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[Sillybq]

It is one of the only ways left if users want a proper change to be done. We, as users, do not really know what has been going there at Nordeus and still going, who are to be blamed in all this but if the people at the head do not see anything alarming, that is, revenue still coming, they will unlikely be concerned in such a way that they will go looking in matters from below and thoroughly. There are so many possibilities. It might be possible that certain people from the lower levels of staff have not done their job properly. What if suppose, those at the head would care but the thing is that they do not even know about what has been going and they think every thing is running smoothly because of the regular high revenue numbers, high users activity and so on? Users need do something to send those people at the head a message.

Or maybe some of those people think that they got us trapped like people got trapped in drugs? Maybe it is the case for some users here and that is why despite all the whinings, complaints and so on, they are slaves and still 'eating this ****'.

In any business, customer demand and satisfaction are very important and are usually taken seriously into consideration. Clearly, for the case here, something is fishy.

They are not forced up but firstly why are some of them there or were here when it will not be helpful or would not have been helpful nor used by most users. That is called wasting resources and only the devs know why they did such things, maybe for the sake of introducing new things and to fool their own company by making the people at the head think that they developed or introduced new things that users will want or will be pleased and that will increase the revenue of the company when in fact this has not been the case so many times? Many times users here were like,do those people working for Nordeus even play the game or know themselves how the game functions?

About the watching video for green packs thing, you cannot say that it is not forced. It is forced because this game can hardly be played competitively without green packs, and for new users with new accounts, farming red packs might be important too. Even the daily 2X training offer is forced because it requires absurbed amount of condition loss to boost the bonuses to 8-10 % without the 2X offer. Users have become like daily working bots (or working bees) for Nordeus; they complete offers in mass that bring them big revenue, but then what do they give in return in terms of their demands and satisfaction? My point is they are just making use of us to make money, and in response to that msg about wait for the next version.... it is just a repetitive scenario that has been happening every year since years, and it is like some people want us to keep waiting having false hopes but completing their offers for them make money. I myself I have seen and also been told many times like wait for the next version bla bla bla in the past.

At some point here in the past, maybe some got the impression or thought that maybe it is only about a few users or a small fraction of the whole community, that is the feedback from the forum here did not matter much (not much weight) but with time it seems that the matter is global as there have been so many complaints everywhere from different users for the same things, not only on the forum. So, clearly something is wrong with this company.

What else can be done, maybe many of us sign a petition saying that since months and years most of our feedback had no effect whatsoever on the changes that followed in the game and that we only got more annoyed upto to the point where some of us felt insulted because the devs brought more undesirable changes and did the complete opposite of what was asked as if they are blind and deaf, and send it to the people at the head of the company? Nothing much else options left for unsatisfied users apart from quitting this game and move on.

I have to ask if you have so disappointed in the company and the game. Why do you keep coming back and playing? It is the reason why they know their game is good.

With regards to out to make money. I think many people have mentioned before that every business wants to increase revenue and profits. It will never be enough. There should always be growth in revenue and profits.

From what I read, many have mentioned the game is non pay to win and some even say it is pay to lose. Lol. On top of that, look at the hall of fame and the number of successful managers. I dare say most do not spend a dime. And with that, if you can win every trophy every season just watching videos. I would say it is still possible to be competitive without watching videos. It will be about management. I will be creating a 2nd account and have no intention of watching videos so I will document this. We won't win all trophies but I still think 1 trophy a season is possible for players who do not watch videos.

I do not think they ignore everything that we want but what is requested sometimes only benefits certain segments of users. Like some might not want a more time consuming youth academy as they have to work and have families to spend time with. And many changes requested does not benefit the company bottom line as well. Like you mentioned, it has to beneficial to both users and company.

You mentioned that they implemented many useless things. I agree. But sometimes companies have to test the market.

As long as they do not corner us into spending like some games do. It will be difficult for you to organise a mass stop. And even so, you might not get what you want

[Tactician]

I have to ask if you have so disappointed in the company and the game. Why do you keep coming back and playing? It is the reason why they know their game is good.

With regards to out to make money. I think many people have mentioned before that every business wants to increase revenue and profits. It will never be enough. There should always be growth in revenue and profits.

