Why manipulating draws might actually diminish your fun

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02-19-2020
Der_Ryan_M

Why manipulating draws might actually diminish your fun

Now, this is a story all about how my top eleven game experience got flipped-turned upside down and I'd like to take a minute just sit right there I'll tell you how I became a better player and have more fun in the game, just by not-manipulating draws and taking on challenging opponents. (Kudos to those who see what I did here)
Also maybe want to hear your opinions on the subject, maybe you can convince me of the opposite (again). :D

So long story short, in facebook groups and here on forum I see so many people who seem to get their enjoyment out of this game by beating abandoned teams and getting good statistics plus filling their trophy cabinet with cups, that, if you think about don't mean that much to be honest, they just look good.

Well, for a long time I was also of the opinion that this might be cool and I even opened a second club (because my normal club already had a fairly bad statistic, because I played this game like a noob for a long time) and started to play like a "pro".
After 10 or 12 seasons or so, I almost won every trophy, some trebles, had an insane record and a player who scored almost 1000 goals by the age of 26. And I was getting bored, thinking to myself - why am I doing this and really there is nothing that special about it...

Don't get me wrong, from my time on this account, I know that it is not like really easy to win every trophy every season, you need to train and manage your ressources and you might get the odd hard opponent here and there as well, even as a manipulator. But these are mostly like the finals and if you are still the stronger team then and happen to lose one, you only feel disappointment, because you are so used to winning every game.

But what if I tell you, that you probably miss out on so much fun and so many things in this game by playing this way?

For the last 2 seasons on my main account I did take on the challenge. First season it was by accident as well, because I was testing the new youth academy and their players' quality put me in the strong league, cup and so on. But you know, I somehow enjoyed it.
There is no better feeling in this game than winning as the underdog. Not expecting much, playing against a level higher 10% better guy in cup, who is also active and watching the game and then leading 4-0 with your well trained and tactically set-up team, while he is trying to gain control with a sub and so on.
It's the stuff you miss out on when playing against bots. It really brings out a competitive aspect in the game, that is quite enjoyable I have to say. I'm at 131% now, the highest I have been in a longshot and I compete vs 140% guys (a level higher) in cup and CL.
In my league is a 143% former tanker, who did win the league last season and I had no chance. Currently I'm only one point behind him and it's a classy title race.

You just feel so much better beating the big guns compared to beating bots. And also less disappointment when you get beaten here and there by another good player. I wouldn't have thought it, I must say.
Also it really makes you see the entire game from another perspective again and it makes you a better player, being able to adapt to your opponents. Therefor you win less trophies, but who cares... The statistics on my main team are bad anyway. And always good to beat a trophy hunter in associations then, when he has to play vs a similiar quality player.

You know, I don't say all of you should do it. If you have fun playing the way you do, keep on. I found it nice for a while, I might come back to manipulating when I feel like it. But you might miss out on something, just saying... :)
02-19-2020
Sillybq

We can have multiple accounts so we can have fun in different ways. I only have 1 other account and it's a stress free account. I try different things and have fun with it. My personal objective for that account is to never ever win a trophy with it. No need to train, watch videos and watch matches. Even so, it's wasn't that easy. Had to set tanking formation at times. Sometimes the game just hands trophies to you at early levels without the need to manipulate.

Also next season, the first team for that account would be 100 percent YA produced so it will be fun seeing how they do without any help or intervention. Ok I will intervene if they are close to winning anything.

But with regards to playing with the big boys and fighting it out. I will give it a miss. Had tons of that in Top Soccer Manager where manipulation is the norm and there are few bots. It ain't fun losing after all the hard work and effort. You just end up jaded and feel like quitting.
02-19-2020
HeavensAAA

Totally and surely have that same feeling, and that is also exactly why I have joined the current platinum association and stayed there despite being a constant fight against relegation for all 4 seasons in a row (asso always finish within 1350 and 1400 points, and none are tankers ;), so it is easy to imagine what the pressure of getting 250 points every season could be like).

Even worse is that 50%+ of the time my asso match-up would be at least 5%-8% better (another 25% about 3%-5% better, and only 4 opponents were worse [can really count as they were so rare]), so it really forces me to set up and master on how to win via counter against opponents of up to 10% better, and also properly build my team to win by those 7-0 or higher margins in all other daily matches with a 20%+ advantage. Semis and finals opponents are tough too, as it is very normal to be drawn with similarly draw manipulating managers too.

