5 years to reach the top server although they have the mental skill or resources to compete with the best managers that are at top server now ?

Well I wouldn't buy a 8* player at the amount of 369 token (as proposed in the English tour) or make a 9* player knowing I could be pushed 3 levels above and my 8*/9* became suddenly a normal 5*/6* player

I don't like this idea at all

*I'm gonna do my best to avoid the word "stupid"*

USARABAT, you clearly can't predict any consequences of what you've proposed. It serves no purpose and completely breaks the existing balance, as bad as it is. What will it bring to the game, what problems will it fix? Helps poor Bill Gates to reach high level quickly? Why would anybody want it? You think playing on a high level is somehow better?
Leveling up in this game gives you nothing except a number, that represents -- roughly -- how long you play this game. Why do anybody would want to skip a level? To lose -40% or -60% of players quality at once, and make the game harder for no reason?
Why do you want to implement the demotion? We have a problem in this game -- tankers, and you want to buff them. Seriously?
It is that rare case where I'm glad Nordeus won't implement anything any way. And, I'm sorry, your idea is pointless, strange and stupid... oh damn it! =]

With this the game would be absolutely unbalanced... the top server is actually at level below the 70, this would mean have players in the level 210 but to do leagues you need at least 14 teams so really, have no practical sense.

I think that the best that can be done is realive the job centre to takeover clubs from level 0 etc and create a top server.

Then we can discuss the sense of the levels too, that for now is nonexistent, but this can go too long rlly lol

Not only do you need 14 teams to create a league, but Nordeus needs 8 leagues at every level on every server to generate the following seasons champions league and super cup. This means 112 teams at every level in every server. If at level 1 on any given server more than 112 new accounts in a month are started then a further 8 leagues have to be created.
Also bearing in mind the need for Nordeus to keep apart successful/ active/spending managers at lower levels I would imagine Nordeus probably has 32 leagues at level 1 every season.
However I think the reverse of this applies at the highest levels. Where there are only a handful of active managers at a level on a server it would make sense for Nordeus to reduce the number of leagues being played. Why waste time, effort and space running leagues full of bots just to generate the following seasons CL and SL? And this is why high level players end up facing plus 3 level teams.
I can see why the suggestion was made to skip leagues. It would help fill up the higher levels with active teams. But I really don't think Nordeus has much interest in retaining managers after a couple of years. Bored? Start a new team.

not good idea
If I was a rich manager, I would prefer to play every level and fill my trophy room with doubles or trebles.

But I liked the option of the old TE, to take over a new club from the beginning.

I just think that all together the idea wouldn't been seen with good eyes by most of us. First of all would somehow highlight that Top Eleven is looking for more money rather then for a better experience. The promoting level in Top Eleven is quite "trademark", almost unique and probably the best feature the game have it at the moment, why would they destroy it by changing something that is working "OK" (more or less, those who get higher opponents do not curse on me ;) ).

It's also a drastic change in the game system so we don't really now what exploits this thing can create or advantages for those who use it.

I've seen many of you complaining that the level won't go along with those on the highest level, like level 100 vs 70, well isn't like that, would go OK cause those who would over grown in level would be sent to play with the highest levels from that server so actually this is a pro thing for the servers. Like this is more likely to have competitions and new levels on the server but would also need to come with adjustments for the transfers like Scout and so on. All together to much work for something that won't be to used by to many as it would be to expensive.

Anyway just for you, imagine if you can skip by 2 levels and the highest level si 70, you would have to play 35/36 seasons, that's still more then a year and half which anyway is a huge amount of time.

I do not support the idea but wouldn't surprise me to see it in the game at some point, especially seeing that Top Eleven gave pretty much all the people requested and they were against at the start.

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Originally Posted by PricopGeorgeCătălin

The promoting level in Top Eleven is quite "trademark", almost unique and probably the best feature the game have it at the moment

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Manager who got promoted suffers quality loss, gets nothing back, and this whole situation forces him to tank. And you call it "unique and probably the best feature"? Punishing players instead of rewarding them?
Did I get you wrong?

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Originally Posted by Toxcatl

*I'm gonna do my best to avoid the word "stupid"*

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LOL... You always putting a smile on my face. Priceless man

IF you buy or train 1 player only to 9 stars , that won't push you 3 levels above ... You need at least 8-11 ...

IF you do that, you'd unlock two levels above you and yes your players would lose their advantage but eventually you would be unlocking new stronger players on auction, scout , negotiations ...

Skipping levels should be an OPTION 2 available to the current system of the game which is based on slow progress.

In other words there should be two options not only one:
A- slow progress one level each month for people who don't like to invest money.
B- Quick improvement (skipping levels ) for people who like to invest money and do fast train.

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Originally Posted by Altiplano

Why waste time, effort and space running leagues full of bots just to generate the following seasons CL and SL? And this is why high level players end up facing plus 3 level teams.
I can see why the suggestion was made to skip leagues. It would help fill up the higher levels with active teams.