From what I read, many have mentioned the game is non pay to win and some even say it is pay to lose. Lol. On top of that, look at the hall of fame and the number of successful managers. I dare say most do not spend a dime. And with that, if you can win every trophy every season just watching videos. I would say it is still possible to be competitive without watching videos. It will be about management. I will be creating a 2nd account and have no intention of watching videos so I will document this. We won't win all trophies but I still think 1 trophy a season is possible for players who do not watch videos.

I do not think they ignore everything that we want but what is requested sometimes only benefits certain segments of users. Like some might not want a more time consuming youth academy as they have to work and have families to spend time with. And many changes requested does not benefit the company bottom line as well. Like you mentioned, it has to beneficial to both users and company.

You mentioned that they implemented many useless things. I agree. But sometimes companies have to test the market.

As long as they do not corner us into spending like some games do. It will be difficult for you to organise a mass stop. And even so, you might not get what you want

This is off topic here. If you want to know in detail why I quit and so on go back to my old posts. There are many reasons why I came back after quitting, but in the end, which means these days, I found out that there is no hope in making suggestions, complaints, discussion and so on about the game, that nothing much will have an effect on what the devs will bring as changes or will not change. Users look more like silly in the feedback area - as if they have been talking to themselves. There were some bad sides of the game way back, but not much for a game of that kind. I was here from when the game was a simple football management with only comments as match highlights (blue version). Then came the live animation things, the bonuses, new training system and so on which is when I made a comeback after logging back to the game to see about the new things out of curiosity. Things were still fine as such though of course there were room for improvement. In fact, this was a big improvement from the blue version, but it only got much worst later with time when associations came, then the greed of the company showed up with many of their changes they made mostly with the business side of thinking (not at all based the users side or their feeback, demands or satisfaction) upto where now we even have bet offers in the game. The problem is that those changes made the game experience worst (not because it required money or anything as such). I played this game in different ways, as a free user, as small token buyer, as a medium one, and even as a big token buyer, and I do not regret anything as such, even those hundreds of USD I spent. There has been no customer respect, importance and so on lately. I even asked for refund once and got it from Google when their game pissed me so much some time back (Guess what pissed me, it was one of their changes that made the game so inconvenient and a pain to play, and the other being the change they made with the game engine to probably cut down resource usage as things got heavy with associations matches and so on). Every change is like completely the opposite of what has been asked, and some things for example the rewards in certain events are like an insult to the customer for the time, effort and money required (really I mean it, an insult).

I say it again - my post was in response to what Dave said, which is like wait for the next version thing, a repetitive scenario that I myself have experienced many times in the past and that what, should we keep on going like this every year working like bots for Nordeus completing their offers but then waiting for the next version (with false hopes)? I told instead that what could be done if users want a proper change. You replied and brought other things which I myself I have not said in there like 'Anyway, many issues you mentioned are not forced upon us. We do not have to buy expensive double SA scouts. We do not have to buy token back inflated auction players. We do not have to spend money or complete token offers. We do not need to watch videos. It is our choice.' I did not talk about that at all here but I had to reply to you.

Do not make the same mistake as Nuno... thinking that the situation at lower levels is the same situation others face in the higher levels. Things are different. When someone complains about something, you need put yourself into his shoes and try see what is the problem and not see things only based on your side and your experience, and then saying as if there is no problem or the situation is not as the user said. In the lower levels, you can get away with a lot of things, but in higher levels not. With time, you yourself will see that. Do you think I am lying by telling you the game cannot be played competitively without green packs? Green packs are needed for a lot of things in this game, the most important is condition recovery (especially when playing in more than 2 competitions, and many already know how fixtures in a day tend to be set close to each other) and secondly is to train players. If they were not needed, then users will not be completing video offers regularly even if they are not playing seriously, tanking or even taking a break. They are literally forced to complete those offers if they want to be competitive.

You just spoke about time consuming in your last reply, what is the most time consuming in this game? It is this f**.... current auction system that requires the user to stick to the screen for hours every day till he finds the desired players. What have they done to improve that despite that there have been several complaints during those years since this thing was introduced? Nothing. This auction system is what made me quit the game one time or more. It is not about the prices but more about the inconvenience and pain to find the desired players to buy. If you have not figured it out, I am not the kind of user looking for 'charity' here. I do not mind paying for things as long as I am getting what I want.