This is probably the most balanced approach that I personally would take when I would like to:
1) Win all trophies - to show (off ;)) competitiveness
2) Maintain platinum with the current fight-for-survival association - for the Ts reward, and also a very good weekly training ground against better opponents
3) Aim for a minimum 7-0 wins or higher for every daily matches with 20%+ advantage by testing all different formations, tactics and in-game substitutions possible (the ‘default’ margin is about 4 to. 5-nil, and getting 10-0 wins is a sign of doing the right thing)
4) Achieve some great 300-game unbeaten run or 100+ winning run would be fantastic
5) Keep manipulating draws to save resources until it doesn’t work (when it gets to higher level, this won’t work anyway)

As you say, each of us value trophies, achieving records, company within associations, and very probably winning an unlikely trophy by beating opponents as an underdog differently. Each of those has its own sense of achievement and enjoyment within too.
02-19-2020
Max

Why manipulating draws might actually diminish your fun

Quote:

Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M

Now, this is a story all about how my top eleven game experience got flipped-turned upside down and I'd like to take a minute just sit right there I'll tell you how I became a better player and have more fun in the game, just by not-manipulating draws and taking on challenging opponents. (Kudos to those who see what I did here)
Also maybe want to hear your opinions on the subject, maybe you can convince me of the opposite (again). :D

So long story short, in facebook groups and here on forum I see so many people who seem to get their enjoyment out of this game by beating abandoned teams and getting good statistics plus filling their trophy cabinet with cups, that, if you think about don't mean that much to be honest, they just look good.

Well, for a long time I was also of the opinion that this might be cool and I even opened a second club (because my normal club already had a fairly bad statistic, because I played this game like a noob for a long time) and started to play like a "pro".
After 10 or 12 seasons or so, I almost won every trophy, some trebles, had an insane record and a player who scored almost 1000 goals by the age of 26. And I was getting bored, thinking to myself - why am I doing this and really there is nothing that special about it...

Don't get me wrong, from my time on this account, I know that it is not like really easy to win every trophy every season, you need to train and manage your ressources and you might get the odd hard opponent here and there as well, even as a manipulator. But these are mostly like the finals and if you are still the stronger team then and happen to lose one, you only feel disappointment, because you are so used to winning every game.

But what if I tell you, that you probably miss out on so much fun and so many things in this game by playing this way?

For the last 2 seasons on my main account I did take on the challenge. First season it was by accident as well, because I was testing the new youth academy and their players' quality put me in the strong league, cup and so on. But you know, I somehow enjoyed it.
There is no better feeling in this game than winning as the underdog. Not expecting much, playing against a level higher 10% better guy in cup, who is also active and watching the game and then leading 4-0 with your well trained and tactically set-up team, while he is trying to gain control with a sub and so on.
It's the stuff you miss out on when playing against bots. It really brings out a competitive aspect in the game, that is quite enjoyable I have to say. I'm at 131% now, the highest I have been in a longshot and I compete vs 140% guys (a level higher) in cup and CL.
In my league is a 143% former tanker, who did win the league last season and I had no chance. Currently I'm only one point behind him and it's a classy title race.

You just feel so much better beating the big guns compared to beating bots. And also less disappointment when you get beaten here and there by another good player. I wouldn't have thought it, I must say.
Also it really makes you see the entire game from another perspective again and it makes you a better player, being able to adapt to your opponents. Therefor you win less trophies, but who cares... The statistics on my main team are bad anyway. And always good to beat a trophy hunter in associations then, when he has to play vs a similiar quality player.

You know, I don't say all of you should do it. If you have fun playing the way you do, keep on. I found it nice for a while, I might come back to manipulating when I feel like it. But you might miss out on something, just saying... :)

I completely agree with you here, although it is nice to have a carefree season sometimes, I like to play good teams and beat them, there is nothing better than it. I have never manipulated a draw and I never made an attempt to do it, I find it easier to not do that as I then have to spend ages on the opening day of the season buying players which I am certainly not w fan of.

Now, I will tell you, I have played the game for fun, for under 3 years, I am coming back from another month break, but when I was on a good run in the Champions League, I was unbeaten there for 2 seasons while I won it twice, I felt at one stage in the second season’s semi finals, He was also unbeaten for 52 matches prior to me playing him. I thought that I was going to be obliterated and my title defence was going to look shameful, but no, I logged in nervously to find out I won 0-3, wow no way. I had clear daylight between myself and my opponent for the second, don’t get me wrong, he was good, He beat an even opponent like 12-4 on aggregate in the Quarter Finals, I was even to him but I expected to be bashed in that game, my assistant said a few days after that after an important title contender’s League that my team had a strong mental desire which I never heard him say before, he always said my team performed like crap whenever we drew or lost a match.

