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Oh I am really sorry about that, I was just making estimates on how much your team would grow should you repeat level and not get any recruitments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sillybq
Don’t worry about it enjoy the way you play. Sorry again. [emoji17]
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It just seem like you were trying to stir ****. Whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max McClean
I don't know how you view tanking or if it benefits your team at all. But I am going do it the way Nik did it. His guides and method of play is second to none. Manipulate and lose only the league, win everything else if I am able.
@ Mihai
And i thought you were a fair player to judge me like you did. Gunning for top 10 in associations and frustrated are we?
It looks like you too embrace tanking, manipulating and upselling. Not getting fair draws for your 5 star association in platinum and whining about it in the bugs section. Stop wasting their time! All the pictures of your competitors, you are no better. There are many associations struggling to survive in platinum, get bad draws yet do not complain like you. Pathetic is best reserved for you.
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That one it's my second account, where I play with my friends, I play only association, but I not screw other players from win the cup or ucl, we play for fun
It's a big difference:)
My 1 st account it's in x-terminator 2
But I have many account, maybe up to 20 :)
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Look quality of that account 105% , not 180%Quote:
Originally Posted by Sillybq
+ we have 5* association all opponent 6*
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Wow you have 20 accounts how you manage them all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihai Razvan
Most of them I use for collect tokens, for emblem and t-shirt, with other I play event from the game ...
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Oi lads
Sent from stupid app stop revealing my phone's name.
Whatever mate. Going through the past seasons threads, I can see many players won trophies while tanking. Your thoughts that it is pathetic is obviously not in line with many players. So its just your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihai Razvan
You're the kind of player who ruins associations. I doubt it is considered a lesser evil. When I manipulate at level 6, I play mostly bots and abandoned teams and maybe 3 to 5 players in CL or Cup who log in a few times a week. I hurt less players with what I do. You on the other hand affect active players who make it to platinum depriving them of a spot. To me, its debatable who is a bigger dick.
My opinion is nothing of what we are doing is wrong as long as the system allows it and we go by the rules. To prevent what I am doing, Nordeus could easily just promote all teams who win any other tournament despite not finishing in top 8. Same goes for your association manipulation. Only let teams who have been promoted in the previous season join an association. All who tanked will just automatically get booted out and cannot join till next season.
Frankly speaking who likes losing to much weaker abandoned teams or bots. These exploits are like a free pass for active players. And they all require extra work. Upselling is tough, multiple accounts and watching lots of videos and tons of training. Can be done without multiple accounts but higher greys are useless and do not help with manipulating draws. Manipulation is hours at auction and tons of training as well asap. Tanking is the easiest but still requires a log in and a switch of players if participating in CL and Cup.
But it is a fact that players like you who operate 20 accounts and watch videos are assets to the game. You make more money for them. Much more than I do with my 2 accounts, 1 of which doesn't even watch videos. I assume you watch videos and upsell since you have so many 19 year old 9 star players.
Take away any one of the exploits Tanking, Manipulating and Upselling and there will be a sudden drop in daily active accounts. Changes have to be made slowly and progressively. Especially so if players who use exploits are core contributors to the company revenue stream.
If I were to suggest, what is most important in order to not lose players is to fix top of the server issues. Do something to improve it so players don't play each other month after month fight for the same few trophies.
I wasn’t trying to stir ****, I was giving my opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sillybq
To be honest, I do not like people tanking but I am not going to stop anyone from doing it as it is their choice to do that.
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Okok I got it. You probably don't like multiple account Upselling and manipulation either. I get it. You are the player who wants everything to be fair and just.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max McClean
I don’t agree to it, but if people are taking breaks and doing that I see it as acceptable, if you do it full time is when I don’t like it, I won’t stop anyone from doing it, it is really their choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sillybq
I only want a fair game for all users.
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Having as many as 20 accounts by 1 single individual in itself may already be in breach of T&Cs of TE, Facebook and/or Apple ID.
It is well known that Facebook does not allow duplicate profiles of any single individual. It is really difficult to create multiple emails and then Apple IDs without having multiple phone numbers for verification from a single IP address. And unless you have some 15 different devices to ‘Play as Guest’, and that is highly unlikely too.
Moderators should really look into this seriously as TE could be in real trouble if they knowingly allow individuals to abuse and manipulate those multiple logins when Facebook and Apple ID logins are concerned.
