The Reasons Top Eleven is Terrible.

[Der_Ryan_M]

All those are reasons why I wanted to quit the game this summer, yet I'm still back for this season because of all the nice people I met with Top Eleven really. And there is next to none better football management game out there which is not pay to win.
It bothers me, that you can't really play the game competitively in a sense, where you just outsmart your opponent by strategy, tactics, planning and so on. An unusual result can appear behind every corner.

For me the way I play this game is just casually leaning back and try to enjoy it as much as possible... That means no spending on the game at all and also not put too much time in it, as it would probably only disappoint me then when I lose against people who don't.
If that's what Top Eleven developers wanted then yes. I think they earn their money with new players (if I take a look down at low levels on my server, there are so many 8 star teams and so on) or some hardcore players to an extent.

[maloukees]

All those are reasons why I wanted to quit the game this summer, yet I'm still back for this season because of all the nice people I met with Top Eleven really. And there is next to none better football management game out there which is not pay to win.
It bothers me, that you can't really play the game competitively in a sense, where you just outsmart your opponent by strategy, tactics, planning and so on. An unusual result can appear behind every corner.

For me the way I play this game is just casually leaning back and try to enjoy it as much as possible... That means no spending on the game at all and also not put too much time in it, as it would probably only disappoint me then when I lose against people who don't.
If that's what Top Eleven developers wanted then yes. I think they earn their money with new players (if I take a look down at low levels on my server, there are so many 8 star teams and so on) or some hardcore players to an extent.

Me too, just enjoy......

[Berlitz]

It bothers me, that you can't really play the game competitively in a sense, where you just outsmart your opponent by strategy, tactics, planning and so on. That means no spending on the game at all and also not put too much time in it, as it would probably only disappoint me then when I lose against people who don't.

I think that sums it up nicely:

You can't really be competitive (i.e. be a trophy hunter) because winning trophies depends in large part on luck (i.e. not getting a troll - i've been trolled 6 times in finals).
You can only play casually (i.e. put maybe 10 min a day) because otherwise, you will be disappointed when the engine makes you lose.

Unfortunately I am both. I want a game I can outsmart the opposition and think tactically, not hope the match engine works properly.

Time to return to Football Manager!

[Der_Ryan_M]

I think that sums it up nicely:

You can't really be competitive (i.e. be a trophy hunter) because winning trophies depends in large part on luck (i.e. not getting a troll - i've been trolled 6 times in finals).
You can only play casually (i.e. put maybe 10 min a day) because otherwise, you will be disappointed when the engine makes you lose.

Unfortunately I am both. I want a game I can outsmart the opposition and think tactically, not hope the match engine works properly.

Time to return to Football Manager!

Yes because at some point you just think about is your time worth it. And it would absolutely be worth it if there was a certain path to somehow guarantee me success, if I wanted to put in a reasonable amount of time and effort. But with Top Eleven there just isn't imo.
Of course there is stuff like manipulating draws but even then, no guarantee and also quite pointless to play against inactive teams. I abandoned my second club where I did this method.

Also stuff like training, upselling and farming greens, which would probably make you quite succesful is not a fun thing to do. Why would I play a game to not have fun and do boring, repetitive things all the time? It's wasted time there again.
So for me there is only one way to play the game and that's casual.

Btw: If you are german I know another good manager game but it's like I said only german and no app for mobile devices.