Anyway, after that league match, I had the second semi finals game at home, I thought that they would come back but I won 3-0, no this guy was not any pushover, he was slightly stronger than me and he won 3 trophies from the previous season.

I won the final, with my new Club Max FC without manipulating, I won 12 titles in 7 seasons including 2 Champions League titles, I had never won a Champions League before I made that account and yet I had done with really competitive teams.

The cup went well too, I reached 4 finals in a row, winning the first 3, with decent competitors. I had fun at the time, and I think that if I was manipulating at the time, I would have been bored out of my mind.

I won the league 4 times in my 7 active seasons. I had a few very close calls from losing the league title, well certainly not the last one because I won by 23 points., but I did no manipulation there.

I had around an 87% win percentage or so in all the competitions I participated in those 7 seasons, I am not counting the seasons I tanked in or the competitions that I tanked out of like in season 6 obviously because I was not trying as I was on a break.

Here is my trophy cabinet from those 7 seasons, I only played the league and cup in the last season, because I took a month break the previous season. The previous season, I was knocked out in the cup round of 16 and Champions League group stages, I won the league that season though, Yes I skipped a season but that was the on I tanked in. I will show my record before I tanked in 2 out of the last 3 seasons and before all the losses appeared due to my tanking. I will show all of the trophies I won in those seasons as well. I am proud of them because as I said, I performed no draw manipulation and I never spent a penny.

I can’t blame those who manipulate because I would want the trophies too. I enjoyed the challenge of active competition, yes I had my rants but it was fine and I did well.

This is my record after 5 of those seasons and before my first breaks.

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These were all the seasons that I was active in. I did take a break (half of level 6 and all of seasons 7, that is why it is repeated.

Season 1: (I only logged in on day 19)

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Season 2: (unlucky season)

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Season 3:

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Season 4: (first ever Champions League Title [emoji3])

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Season 5:

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Season 6: (image is cropped because I took a break that season)

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Season 7: (After Inactivity, I returned and won my last two trophies)

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Season 8: (On break again)

Anyway, these photos are just experiences being a non manipulation team.

All of my titles with my new club.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...506dc137.plist

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02-20-2020
Sillybq

Lets put it plainly. Why people manipulate?

Common reasons

1) Avoid + 1 competitions
(They tell you they lower their quality only to a certain extent as they keep more players but when you see the pros manipulate, 7 negative 1 star players can bring quality very low)

2) Tired of troll results
(More active and strong competition will result in more trolls against bots as the engine keeps things close. While manipulating does not eliminate trolling, it definitely lowers the count)

3) Easier to win trophies
(It is easy to win at low levels anyway, might benefit from it more at higher levels)

4) Recognition
(Some very popular mid to high players are manipulating and they are respected and recognised as being good players. People judge you based on your trophy cabinet especially if you have a non tanking career which is very obvious)

5) Save resources, attend fewer matches
(Weak competition means less training required and your team wont need you around to dominate)

6) Different style of play
(If you need a break from competition or if you need a boost when life is getting you down)

7) Break records
(Much easier breaking streak and player records when manipulating)

Each of us needs varying levels of competition and stress. For myself, the events and associations are sufficient for me to test my skills against high quality teams. Not manipulating just means increased trolling and game engine deciding if we should win.

Do you really think your skills are put to the test when you do not manipulate?
Have your well trained players always beaten newly purchased scouts or normal players?
Do the right formations and strategies always get you the win?
Does maintaining Superb preparation always make a difference?
Have you never conceded the moment your friend supports you?
Have you not lost a match only when you arrive at the scene?

There are many more examples. It aint a perfect game so lets not try too hard to perfect people
02-20-2020
maloukees

I agree, with no to much manupilating..
personally I keep always my basic 11 players... and sell the not needed reserves to lower the quality some..

Because if you sell half of the team, what I read on the forum before, it takes to much time just to buy a new squad....

So in this way I limit the time I waiting in the market to buy new players.

But with my new team (now level 5) I got always 1 or 2 teams competing for the league.. I like exactly more teams so even if you lose 1x it is not directly costing the title..
So every one can win from every one that is more fun and in the long run more rewarding then win almost every match with 7-0 or something
02-20-2020
Ποσιδονας

I agree with @Sillybq . Not manipulating draw would have some fun if
- The draw was fair and not put you vs +1 level opponents in CL and tankers in the Cup
- The game play had some logic and not being random so often
- If there weren't so many cosmetic things (morale, support and ball possession, special abilities, training player bonus, formations, GK performance, game stats)
- If the training was more interesting and skills had some connection with performance
- If the market wasn't so crazy and negotiation would work
02-20-2020
Max

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας

I agree with @Sillybq . Not manipulating draw would have some fun if
- The draw was fair and not put you vs +1 level opponents in CL and tankers in the Cup
- The game play had some logic and not being random so often
- If there weren't so many cosmetic things (morale, support and ball possession, special abilities, training player bonus, formations, GK performance, game stats)
- If the training was more interesting and skills had some connection with performance
- If the market wasn't so crazy and negotiation would work

I agree with some points that I forgot to put in my post, I would only manipulate or tank to get rid of +1 level players.

