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    The Reasons Top Eleven is Terrible.

    I have decided that I will stop Top Eleven at the end of the season because it isn't fun anymore and the efforts invested in the game aren't worth it. My reasons are as follow:

    + Buying/selling player is tedious. Each season, you have to sell older players because they can’t keep up.

    + Applying tactics is ineffective: This is football manager game, so if you come up with great strategies you will win, right? Wrong. Players and the game engine are everything. Tactics have very little impact. The wide-known system of counter formation means players could just use the counter system to win, so Nordeus reduces the effect of tactics and increases the effect of luck. This makes people buy tokens in the hope of winning.

    + Watching the match has no effect: Giving yourself 8% more possession, then what? You have more chances to score? Nope. You replace the guys who are not playing well to help your team? – Useless. Opponent manager doesn’t show up, no problem, his team still wins.

    + Tactical commands are unresponsive. Change tactics to attacking both flanks, we don’t see more crosses, we changes tactics to offside traps, we see no offside, we change tactics to long passing, our players continue with short passes, play hard defending, you get scored on a counter.

    + Training player is annoying. This action is so simple, you just need a lot of green packs, pump skill points into 2/3 skill sets. Every player is almost the same, except their age and training speed.

    + Most skills are pointless – corner taking, defensive wall, aerial defender and freekick specialist. The rest rarely impact the game.

    + Achievements are meaningless - winning the trebles 5 times, I cannot seriously say that I earned them. Yes, I always formed a solid squad that, due to their age, would quickly outpace the competition in terms of quality. However, given the troll results and the randomness, every most of the defeats have felt like the game made me lose rather than the opponent defeated me. Naturally, I have also encountered the opposite, where my team was maybe 3-5% stronger and I destroyed the other team in what was, obviously, a troll. So if the engine fixes matches by causing one team to significantly under perform in order to favor another team, what is the point? How can you be certain that you defeated the opponent rather than the engine just made them lose.

    Conclusion about the game:

    Positives

    + Fun when you think the game is skill based and you just need to improve.

    Negatives

    - poor management and match simulation (these make the game unrealistic)
    - poor tactics (the effect of tactics is limited and tactical changes rarely affect the match (when changing orders or tactics, the response is random rather directed, assuming you even get a response)
    - poor match engine (In some games, players do not perform according to their quality or tactics. They get red carded immediately (within ‘5 of the game), pass the ball to the opponent in the penalty area, don’t run, miss shots multiple times that they would put away in any other game, etc. No matter what you do, the team performs poorly and you lose or draw)
    - too many troll results (team draws or loses despite having significant quality advantage and used decent counter formation and orders)
    - users are able to game the system (manipulating the cup and league draws by selling high quality players at the end of the season and buying low quality players; create multiple accounts to funnel tokens to the main account)
    - assistant manager comments are idiotic and inaccurate (assistant manager says it was tough but your team were underdogs when you your team quality was 25%+ higher - Nordeus needs to learn how to count)
    - zealotry of certain users (some users continuously try to justify or explain results, even when it is very obvious that the game engine disadvantaged the stronger team. They draw parallels to reality when there are none to be had).
    - developers constantly ignore the issues raised by users
    - poor user support (I have reached out at least 20 times and never got a satisfactory resolution)
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    You have some good points there but I 'm curious
    I 'm playing the game from 2014 but the last two years I 'm inactive in official competitions.
    Just playing with old friends the FA games, some events and spending some time in the forum or TE facebook.

    You 're playing only one year but the game has those issues two years now.
    It's nothing new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucian1986 View Post
    I have decided that I will stop Top Eleven at the end of the season because it isn't fun anymore and the efforts invested in the game aren't worth it. My reasons are as follow:

    + Buying/selling player is tedious. Each season, you have to sell older players because they can’t keep up.
    I think that's probably the only realistic thing in the game. Players age - they slow down, they lose their flexibility, they are more susceptible to injury. Younger, fitter, more agile players come in, they replace the older ones. The 'middle aged' players are useful on the bench for injury substitution, but you will eventually need to get rid of the older ones sometime...
    Any formation or tactics advice given is based purely on experience with my teams...