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EXACTLY ! That's the main purpose of my suggesting... I spent 33 seasons and now in 33 level. I don't remember facing more than 4-5 active managers in every season after season 10. There are many (bot - abandoned teams NOW between level 34 and top server ... Why WE , the active managers, can't take their place if we had resources and skills instead of WASTING MORE TIME to take their position?

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

I liked the option of the old TE, to take over a new club from the beginning.

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I joined the game in July 2015 and I don't remember I've seen this option. But I would like to take over a new club in level 40 or 45 (not below my current level) if it was abandoned by his manager.

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Originally Posted by Toxcatl

USARABAT, you clearly can't predict any consequences of what you've proposed. I do see the positive results but your mind can't or don't want to see the advantages

It serves no purpose What will it bring to the game, what problems will it fix?

I will mention just few :
1- abandoned teams will go down the server gradually month after another instead of remaining at the same level as ghost teams and new ambitious managers will replace them quicker ...
2- saving time to reach higher leagues and increase competition: active managers will face only active managers ...

Helps poor Bill Gates to reach high level quickly? Why would anybody want it? You think playing on a high level is somehow better?
Stupid questions ....

Leveling up in this game gives you nothing except a number, that represents -- roughly -- how long you play this game.

It brings more competition among active managers at least ...

Why do anybody would want to skip a level? To lose -40% or -60% of players quality at once, and make the game harder for no reason?

They will lose 40-60% true , but they will unlock new levels .... they will be 5 * stars again and face 5 * teams and their auction / nego/ assistant will unlock stronger players ... it's much better than the actual system which favors BULLYING. Again, this should be AN OPTION for people who would like to invest real money and not obligatory to anyone


I'm glad Nordeus won't implement anything any way.
It's just an idea and I don't give a **** if they do implement it or no ... but if they do , they will gain more money :D


And, I'm sorry, your idea is pointless, strange and stupid... oh damn it! =]

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It might be stupid and strange from your perspective, but for damn sure it's NOT pointless ...

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Originally Posted by PricopGeorgeCătălin

Anyway just for you, imagine if you can skip by 2 levels and the highest level si 70, you would have to play 35/36 seasons, that's still more then a year and half which anyway is a huge amount of time.

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Every server has a MAXIMUM number of managers (let's say 100,000 ) categorized into 60-70 levels according to the date of joining.

What I am suggesting is to (option1) allow ALL managers (let's say 100,000 ) to have equal access to the most strongest players on the server( at the first two days of the season, each according to his own resources same as in real world (or option 2) to buy 7 -8-9 stars players from auction. At the end of day 2 , the auction closes and managers will be categorized according to their power EACH SEASON, not according to the date of joining the game.

Examples: manager who invest let's say 500 dollars to purchase very strong players to jump and play lets say in level 10
Managers who watch free videos and reach a team with 7 or 8 stars will be forced to skip one level next month.
Managers who don't train their team will lose - 20% and go down in one level and give their space to a manager from a lower level.
This suggestion will also make many teams stay in same level although they were in top 8 in their league because they didn't train their team enough or buy stronger players ...

The top server will always remain let's say 75. and players will also will have a maximum lets say 350 that they can't exceed. ( a football player is not a super man ) but the managers will go up and down according to their power / training ...

Now we're playing in a triangular shape game that has a large base ( thousands of managers ) and small peak ( only tens ).

Some thoughts
Why don't the game ALLOW ( not force- as this suggestion should be an option not obligatory) ITSELF to take a square shape ( same amount of managers at low - middle - high leagues ) , a diamond shape users with a small base large body and small amount of managers at peak or even an upside down pyramid with large amount of managers at the top (day 1 they join the game and stay at top as long as they maintain their team in good shape or go down the pyramid if they don't ... ?

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Originally Posted by Altiplano

Not only do you need 14 teams to create a league, but Nordeus needs 8 leagues at every level on every server to generate the following seasons champions league and super cup. This means 112 teams at every level in every server.

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Except in the top server, in the case that there's 1 league only there with 14 teams, all these join the CL + the teams of the proper levels.... same with the Cup, what we called "Shark Cup" here since time ago...

Just as info'... by the way I keep my thesis about the creation of a top server and punish inactives with the decrease of training and building levels.
A relegation zone only can be implemented IMO if all the players over 5* are sold... buuut.... xD

USARABAT
I don't know if I get the "spirit" of your thread but want to spot that in higher levels doesn't mean that there are better or more active teams.
My reserves in a different server, have many friends, old players of the game (levels 45-50 and above).
Most of them now are boring and don't care or play their seasons in auto.

Good active teams can be in every level.
I remember I made this suggestion in an old thread

#26
https://forum.topeleven.com/tutorial...-system-3.html

Of course that needs more flexibility in changing servers.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

USARABAT
I don't know if I get the "spirit" of your thread but want to spot that in higher levels doesn't mean that there are better or more active teams.
My reserves in a different server, have many friends, old players of the game (levels 45-50 and above).
Most of them now are boring and don't care or play their seasons in auto.