I wrote from my point of view without manipulating.

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02-20-2020
IImaestroII

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Welcome to '' hard way '' of playing guys:D, I'm playing with this way for years and is very very challenging , league fights till the end against equal or stronger teams, cl and cup against storng and active teams where every match is like a final. Learned a lot by playing in this way.
But i don't advice to play like this if you are new cause it requires lot of experience before

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02-20-2020
Ποσιδονας

but @ IImaestroII having a 138% quality team is not a free to play :p
02-20-2020
IImaestroII

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Originally Posted by Ποσιδονας

but @ IImaestroII having a 138% quality team is not a free to play :p

Is all free , i just use 100T from asso every season and videos. with good planning you can maintain a team like this :)
02-20-2020
United2019

Cheaters will always cheat.
02-21-2020
Flow

Manipulating still working? last time i try, its not working. but maybe now, because i get 150% opponent in my ucl and cup competition,they manipulating or just my luck with draw system in this season is.. romantic
02-21-2020
Ποσιδονας

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Originally Posted by Flow

Manipulating still working? last time i try, its not working. but maybe now, because i get 150% opponent in my ucl and cup competition,they manipulating or just my luck with draw system in this season is.. romantic

If you had some 1* players to downgrade but you got 4 academy players at day 1, they replaced them and increased your quality.
02-21-2020
milpol

I dont see anything that causes fun in manipulating . okay , you win titles but in reality you arent even proud of them , you know that you won against bot and inactive opponents.You bullied a -50% team with a 9-0 and so on . Also , there is a significant amount of boosters and tokens you have to spend the first day in order to buy and train players .... Personally , I have stopped doing it ( at least with the hard way ) and I only give it a try in relaxing periods of time like the summertime in which you dont want to spend much time in Top11
02-21-2020
NUNO FC

Really it depends on what you mean with manipulation, if you have a +120% team you have some hard work ahead of you a lots of tankers to come along, but if you manipulate do 100-120% then you'll have well blanced very enjoyable leagues 80-100% and more 60-80% you really don't get much competition.

Bu in this case i disagree with you milpol its relatively cheap to build a competitive team you just have to make sure to have a mutant or two :p
02-21-2020
milpol

very few know how to build an effective mutant , lets not mess up things here .

no , its not cheap , you have to go into a bidding war the first day and spend like 700 greens . That was what my first asso mates were doing ... They persuaded me to do this , okay i had trebles but i was losing in asso and in my mind . Nah , only easy manipulating like you said
02-21-2020
Max

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Originally Posted by milpol

very few know how to build an effective mutant , lets not mess up things here .

no , its not cheap , you have to go into a bidding war the first day and spend like 700 greens . That was what my first asso mates were doing ... They persuaded me to do this , okay i had trebles but i was losing in asso and in my mind . Nah , only easy manipulating like you said

I agree with you here, I have never tried it but it certainly wouldn’t be easy, yes getting into bidding wars and using x amount of greens and spending your entire day on the game, umm no thanks, I just do it the old fashioned, no manipulation, I spend a couple hours a day on the first day to buy players and then I’m done. It is great when you put all your effort into winning a title and you get it in the end, it is rewarding, I would find it boring winning quadruples season on end against mostly bot teams, that’s just me.
02-21-2020
Sillybq

To each his own. I still have fun and am happy playing the way i like which is manipulating. I am still proud of what i have accomplished and i think the higher level players who i try to copy like Nik and Zaf should be proud of their teams as well. Anyway the kings of manipulation are the greeks since they dominate the top 100. I doubt any of them are not proud of their success.