Yeah, that is my point, developments and changes must be beneficial for both the company and the users. Users demand and satisfaction should be very important. It cannot be only 1 sided, but what has been going on for long has been one sided. The worst is that some developments or changes did not even benefit the company (so no side at all) as such as users hardly even used those like the betting offers, highly overpriced daily and recommended players where besides the high price, many do not even fit to the taste of the user or what he is looking for, and so on. So, why even they were put there and still here.? It is like wasting the limited working resources of the company when those resources could have been used for something that users wanted. It is more like some people at Nordeus been fooling the heads of the company making them think they made these developments which will bring a lot to the company when in fact they are failures (and many times some users remind them that they are failures and some even said things like do they even play this game and know how the game works). Like I said, there is clearly something wrong going with this company.

[Sillybq]

This is off topic here. If you want to know in detail why I quit and so on go back to my old posts. There are many reasons why I came back after quitting, but in the end, which means these days, I found out that there is no hope in making suggestions, complaints, discussion and so on about the game, that nothing much will have an effect on what the devs will bring as changes or will not change. Users look more like silly in the feedback area - as if they have been talking to themselves. There were some bad sides of the game way back, but not much for a game of that kind. I was here from when the game was a simple football management with only comments as match highlights (blue version). Then came the live animation things, the bonuses, new training system and so on which is when I made a comeback after logging back to the game to see qbout the new things put of curiosity. Things were still fine as such though of course there were room for improvement. It only got much worst later with time when associations came, then the greed of the company showed up with many of their changes they made mostly with the business side of thinking (not at all based the users side or their feeback, demands or satisfaction) to where now we even have bet offers in the game. The problem is that those changes made the game experience worst (not because it required money or anything as such). I played this game in different ways, as a free user, as small token buyer, as a medium one, and even as a big token buyer, and I do not regret anything as such, even those hundreds of USD I spent. There has been no customer respect, importance and so on lately. I even asked for refund once and got it from Google when their game pissed me so much some time back (Guess what pissed me, it was one of their changes that made the game so inconvenient and a pain to play). Every change is like completely the opposite of what has been asked, and some things for example the rewards in certain events are like an insult to the customer for the time, effort and money required (really I mean it, an insult).

I say it again - my post was in response to what Dave said, which is like wait for the next version thing, a repetitive scenario that I myself have experienced many times in the past and that what, should we keep on going like this every year working like bots for Nordeus but then waiting for the next version (with false hopes)? I told instead that what could be done if users want a proper change. You replied and brought other things which I myself I have not said in there like 'Anyway, many issues you mentioned are not forced upon us. We do not have to buy expensive double SA scouts. We do not have to buy token back inflated auction players. We do not have to spend money or complete token offers. We do not need to watch videos. It is our choice.' I did not talk about that at all here but I had to reply to you.

You just speak about time consuming, what is the most time consuming in this game? It is this f**.... current auction system that requires the user to stick to the screen for hours every day till he finds the desired players. What have they done to improve that despite that there been several complaints during those years since this thing was introduced? Nothing. This auction system is what made me quit the game one time or more. It is not about the prices but more about the inconvenience and pain.

Yeah, that is my point, developments and changes must be beneficial for both the company and the users. It cannot be only 1 sided, but what has been going for long has been on sided. The worst is that some developments or changes did not even benefit the dompany as such as users hardly even used those like the betting offers, highly overpriced daily and recommended players and so on? So, why even they were put there and still here? It is more like some people been fooling the heads of the company making them think they made thise developmemts which will bring a lot to the company.

Chill mate. You sound agitated. Anyway, my response was simply to you to not think everyone thinks and plays like you. What you dislike or do not use in the game might not represent everyone. So if you do not like it, it's ok. We are not forced to do anything. You of course can and will disagree. All of us have our own opinions and are not easily influenced. Good luck getting people to quit with you. We all will benefit from one less strong competitor

[Tactician]

Chill mate. You sound agitated. Anyway, my response was simply to you to not think everyone thinks and plays like you. What you dislike or do not use in the game might not represent everyone. So if you do not like it, it's ok. We are not forced to do anything. You of course can and will disagree. All of us have our own opinions and are not easily influenced. Good luck getting people to quit with you. We all will benefit from one less strong competitor

You are saying me to chill when you do not see what is the problem with your replies.

You have the right to reply, not agree with me or dislike what I have said given that I replied in 'public', but you have been making insinuations. The latest one is just in your last reply.

What nonsense is this?