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    Lucian, for sure, take a break if the game has become a big pain. I quit many times, and I also posted reasons why I quit. Forum admins might have done their job of collecting and sending feedback, but it seems that in some areas, the problem is with the company itself. It seems either they know about some very undesirable things but they have other priorities or that the feedback of the forum weighs less or they do not care much. Some negative things have been in this game for many years but nothing seemed to have improved in those areas, which is very surprising given the amount of complaints and suggestions forum users posted. But instead, some areas seem to have worsen, and you will notice that even the admins do not reply to posts related to those undesirable things, which could be indication that they know about the problem but also about the company's priorities or objectives. There are also those examples of bad marketing (scammed-liked sales and offers) like the one recently I posted and asked questions, which is even more surprising because someone will expect Nordeus as business company to make sales or provide offers where both sides gain but not where the customer is the big loser, up to the point where it can be said that he got scammed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by talisman View Post
    I think that's probably the only realistic thing in the game. Players age - they slow down, they lose their flexibility, they are more susceptible to injury. Younger, fitter, more agile players come in, they replace the older ones. The 'middle aged' players are useful on the bench for injury substitution, but you will eventually need to get rid of the older ones sometime...
    It might have got even worse given the measures the company took supposedly against mutants. I feel that it might be harder (cost-wise but also training-wise) to keep young players to the standard quality after promoting to the next level. Another reason why there could be more tankers.

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    Trust me this is about one thing. Sucking your money out the pocket. I quit because of this event. Where I applied 10 different tactics formation. Still oppososition scored 1 goal 1 shot. In every single match. And I lost the game 9 times. Only after using 85 tokets did I beat him we have the same %

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicesquid View Post
    Trust me this is about one thing. Sucking your money out the pocket. I quit because of this event. Where I applied 10 different tactics formation. Still oppososition scored 1 goal 1 shot. In every single match. And I lost the game 9 times. Only after using 85 tokets did I beat him we have the same %
    Just do not spent real money on a game,..... just play for fun and enjoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicesquid View Post
    Trust me this is about one thing. Sucking your money out the pocket. I quit because of this event. Where I applied 10 different tactics formation. Still oppososition scored 1 goal 1 shot. In every single match. And I lost the game 9 times. Only after using 85 tokets did I beat him we have the same %
    Have you ever considered your tactic is not the best or you train or buy the wrong players?

    Why does it happen to you and not with others? I just beated a 135% guy with my 115% team but in the past the same your saying here happened to me, but instead of blaming the game you have to try and understand it, there is lots of info arround and very experienced and helpfull players

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUNO FC View Post
    Have you ever considered your tactic is not the best or you train or buy the wrong players?
    This made me laugh. There is always one person to blame the manager rather than acknowledge a very real issue in the game. If my calculations are correct, Lucian wins 87% of the games, including against other top managers, loses on average 2.5 games a season but his/her tactics, especially against abandoned teams, are the problem... right (rolls eyes). I have the same issue as Lucian despite a win rate of 91%.

    With people who blatantly deny reality, why would Nordeus address the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tactician View Post
    Some negative things have been in this game for many years but nothing seemed to have improved in those areas, which is very surprising given the amount of complaints and suggestions forum users posted. But instead, some areas seem to have worsen, and you will notice that even the admins do not reply to posts related to those undesirable things, which could be indication that they know about the problem but also about the company's priorities or objectives.
    I agree with you on so many levels and it has me questioning whether I should continue the game as well.

    With 130+ about trolls and multiple polls showing users hating this, the game has not been improved. Indeed, as you correctly pointed out, every update is a slap in the face of users. Every Nordeus update is worse for users but better for monetization. The support in game is useless and automatized. Meanwhile administrators casually ignore the issues players have with the game.

    I joined with a group of friends and all have left the game because they criticized it for being pay to win (i.e. if you want to not have your season ruined by a troll, you have to sell 50% of your team and spend tokens so you are at least 25-30% stronger than the next competitor in order to minimize the impact of the 4-8 trolls you will inevitably encounter) and false advertising (they thought it would be a management game but with the degree of randomness during certain games, they felt disenfranchised). At first, I thought that moral boosters were the remedy to prevent a team from suddenly performing poorly, but unfortunately, this is not the case. A team that has a much higher quality, is managed, with all bonuses, full moral and health, will still risk losing to a team that isn't managed, doesn't have a proper formation and no bonuses. In such scenarios, it is impossible to be honest and argue against the facts.

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