It is good that all of us have different preferences or else i will be meeting fellow manipulators every season. That would suck. I would be happier if everyone stopped manipulating as well. Makes my game alot easier. Who wants to lose often and get frustrated? Its a game and should be easy and enjoyable.
02-21-2020
Mihai Razvan

I'm agree with you guy's, the biggest problem, it's not manipulation
The biggest problem it's tanker s, top 100 association, why nordeus they don't do anything with those team???
And something else what I saw , if you put money in the game, you have very huge advantage against other manager
And last , there are more manager games where you see real team name , emblem official t-shirt, 3D graphics, but here nothing, everything what they change it's only for them, probably soon I will stop to play this "joke" ,
from this season both association play against biggest opponent +20/30% all
At last event I spent over 200 tokens, only to get the emblem, I change formation ,tactics, everything nothing works, they injury my best player every time, I got red card, but from that team nothing, no injuries no red card , even yellow cards
It's good because they have in the market few team s with same t shirt from 5 year s ago
I hope soon they will put tax for login, and nobody will play this "joke,"(game)
They stop greens from 2 version, but even if you can take 25 greens + 15 on the player you must to wait 24 hours, why???? You think we can stay every day to take those green when you want??? We have a life!! We have family, jobs, child. The game start to be "communism", not "democracy"

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02-22-2020
maloukees

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Originally Posted by milpol

very few know how to build an effective mutant , lets not mess up things here .

no , its not cheap , you have to go into a bidding war the first day and spend like 700 greens . That was what my first asso mates were doing ... They persuaded me to do this , okay i had trebles but i was losing in asso and in my mind . Nah , only easy manipulating like you said

Mate any tips on how to make a effective mutant!

Thanks
02-22-2020
Sillybq

@Miltiadis
I have supported your channel and watched most of your videos. The bidding war you mentioned on day 1 is not necessary as long as there are negotiations and if we don't mind wasting 1 year. Also isnt it better to stick to multiple accounts and upselling instead of relying on your friends as per your 'How to make the best player part 1' video. With multiple accounts and upselling, we can train the skills we want and sell them to our main team cheaply and continue training from there. I have considered a combination of mutant creation and manipulation. And it would also be more fun when you combine different ways of playing the game.

@Mihai
While I am not sure what's the fuss about being in the top 100 of associations when only 10 teams benefit from the token rewards. I think having the option to tank should not be removed. We all need breaks and many of us do not buy tokens so its nice to be able to accumulate resources and take breaks. Also there seem to be big problems at the top of the servers where eventually all players will end up. Tanking allows us to avoid it as long as we are able to accept our trophy average dropping from 4 to 3. Assuming only the league is lost. It should be more fun than getting to the top where we face same opponents season after season
02-22-2020
Max

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Originally Posted by Diglett

The game is somewhat scarce to experience so called experiments anyway. Why going after frustration when you can definitely have fun by winning?

It isn’t really frustration, some people like to manipulate to avoid harder +1 level opponents, others decide not to and avoid manipulation.

Why people think it is not fun by winning by manipulation is due to the fact you could be playing completely abandoned teams and therefore it could become boring winning against those sort of teams.

But again people have reasons on why they want to manipulate and it does take hard work in the first day.
02-22-2020
Mihai Razvan

Silly for you " take a break ", mean you should play Champions league, Cup , Super Cup, and association, but tank in the league, pathetic...

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02-22-2020
Sillybq

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mihai Razvan

Silly for you " take a break ", mean you should play Champions league, Cup , Super Cup, and association, but tank in the league, pathetic...

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That’s how the most successful clubs in the game play. If it wasn’t supposed to be this way, don’t you think Nordeus would have fixed it by now?

You’re the pathetic one, expecting everyone to play the way you think is right. Who cares if i win 3 trophies during a tanking season? Why are you bothered by how others play their game? You should play in a way that suits you and be happy. If you are so competitive and seeing others win trophies affects you, adapt and compete!

Trophies mean nothing unless you are guilty of judging others based on it. They are for our personal fulfilment. Some of the most respected players in the game have very few trophies. It does not define us so stop being abusive and insecure. Let others enjoy the game as they see fit.

Everyone here will eventually face tankers. I will have to face manipulating tankers as well. I ain’t going to come here and take it out on fellow forumers who are honest about their playing style. We just have to rise to the occasion and compete.
02-22-2020
Sillybq

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diglett

Why don’t you try buying 1K tokens plus manipulation?

I never spend money on games as i usually don’t play games for very long. TE might be an exception as it allows me to win without spending any money and is not very time consuming.

I will be guaranteed victories if i buy 1k tokens? I haven’t heard that before. Most spenders i know are frustrated as they still lose.
02-22-2020
Max

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Originally Posted by Sillybq

@Mihai

That’s how the most successful clubs in the game play. If it wasn’t supposed to be this way, don’t you think Nordeus would have fixed it by now?

You’re the pathetic one, expecting everyone to play the way you think is right. Who cares if i win 3 trophies during a tanking season? Why are you bothered by how others play their game? You should play in a way that suits you and be happy. If you are so competitive and seeing others win trophies affects you, adapt and compete!