'What you dislike or do not use in the game might not represent everyone. So if you do not like it, it's ok. We are not forced to do anything. You of course can and will disagree. All of us have our own opinions and are not easily influenced. Good luck getting people to quit with you. We all will benefit from one less strong competitor'

Where did I told that I am representing everyone or that you (Sillybq) are forced to do this, to buy scouts with two special abilities, to buy players in an inflated auction market bla bla bla bla? What makes you think I am trying to influence you? Are you even among those users that been through this repetitive scenario of being told to wait for the next version? You have added so much things that this will mislead others instead if them seeing my point. Where did I told that I want everyone to quit with me? What is the purpose of your replies here, to make insinuations that might mislead other readers and turn them against me? If you have any personal problem with me for whatever reasons even though I doubt I did you anything wrong, you can say so straight and openly instead of taking corners. Or have you completely misunderstood me?

Wait... now me (and some others) are competitors to you and whoever else is there in this we you said? Why don't you say what is the real problem or the real issue for you acting like above? Strange how can we be competitors when we are miles apart in the game... or maybe the forum competition has something to with it? If it is forum competition then go act like this with those users that kept joining each time despite that they came out of top 3 so many times in the past ones. I only joined in this season's competition in an attempt to break this trend where more or less the same users were winning season after season after I have seen that others will unlikely have a chance to win given that the usual winners joined again. I have nothing to hide. I just said it all openly. They still getting lucky though as yesterday my team scored 12 goals but there were no assist.

How many times I have to say that my reponse was to Dave's post (I clearly quoted his reply in my reply) in relation to something that he said that had been a repetitive experience in the past for me and some other users - users that have been told to wait for the next version when the current version was poor or not upto expectations and the next main version (X.) only resulted to them being told to wait for the next main version, and this process carried on, and I said why should they keep waiting with false hopes but then supporting this game and so on, but you brought so many things into the discussion - some of which that I myself not said or intended. I talked for myself and some specific users there, not for you nor for everyone. I replied after according to what replies you posted to me. You are a new user here (only been here during one transition) and was not involved in this repetitive experience or scenario through the past years. You should go back and read my replies thoroughly instead of making annoying insinuations.

[Sillybq]

You are saying me to chill when you do not see what is the problem with your replies.

You have the right to not agree with me or dislike what I have said given that I replied in 'public', but you have been making insinuations. The latest one is just in your last reply.

What nonsense is this?

'What you dislike or do not use in the game might not represent everyone. So if you do not like it, it's ok. We are not forced to do anything. You of course can and will disagree. All of us have our own opinions and are not easily influenced. Good luck getting people to quit with you. We all will benefit from one less strong competitor'

Where did I told that I am representinng everyone or that you (Sillybq) are forced to do this, to buy scouts with two special abilities, to buy players in an inflated auction market bla bla bla bla? You have added so much things that this will mislead others instead if them seeing my point. Where did I told that I want everyone to quit with me? What is your purpose here, to make insinuations and mislead people and turn them against each other? What is wrong with you today?

How many times I have to say that my reponse was to Dave's post in relation to something that he said that had been a repetitive experience in the past for me and some other users - users that have been told to wait for the next version when the current version was poor or not upto expectations and the next main version (X.) only resulted to them being told to wait for the next main version, and this process carried on, and I said why should they keep waiting with false hopes but then supporting this game and so on, but you brought so many things into the discussion - some things that I myself not said or intended. I talked for myself and some specific users there, not for you nor for everyone. You are a new user here (only been here during one transition) and was not involved in this repetitive experience or scenario through the past years. This is the problem and hence your replies.

Ok ok let’s put an end to this. You are obviously a very argumentative person who thinks all experienced players play like you, think like you and have the same spending power and time as you. I admit I am a new player but I will never believe that you are anything like the majority representation of experienced players.

Next time I will stay on topic and comment on every post you have since I can’t go off topic. As if talking about mass stop or recommended players was on topic to begin with.

[Sillybq]

You are saying me to chill when you do not see what is the problem with your replies.

You have the right to reply, not agree with me or dislike what I have said given that I replied in 'public', but you have been making insinuations. The latest one is just in your last reply.

What nonsense is this?

'What you dislike or do not use in the game might not represent everyone. So if you do not like it, it's ok. We are not forced to do anything. You of course can and will disagree. All of us have our own opinions and are not easily influenced. Good luck getting people to quit with you. We all will benefit from one less strong competitor'

Where did I told that I am representing everyone or that you (Sillybq) are forced to do this, to buy scouts with two special abilities, to buy players in an inflated auction market bla bla bla bla? What makes you think I am trying to influence you? Are you even among those users that been through this repetitive scenario of being told to wait for the next version? You have added so much things that this will mislead others instead if them seeing my point. Where did I told that I want everyone to quit with me? What is the purpose of your replies here, to make insinuations that might mislead other readers and turn them against me? If you have any personal problem with me for whatever reasons even though I doubt I did you anything wrong, you can say so straight and openly instead of taking corners. Or have you completely misunderstood me?

