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i liked this update iwant the game more fair for all players
Thread: [Official] Changes to Training
stop whining kids
i liked this update iwant the game more fair for all players
what will it look like
Has anyone found out what this has done to the 'Goalkeeper training' method of Power Training?
What about PT to give SA and additional position?
Completely borked them, I'll bet.
No buying 3* players and PT them up to 6* any more
Any formation or tactics advice given is based purely on experience with my teams...
#4
Hey there. Thought I'd give you a face to shoot at I suppose.
So. Let's not forget what this added change has done, and that is - It eliminated the mutating of players for good. I'm wondering what you're on about Kaizer Franz, but if there is yet another way to do this, don't worry we'll find out fast. The players them self come around and tell us. That support channel isn't just for technical issue reporting.
So mutants are done. New ones won't be created. Some of you seem to diminish the problem with mutants while others still remember how that was one of the main points of discussion for plenty of periods of time here on the forum. I am not sure who of you who diminish the importance of this were actually milking the exploit for all its worth but let me remind you that it was never taken lightly over here.
You may think it's pretty easy to deal with something like this but as you can see even this little (microscopic) change did quite a ripple effect. How much of that effect is true to its value and how much is being overblown is yet to be seen. And determined it will be with upcoming days. But yeah, it ain't as easy as "Just do what the players are telling you to do!!!" - Even in the past, whether you believe it or not, plenty of the changes have come exactly from the community. But if you think the community has a hive mind and thinks and acts the same way... oh boy, wake up. Even here on the forum there are groups of people with vastly differentiating opinions that either agree or disagree depending on what's on the daily agenda.
I'm sorry to hear that there might have been people affected who've never dabbled in this damn thing, though.
I have one player whit black skils 1%, and white skils 150+, but I have it for 7 months, is not mutant..and now does not play good...why?Originally Posted by Jeeves
You seem to eliminate problems after problems ! Good , but i bet in the future you will have 0 problems to solve cause there will be less and less people to play your game ...
You create things and features that you break and erase then , there are plenty and i can tell you some of them : job center , loan , training feature that is now broken ( it was great at the beginning ) and many others .
So don't create anything more .
No doubt people will report you if there is a little window to exploit coz there is so many loosers and haters in this game , that's a part of the reason it is my last seasons here .
No other words and no time to spend with you , your people and your game ...
Completly broken , no fun yet ...
#7
It is your decision to take the route of exploiting Kaizer (If I get the proper message from your posts, that seems to be the case here), so naturally you would call every other player out there a looser. It's called a "Choice-supportive bias". You would defend your methods to the very end as long as your narrative would continue to hold ground for you personally.
You may not like the design of the game and you may hate the direction it is taking. You're contempt beyond belief and yet stick around... out of spite? While you're having a fun run with your methods you walk over other players who would get discouraged by having to face competition like you. I am glad we could annihilate yet another exploit. The greater part of the player base will benefit from that.
The hater is you in truth. But I can understand that the changes in the game brought you to this point. The game changes and whoever likes the changes will stick with it, those who enjoy what they're greeted with will hook up and have fun playing, those who ultimately do not enjoy what they do will abandon their club. As sad as it is, everyone makes their choice Kaizer. Your choice was to stick around and play out of spite. Our choice was and will remain to be "Update the game and improve the experience as best as we can". Sometimes that may backfire at us but we'll always try to make amends. Regardless of how much some of our players may feel disdain for us at any point.
P.S. If I wanted to have to deal with mutants I'd play Fallout not Top Eleven. >.>
Yeah i am able to put my balls on the table and assume i am a hater !
If there was a world top 100 list of haters i would probably have a nice ranking . The others are too weak in front of me lol .
I notice it is the first time you charge someone in your comments Jeeves . Strange , there is something behind this i think but no problems ...
Yeah Jeeves , as you said , it is MY WAY . I decide to took this way to win everything cause i am a winner lol . You create a system so why i wouldn't exploit this at the maximum ??? It is the goal !
Your prefer middle class manager who don't know how the system works ...
Don't worry you will have " le revers de la médaille " soon .
Good luck !
"i am a winner lol . You create a system so why i wouldn't exploit this at the maximum ??? It is the goal ! "
You need a overdose of Japanese sense of the honor, little creature of the lord.
#10
When it comes to speaking up this ain't the first time I've done it Kaizer. Here you go. Everyone is welcome to read and make the conclusions that suit them. Call it a charge if you wish. In the end your chosen nomenclature for my actions will be such as to best suit your POV. And that is completely normal.
About the Training system and this change - Apologies but I can't provide a pleasing amount of details. So I'll try to work with what I have. Because ultimately the design of the change is such that player-mutation is rendered impossible.
Up-selling is dead. Whoever wants to test this is welcome to do so at their leisure. And the thing is dead exactly because of what made it possible in the first place. The whole method with negotiations was to dodge slowing down of player training due to him raising to super high average quality value.
In the past we put down a cap on attributes, where 340% was the max achievable value. This was done exactly because we didn't want to outright eliminate one of the ways of training that some managers found proper for their strategies, namely - Concentrate on a single Skill tree and in doing so, to further specialize the player. Well... exploiting continued as many of you saw. Yes, these mutants ain't no where near the craziness that their past version would be, but normal managers still got hurt. This method would still allow for the manipulation of draws in competitions.
So we tried to figure out another way. Another way that would still close the gap but allow managers to have as many options when deciding on training as in the past.
This change is the compromise we reached.
What happens from here on after is that you can continue to employ a player-specializing strategy to training, you can still specifically raise one of the player's skills by concentrating on that skill's attributes. But in the long run, if you'd like that player to keep rising in overall quality, you'll have to train up his other attributes a bit as well. That's it. That's the whole spiel. And to be completely honest... everyone please take a good look at how drills are set up. You have already noticed that various drills cover various attributes from several skill at the same time. Additionally, most players have more than a single role (Or if yours don't, well I'll just mention that it's more empowering to have players with more than a single Role because that's just how it is. It's natural. Greater choice in formation. Greater possibility to have the right man for the job), and you should naturally strive to have players like that. And the more roles a player has, the more Key Attributes the player will be able to train.
And all this is talking about one certain method of training - Specializing. Any other strategy already incorporates a plethora of attributes from 2 or 3 skills at the same time.
So to wrap it up - I am sorry... but we can't have our cake and eat it at the same time. But now you can still have enough leftover cake and still be full. i.e. we took away some of the freedom in order to close up a detrimental exploit and still to a large degree allow managers to have a lot of leeway with their training strategies.
And I think a Training Guide is a great idea by the by. I'll start working on an official one to add to the other ones I wrote.
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