Trophies mean nothing unless you are guilty of judging others based on it. They are for our personal fulfilment. Some of the most respected players in the game have very few trophies. It does not define us so stop being abusive and insecure. Let others enjoy the game as they see fit.

Everyone here will eventually face tankers. I will have to face manipulating tankers as well. I ain’t going to come here and take it out on fellow forumers who are honest about their playing style. We just have to rise to the occasion and compete.

True, people should be able to play in whatever way they please, I admit I am guilty of judging by trophies but I am over that now, I have lost to a few teams that haven’t won much compared to me (not saying I won much at all though) and they outplayed me in every field despite being weaker. I had one case that I have told you about before where I was going for the title and on an unbeaten streak, he had no trophies and committed 4 fouls in 23 tackles and won the match so FairPlay.

Finally, you shouldn’t judge people on how they play as everyone has a “unique” style of play.

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02-22-2020
Max

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sillybq

I never spend money on games as i usually don’t play games for very long. TE might be an exception as it allows me to win without spending any money and is not very time consuming.

I will be guaranteed victories if i buy 1k tokens? I haven’t heard that before. Most spenders i know are frustrated as they still lose.

That would cost €109.99 for 1031 tokens which is the same as $157.76 in Canadian Dollars, so certainly don’t do that.

The game is built up on certain users spending that much money a season and still losing or getting 140% teams in draws and not being able to compete.

I wouldn’t waste so much money if I were you.

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02-22-2020
Sillybq

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max McClean

True, people should be able to play in whatever way they please, I admit I am guilty of judging by trophies but I am over that now, I have lost to a few teams that haven’t won much compared to me (not saying I won much at all though) and they outplayed me in every field despite being weaker. I had one case that I have told you about before where I was going for the title and on an unbeaten streak, he had no trophies and committed 4 fouls in 23 tackles and won the match so FairPlay.

Finally, you shouldn’t judge people on how they play as everyone has a “unique” style of play.

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Yea mate. All of us live different lives and have different commitment levels and our trophies are often reflective of that. I have not even tanked before and he calls me pathetic. Who knows, i might not even have the time to manage while on holiday. And frankly i could easily have kept my mouth shut or worse, be pretentious about it.

For the losses you mentioned, if they were against abandoned team or bot, i can understand the frustration. I wouldn’t say that is judging or looking down on our competition in those circumstances. Its tough when getting trolled.
02-22-2020
Sillybq

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max McClean

That would cost €109.99 for 1031 tokens which is the same as $157.76 in Canadian Dollars, so certainly don’t do that.

The game is built up on certain users spending that much money a season and still losing or getting 140% teams in draws and not being able to compete.

I wouldn’t waste so much money if I were you.

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Noted mate. Sound advice!
02-22-2020
nikolgiorgos

Playing TE is like somehow living a life.
Some people enjoy their family and children believing that this is the meaning of life.
Some people have a passion, sports or arts and they are dedicate to that.
Some people like to enjoy life. Stepping out, good food, women, drinks, travels.
Some people want to offer to society (involving in politics, volunteering, environment actions) or being more spirituals.

So every one is choosing what completes him (if he is capable ofc) and having fun with it .
02-22-2020
Max

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mihai Razvan

Silly for you " take a break ", mean you should play Champions league, Cup , Super Cup, and association, but tank in the league, pathetic...

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Look, people take breaks and they can do what they like, In Sillybq’s case whenever he wants to take a break which is fine, he still wants to win trophies and his solution is to tank which is fine, he can cut down on half the training and bonuses needed, we don’t have to be active all the time and for everyday of our lives, yes I have been very active on the forum lately, but am hagen’t on the game, I am taking it easy and supporting in game friends, but eventually I will stop posting for a couple of weeks or months when I have my summer break.

His solution can be positive for some reasons as you probably know. I don’t know why I should even be going through these but here we go.

1. Gaining resources.
2. Tanking does wreck your record somewhat but not completely if you do not log in at all for significant periods of time, and this also ensures that the user can go back to participating in all 4 competitions when he is finished his/her break if he/she won the champions league/super league.
3. Less training.

4. Adding more trophies to your cabinet.

5. Players will not lose quality so they do not have to buy any players if they choose not to.

6. If you renew the tokens and money then the user will have lots of money and tokens to use.

7. Many more that I couldn’t be bothered to list right now.

People have their playing styles and you should respect it. Only if they are breaching rules then Nordeus will ban them, they haven’t cracked down on tanking so therefore it is still “legal” in the game.

Sillybq can do what he wants; and he chooses how he plays.

Good luck for the rest of the season.