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I know that man , i have many close friends at higher leagues and top server ...
That's why I suggested the idea of DEGRADING in parallel with skipping levels (go down one level at least ) teams who don't train enough their team/ buy better players / below 8th position / or abandoned their team.

Here's a new suggestion: Degrading teams who don't watch 15 games out 26 in their league.

This is the only way you reward active and ambition managers and punish reckless / careless ones ...

No body has yet answered my question : why does a team who is abandoned by his manager stays in league 56 for example for 3 months and then the system replace his old players and stays in same level longer, while many active / ambitious/ skilled/ or maybe rich managers are ready to take his place ?

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Originally Posted by khris

Except in the top server, in the case that there's 1 league only there with 14 teams, all these join the CL + the teams of the proper levels.... same with the Cup, what we called "Shark Cup" here since time ago...

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At my server , there are at least ( I see two - not sure if there are more ) two leagues at top server ( at least 24 teams ) ... some of them inactive ...

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That's why I suggested the idea of DEGRADING in parallel with skipping levels (go down one level at least ) teams who don't train enough their team/ buy better players / below 8th position / or abandoned their team.

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- That's a very bad suggestion.
Remember all those pro tanking teams (mostly the Turks and others) in top100.
They will end at LV1 with all the benefits (stadium, sources, experience ...)

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No body has yet answered my question : why does a team who is abandoned by his manager stays in league 56 for example for 3 months and then the system replace his old players and stays in same level longer, while many active / ambitious/ skilled/ or maybe rich managers are ready to take his place ?

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LV56 it's time you 're playing the game and where are you know.
Doesn't mean that a Championship of LV56 is better than a championship of LV26.
Or a manager of LV56 is better than a manager of LV56.
When I was here in the forum as LV12 manager, with 10 months experience in the forum, I was giving advice or info to managers from levels 20 or 30.

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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos

- That's a very bad suggestion.
Remember all those pro tanking teams (mostly the Turks and others) in top100.
They will end at LV1 with all the benefits (stadium, sources, experience ...)

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Kindly explain in detail why is it bad ?

I imagine it as following: If team X has now 100% was degraded , his team will go down one level and become 80% and if this manager didn't improve his team ( didn't watch / train/ buy players) will go down one more and his players will be 60 % and so on .... until he returns to level 1 with 1% power players ... that's how I imagine it ... so how do u see that they can abuse this idea ?

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Originally Posted by USARABAT

If team X has now 100% was degraded , his team will go down one level and become 80%

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C'mon, you can't be that ignorant.

Answer instead of acting like a cloon :D

I have posed some good questions in my main topic and some of my comments but yet no body have answered them yet. I colored them in red now , maybe you will pay more attention.

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Originally Posted by USARABAT

Answer instead of acting like a cloon :D

I have posed some good questions in my main topic and some of my comments but yet no body have answered them yet. I colored them in red now , maybe you will pay more attention.

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justb to point,

"If team X has now 100% was degraded , his team will go down one level and become 80%"

100% wins level =80%
100% loses level = becomes a 120%

The "internal skills" that works in levels of 5 still been the same as in the old versions... as said, the only way to have a relegation zone in conditions, (knowing that the game will not touch the "base" of the players doing a substraction of skills, is auto sell the +5* players... then you are relegated with the 5* as 6*... fair.

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Originally Posted by khris

"If team X has now 100% was degraded , his team will go down one level and become 80%"
100% wins level =80%
100% loses level = becomes a 120%

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Solving the tanking (intentional) behavior shouldn't be a big fuss and should be punished by :
1- Degrading one level to make them lose -20% instead of remaining in same level to be able to add 20% more ...
2- Closure of training facilities until they promote to the above level. (Training won't add more skills to players but increase bonus only)


Anyhow

To sum up the ideas of this topic :
A- Punish careless managers + intentional tankers by degradation + the closure of training facilities
B- Reward skilled smart + rich managers by the option of skipping one/three level each month.
( ex- allow the manager who wins the league and why not the runner up the option to skip one league if he wants to )
C- Allow everybody to buy 7/8/9 stars players BEFORE THE LEAGUE DRAW through auction as long as they have enough resources ...

oh, so it's about tanking again ?
I had 2-3 ideas/ suggestions, more simple than this mess - lol

This is my solution for tanking, but Nordeus does not listen.
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Originally Posted by Toxcatl

Manager who got promoted suffers quality loss, gets nothing back, and this whole situation forces him to tank. And you call it "unique and probably the best feature"? Punishing players instead of rewarding them?
Did I get you wrong?

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Just please add everything I said. There are exceptions and is freaky annoying I know from own experience but otherwise is something really great.

Lol! all you need is ranking system like Association to know where you place at your level. Seriously is not about higher or lower level.
Instead of going to higher level why not choose a League. Pro League, Semi Pro and Ameture. Like Asso concept Plarinium Gold and Silver.

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If someone's takes entire team to 160%, that'll cost roughly $400 US Dollars, under OP proposal the reward for that is to promote 3 or 4 levels. I don't think I've ever seen any idea that is less friendly to our friends that make the game free for the rest of us than this.

If nordeus implements relegation, I will quit the game.