Wait... now me (and some others) are competitors against you (and whoever else is there in this we you said)? Why don't you say what is the real problem or the real issue for you acting like above? Strange how can we be competitiors when we are miles apart in the game... or maybe the forum competition has something to with it? If it is forum competition then go act like this with those users that kept joining each time despite that they came out of top 3 so many times in the past ones. I only joined in this season's competition in an attempt to break this trend where more or less the same users winning season after season after I have seen that others will unlikely have a chance to win given that the usual winners joined again. I have nothing to hide. I just said it all openly. They still getting lucky though as yesterday my team scored 12 goals but there were no assist.

How many times I have to say that my reponse was to Dave's post (I clearly quoted his reply in my reply) in relation to something that he said that had been a repetitive experience in the past for me and some other users - users that have been told to wait for the next version when the current version was poor or not upto expectations and the next main version (X.) only resulted to them being told to wait for the next main version, and this process carried on, and I said why should they keep waiting with false hopes but then supporting this game and so on,, but you brought so many things into the discussion - some things that I myself not said or intended. I talked for myself and some specific users there, not for you nor for everyone. I replied after according to what replies you posted. You are a new user here (only been here during one transition) and was not involved in this repetitive experience or scenario through the past years. This is the problem and hence your replies. You should go back and read my replies thoroughly instead of making annoying insinuations.

Yes I believe I did misunderstand you. I knew you wanted to quit and when you suggested mass stop. I had the impression the guy who wants to quit wants to sabotage the game. And yes, your reply was to Dave. But it doesn’t mean I cannot try to make you see it from a different perspective.

We all ultimately will meet one day through associations or just by leveling up. That’s if I do not die first since it will take me years. Also I have no idea which server you are in, if by some rare chance we are in the same server. You might compete for the same player in auctions. Events like KOTH as well. More players quitting benefit the rest who play on as there are more abandoned teams.

I have nothing against you personally and I do not dislike you either. I might have been insensitive in trying to get you to see that not every player is as smart as you. Some will buy those whatever players you think are a waste of resources. And that you should allow Nordeus to take advantage of these players so we all can continue to enjoy our free to win game.

[Tactician]

Yes I believe I did misunderstand you. I knew you wanted to quit and when you suggested mass stop. I had the impression the guy who wants to quit wants to sabotage the game. And yes, your reply was to Dave. But it doesn’t mean I cannot try to make you see it from a different perspective.

We all ultimately will meet one day through associations or just by leveling up. That’s if I do not die first since it will take me years. Also I have no idea which server you are in, if by some rare chance we are in the same server. You might compete for the same player in auctions. Events like KOTH as well. More players quitting benefit the rest who play on as there are more abandoned teams.

I have nothing against you personally and I do not dislike you either. I might have been insensitive in trying to get you to see that not every player is as smart as you. Some will buy those whatever players you think are a waste of resources. And that you should allow Nordeus to take advantage of these players so we all can continue to enjoy our free to win game.

Well put that aside. I can see what is the problem for your case. You thought that my intention was bad and that I wanted to sabotage the company given that I plan to quit the game - sort of egoistic and malicious action, but no, I want affected users to send this company a strong message because feedback, complaints and discussions on the forum, for example, did not change anything as such. This can be done in a few ways like I already told - stop supporting them, a petition and so on. If I wanted to sabotage the company, why would I be here wasting my time writing posts about different things on this forum? Why would I be wasting my time replying to you? I mean I could be posting on the big social websites in areas where many users of this game are, showing them the bad sides of this company and their game and even add some spice and so on so that many users will likely get influenced.

But before closing on this thing, I must say that you said some strong things clearly on intention (even in the post before the one quoted above) there in regard to me and also made some disturbing insinuations. The user that liked those posts that were mostly like a personal attack only revealed further about him - no excuse. But all good for me as instead of bothering to try change things for the better here, I will stop. It is not my loss. So from now I am not going to post and contribute anything on this forum to try improve things for users. I do not even feel that I should be addressing myself to some people here again.