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02-23-2020
Sillybq

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max McClean

Look, people take breaks and they can do what they like, In Sillybq’s case whenever he wants to take a break which is fine, he still wants to win trophies and his solution is to tank which is fine, he can cut down on half the training and bonuses needed, we don’t have to be active all the time and for everyday of our lives, yes I have been very active on the forum lately, but am hagen’t on the game, I am taking it easy and supporting in game friends, but eventually I will stop posting for a couple of weeks or months when I have my summer break.

His solution can be positive for some reasons as you probably know. I don’t know why I should even be going through these but here we go.

1. Gaining resources.
2. Tanking does wreck your record somewhat but not completely if you do not log in at all for significant periods of time, and this also ensures that the user can go back to participating in all 4 competitions when he is finished his/her break if he/she won the champions league/super league.
3. Less training.

4. Adding more trophies to your cabinet.

5. Players will not lose quality so they do not have to buy any players if they choose not to.

6. If you renew the tokens and money then the user will have lots of money and tokens to use.

7. Many more that I couldn’t be bothered to list right now.

People have their playing styles and you should respect it. Only if they are breaching rules then Nordeus will ban them, they haven’t cracked down on tanking so therefore it is still “legal” in the game.

Sillybq can do what he wants; and he chooses how he plays.

Good luck for the rest of the season.

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Point 2 is interesting. If you recall, I did ask about it before. But because i want the resources, i will be taking the losses.

Yep i am aware that I should not affect the league fight which could get me banned but other competitions are free for all.
02-23-2020
Max

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sillybq

Point 2 is interesting. If you recall, I did ask about it before. But because i want the resources, i will be taking the losses.

Yep i am aware that I should not affect the league fight which could get me banned but other competitions are free for all.

You can get resources if you log in and get daily gifts from in game friends or you can watch ads and from daily log ins is where you can get them during period you are tanking.

You can only get banned from competitions is if you a user reports you Nordeus support, but most likely they will do nothing about it so don’t worry about that.

You can only get banned if someone reports you and Nordeus check your team and sees its buildup as suspicious.

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02-23-2020
Mihai Razvan

In you're opinion this is normal, first picture

Second pictures my last 4 opponent from association, tankers , one of them 150%

My question for you MaxClean what resources you can get in 1 season ? I will answer for you:
750 greens but you can get them, only if you collect them every day
26 game league- 26 greens
13 game Ucl -13 greens
12 game Cup -12 greens
1 game Super Cup 1green
8 game Association- 8 greens
Reach 1 st place association 20 greens
But to get all those green you must to attend all the game and do a substitution
With greens we finish, now tokens

How many tokens you can get in 28 day's?
Maybe 35 from contract
And probably 20-30 from daily log in so it will be around 50-60 tokens
From event, it's very difficult only 5% of people can finish event without spent tokens, in last event I spent 200 tokens, but guess what ?! I didn't take even the emblem
Tokens from association, if you not promote, how you can get tokens???

I understand, every person can choose how to play, but if you meet person from first picture , and ruined all you're season how you feel??? But this can happened after you save resources? You think this is fair???
I'm level 41, I start to play when this team was level 8, I never finish out from big 4 , for me it's a disaster, when I will relegate, then I will stop to play, it's no sense for me.
This it's my opinion, same how you have one
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02-23-2020
Sillybq

@Mihai

I am sorry but i have to respond even though you addressed Max.

While i am sympathetic, i still don’t think you should call me pathetic. Like i said, i was truthful but could have easily been pretentious.

Also i am nowhere near those players in quality and skill. I already am too new and inexperienced to create effective mutants and maintain a 8 star team on 160 tokens and daily videos. My season start quality is usually only 5 star and it is only 110 by season end.

All i know how to do is use tricks by watching youtube videos and reading guides. I win in an unglamorous way with a weak ass team.

You are experienced and probably had to deal with this for awhile. Maybe learn from The Prof how he handles the tankers successfully and how he maintains an almost 8 star team on 160 tokens per season and videos you counted through careful planning. And if formation/tactics still makes a difference, you should pick them up from him as well.
02-23-2020
Max

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mihai Razvan

In you're opinion this is normal, first picture

Second pictures my last 4 opponent from association, tankers , one of them 150%

My question for you MaxClean what resources you can get in 1 season ? I will answer for you:
750 greens but you can get them, only if you collect them every day
26 game league- 26 greens
13 game Ucl -13 greens
12 game Cup -12 greens
1 game Super Cup 1green
8 game Association- 8 greens
Reach 1 st place association 20 greens
But to get all those green you must to attend all the game and do a substitution
With greens we finish, now tokens

How many tokens you can get in 28 day's?
Maybe 35 from contract
And probably 20-30 from daily log in so it will be around 50-60 tokens
From event, it's very difficult only 5% of people can finish event without spent tokens, in last event I spent 200 tokens, but guess what ?! I didn't take even the emblem
Tokens from association, if you not promote, how you can get tokens???

