Quote Originally Posted by Tactician View Post
About the watching video for green packs thing, you cannot say that it is not forced. It is forced because this game can hardly be played competitively without green packs, and for new users with new accounts, farming red packs might be important too. Even the daily 2X training offer is forced because it requires absurbed amount of condition loss to boost the bonuses to 8-10 % without the 2X offer. Users have become like daily working bots (or working bees) for Nordeus; they complete offers in mass that bring them big revenue, but then what do they give in return in terms of their demands and satisfaction? My point is they are just making use of us to make money, and my response was for that msg about wait for the next version as it is just a repetitive scenario that has been happening every year since years, and it is like some people want us to keep waiting having false hopes but completing their offers for them make money. I myself I have seen and also been told many times like wait for the next version bla bla bla in the past.
Quote Originally Posted by Sillybq View Post
From what I read, many have mentioned the game is non pay to win and some even say it is pay to lose. Lol. On top of that, look at the hall of fame and the number of successful managers. I dare say most do not spend a dime. And with that, if you can win every trophy every season just watching videos. I would say it is still possible to be competitive without watching videos. It will be about management. I will be creating a 2nd account and have no intention of watching videos so I will document this. We won't win all trophies but I still think 1 trophy a season is possible for players who do not watch videos.
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I have currently 3 teams sitting in a Gold I association where I play without farming green packs and I'm just doing fine. One team Level 12, another 15 and the third 40 (I played the L40 team as second team with farming 2 years ago)
On one of them I am winning the league, the other 2 are 2nd and 4th in their league. Almost every season I get CL places and sometimes make a CL quarterfinal or cup semifinal or so. I won the Super League once 4 seasons ago on one club. Also won a cup on some account and between 2 and 5 leagues. I have around 70-90% club strength every season, so recover from 70 at the start to 90 at the end with buying some players and through development of the young players I tend to buy.

I log in once a day on one of the clubs (so every 3 days in the same club, sometimes more on weekends because I have friends in asso who I dont want to disappoint and want to keep Gold I) and train bonuses to 10%, player bonus to 8% and recover injuries. As I'm an experienced player, I also manage to save tokens and greens on these accounts slowly but steadily. Other people might buy a scout or whatever from them.

I don't manipulate. So I think I play these teams like the normal Top Eleven player. Maybe he buys a monthly card, because he don't know much about the games functions. I played the game a long time like this on my main account as well. A lot of People who don't care play this game and may pay something. Look at so many Gold 3 to Gold 1 assos that are like this.

Then you have a handful of pay players who may invest 100-200€ every season. I know someone like this. I mean the game is fun. I farm greens because I have the time and its fun to be better than others and train players and win games against strong teams. I also don't really support things like the 2x SA scouts or tokens back. It's silly. But there are so many people who don't care, who log in, have fun and are happy. And Nordeus is winning every day from them, because the game is probably quite cheap to run. Few servers, few people who manage it, that's it.

I stopped playing in summer and wanted to quit. Maybe I am addicted, I think so. Because I came back and couldn't quit. I missed Top Eleven, it's not the worst game in the world.