[Sillybq]

Well put that aside. I can see what is the problem for your case. You misunderstood and maybe you thought that my intention was bad and that I wanted to sabotage the company given that I plan to quit the game - sort of egoistic and malicious action, but no, I want affected users to send this company a strong message because feedback, complaints and discussions on the forum, for example, did not change anything as such. This can be done in a few ways like I already told - stop supporting them, a petition and so on. If I wanted to sabotage the company, why would I be here wasting my time writing posts about different things on this forum? Why would I be wasting my time replying to you? I mean I could be posting on the big social websites in areas where many users of this game are, showing them the bad sides of this company and their game and even add some spice and so on so that many users will likely get influenced.

But before closing on this thing, I must say that you said some strong things (even in the post before the one quoted above) there in regard to me and also made some disturbing insinuations. The user(s) that liked only revealed further about them. But all good for me as instead of bothering to try change things for the better here, I will stop. So from now I am not going to post and contribute anything on this forum to try improve things for users. I do not even feel that I should be addressing myself to some people here again.

I am not sure what I said that affects you that much but believe me, I have no malicious intent. I disagreed with you on some points that's all. I also tried to put myself in the place of the developer. We like this game in general and want it to succeed as well. I am happy as long as they do what's best for the majority.

Certain things they did for bottom line profits and I respect that as long as they are able to support the non pay to win formula.

[Der_Ryan_M]

About the watching video for green packs thing, you cannot say that it is not forced. It is forced because this game can hardly be played competitively without green packs, and for new users with new accounts, farming red packs might be important too. Even the daily 2X training offer is forced because it requires absurbed amount of condition loss to boost the bonuses to 8-10 % without the 2X offer. Users have become like daily working bots (or working bees) for Nordeus; they complete offers in mass that bring them big revenue, but then what do they give in return in terms of their demands and satisfaction? My point is they are just making use of us to make money, and my response was for that msg about wait for the next version as it is just a repetitive scenario that has been happening every year since years, and it is like some people want us to keep waiting having false hopes but completing their offers for them make money. I myself I have seen and also been told many times like wait for the next version bla bla bla in the past.

From what I read, many have mentioned the game is non pay to win and some even say it is pay to lose. Lol. On top of that, look at the hall of fame and the number of successful managers. I dare say most do not spend a dime. And with that, if you can win every trophy every season just watching videos. I would say it is still possible to be competitive without watching videos. It will be about management. I will be creating a 2nd account and have no intention of watching videos so I will document this. We won't win all trophies but I still think 1 trophy a season is possible for players who do not watch videos.
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I have currently 3 teams sitting in a Gold I association where I play without farming green packs and I'm just doing fine. One team Level 12, another 15 and the third 40 (I played the L40 team as second team with farming 2 years ago)
On one of them I am winning the league, the other 2 are 2nd and 4th in their league. Almost every season I get CL places and sometimes make a CL quarterfinal or cup semifinal or so. I won the Super League once 4 seasons ago on one club. Also won a cup on some account and between 2 and 5 leagues. I have around 70-90% club strength every season, so recover from 70 at the start to 90 at the end with buying some players and through development of the young players I tend to buy.

I log in once a day on one of the clubs (so every 3 days in the same club, sometimes more on weekends because I have friends in asso who I dont want to disappoint and want to keep Gold I) and train bonuses to 10%, player bonus to 8% and recover injuries. As I'm an experienced player, I also manage to save tokens and greens on these accounts slowly but steadily. Other people might buy a scout or whatever from them.

I don't manipulate. So I think I play these teams like the normal Top Eleven player. Maybe he buys a monthly card, because he don't know much about the games functions. I played the game a long time like this on my main account as well. A lot of People who don't care play this game and may pay something. Look at so many Gold 3 to Gold 1 assos that are like this.

Then you have a handful of pay players who may invest 100-200€ every season. I know someone like this. I mean the game is fun. I farm greens because I have the time and its fun to be better than others and train players and win games against strong teams. I also don't really support things like the 2x SA scouts or tokens back. It's silly. But there are so many people who don't care, who log in, have fun and are happy. And Nordeus is winning every day from them, because the game is probably quite cheap to run. Few servers, few people who manage it, that's it.

I stopped playing in summer and wanted to quit. Maybe I am addicted, I think so. Because I came back and couldn't quit. I missed Top Eleven, it's not the worst game in the world.