I understand, every person can choose how to play, but if you meet person from first picture , and ruined all you're season how you feel??? But this can happened after you save resources? You think this is fair???
I'm level 41, I start to play when this team was level 8, I never finish out from big 4 , for me it's a disaster, when I will relegate, then I will stop to play, it's no sense for me.
This it's my opinion, same how you have one
Good luck https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...6739a4263f.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...68c0bbc3c3.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...211fd791b0.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8ef32df4fc.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...054a9aa831.jpg

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Thank you for responding, yes I probably didn’t go too far into this but, yes you are right and I understand that, If someone goes on a break, they will rebuild and gain a better squad, maybe like 20% depending on how long they take a break and tank, Sillybq’s quality is about 107% so if he goes on a break depending on how long he takes a break, he could probably raise his squad by about 20% to around 130%, yes quite strong but not as strong as this level 4 tanker. I totally agree, I don’t like this level 4 player he is staying on level 4 to bully out all of those playersI don’t like that and it is his choice and I hope he is banned I see that as pathetic and eventually, those players he has now will get too old and he will have to start again.

However, to get 180% players, you would have to have a lot of rests lying around, maybe 6 or 7 thousand and a lot of free time, I don’t think Sillybq will have enough time to gain that many resources and build an entire squad in that much time people have to go to work and do whatever they must do during their lives and surely he wouldn’t have time for that.

I agree with you, if I met one of those guys I would certainly be annoyed but I would tank our too, but as I said he would be on a break so he might not watch ads, but yes, if he goes on break for 2 months and gains 750 rests from a season, I still don’t see that as enough to build such a good squad, it is nearly perfect, and therefore he won’t reach 180% and probably not even 140%.

I don’t think it is fair for anyone to have such a squad, 180% is almost impossible to contend with but he surely wouldn’t have the time to do that.

I would be fuming if I got such an opponent but as I said, sorry for repeating this again, he won’t reach that level.

Once again I hope you win the Quadruple this season and I hope you don’t get such an opponent in your draws.

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02-23-2020
Sillybq

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max McClean

Thank you for responding, yes I probably didn’t go too far into this but, yes you are right and I understand that, If someone goes on a break, they will rebuild and gain a better squad, maybe like 20% depending on how long they take a break and tank, Sillybq’s quality is about 107% so if he goes on a break depending on how long he takes a break, he could probably raise his squad by about 20% to around 130%, yes quite strong but not as strong as this level 4 tanker. I totally agree, I don’t like this level 4 player he is staying on level 4 to bully out all of those playersI don’t like that and it is his choice and I hope he is banned I see that as pathetic and eventually, those players he has now will get too old and he will have to start again.

However, to get 180% players, you would have to have a lot of rests lying around, maybe 6 or 7 thousand and a lot of free time, I don’t think Sillybq will have enough time to gain that many resources and build an entire squad in that much time people have to go to work and do whatever they must do during their lives and surely he wouldn’t have time for that.

I agree with you, if I met one of those guys I would certainly be annoyed but I would tank our too, but as I said he would be on a break so he might not watch ads, but yes, if he goes on break for 2 months and gains 750 rests from a season, I still don’t see that as enough to build such a good squad, it is nearly perfect, and therefore he won’t reach 180% and probably not even 140%.

I don’t think it is fair for anyone to have such a squad, 180% is almost impossible to contend with but he surely wouldn’t have the time to do that.

I would be fuming if I got such an opponent but as I said, sorry for repeating this again, he won’t reach that level.

Once again I hope you win the Quadruple this season and I hope you don’t get such an opponent in your draws.

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There is no way in hell I will get that high. I will manipulate even in a tanking season. I wouldn't want to lose 20-0 in a single league match. Weaker opponents lower margin losses. Max 115q and that's season end quality
02-23-2020
Max

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sillybq

There is no way in hell I will get that high. I will manipulate even in a tanking season. I wouldn't want to lose 20-0 in a single league match. Weaker opponents lower margin losses. Max 115q

True, I did say that was impossible without extensive money spending and so many rests.

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02-23-2020
Sillybq

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max McClean

True, I did say that was impossible without extensive money spending and so many rests.

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You also mentioned a starting quality of 107 ending at 130. That's enough reason for him to slam me again as his quality in the pic is 124. I have never crossed 120 before in my entire career.

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