Yup I am appreciative that you are considerate. Like I said, it SEEMED like you were trying to stir ****. I didn't say you were. That was my opinion on how I saw your remarks. After all you spoke on my behalf and made assumptions on my skills and abilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max McClean
All I can say is a game is never fair as it is profit driven. Players like you do not spend nor watch videos want a level playing field. I prefer a system where there is a clear advantage for players who invest time and effort. There would also be a camp that want money to make a much bigger difference that's advantageous to them.
That is true I know that it is profit driven so that is why I don’t bother doing anything with it. I don’t mind an advantage for those who pay but not a huge one. I prefer to just use my playing style and just hope I don’t get anyone over 100% in quality because 100% is my limit with my teams, the highest I got to was 101.3 on an old account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sillybq
I used to put time and effort by watching all the ads and doing training and supporting friends.
I don’t do so anymore, all I do now I support friends in matches because am on my way out, I like to watch top eleven YouTube videos sometimes just to see how other people play. As I said, I plan to leave soon, I am not sticking around for much longer,
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I mean it this time, I will continue to support friends and help others on the forum but that is as far as I will go.
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Well those who pay have to pay alot more as Nordeus revenue income from digital advertising is massive. Which probably explains why there isn't much advantage in spending money. Diglett says buy 1k tokens and win all though. I googled it and found nothing. All I got were pissed off people when they realised they paid to face tankers. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Max McClean
Ok, that is interesting, if people who buy 1k tokens and win it all, good for them but I certainly wouldn’t spend that much money on a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sillybq
If I did, I probably would get really easy draws.
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I don't do upseling, that player's are not made with upseling, it cost me 6 thousand greens, I have a life, I don't collect thousands greens per day, I have 30 years old, I have a wife, I have a job, I told you I have more account only for tokens and for buy emblem and t shirt how it was last event, and it's very easy to do that, you can find very easy some abandoned association gold 1 or gold 2, where you put account and after in friday you give condition and morale, and that's everything I do
I don't do upseling even at my 1 st account, upseling it's not because I don't like, but those player's are not good anymore, I have one friend with 340% white skills and quality 170% ( he play on last level of his server , not tanker) but guess what there is another player 170% quality, but he grow his player's with $$$[emoji385][emoji385][emoji385], and guess what , this player who put money in the game, he smashed him 5-0,5-1,4-0,1-0, and possession of the ball its every time up to 60-65% for the guy with money, so Nordeus help those managers
But upseling for me it's not good, and I tell you why. Why should i invest 4 5 thousand greens in one player, when with 5k I can create 5 player? In my opinion average win against quality, mean If i meet 1 mutant and his quality is 80% and my quality its 120%, i will defeat him, i test it with team from top 100 ...
You take it so seriously mate with that word, nobody cares about us, nordeus care only for profit.
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That is true it isn’t always the way as it can backfire but it is probably the best chance you have got.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diglett
That is unfortunate but that happens in this game.
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Wow, that is an impressive collection of emblems you have attained over your accounts. I only had about six, just Nordeus ones as I never spent a penny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihai Razvan
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Is it really about the money? I read that mutants get penalised by getting trolled often especially in CL thats why alot of people are training greys as well. Anyway if you do not upsell, you will still need to downsell and transfer tokens to your main to buy greens. That method cant make much anymore with only 1 player a season limit per team. 6k greens? How many seasons to save that? Tank?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihai Razvan
Most of the people they create new accounts and they send from there to main account, but me I create and I keep all of them, it's no reason to send then, I don't sell it, I don't need money. Only are good for personal collection:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Max McClean
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With that account I tank, but with my main account no, never tank and I have more than 10k greensQuote:
Originally Posted by Sillybq
And I tell you how I save them, before you can collect 50 greens in the game by install 2 different version of the game, plus 15 greens on the player, and it was the period when you can grow you're player playing friendly game, and if you have enough time , you can play around 60-70 friendly game per day, if you do 1 substituted, you got 1 greens, just think 50 greens from advisors and maybe 30-50 from friendly games, that mean 80-100 greens per day
If you have time and now you can play friendly games, you start with you're best 11 in the field than substitute all players, and you don't lose condition, it's very easy :)
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That is true, it is nice to keep your badges and to keep them as a collection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihai Razvan
@Sillybq, yes, I have seen some teams trolled that have built up mutant teams. It happened to SuperDunk before when he had his team with a few mutants go down to average non payers, for 6k rests, they could have been attained over many seasons just saving and saving, or the person could have played a lot of friendlies with a team of bad players because for substitutions, you get 1 rest.
And it could be a mixture of all the above and tanking.
And Silly and me I'm trolled by nordeus, they give me 4-5 abandoned team in the league, with 0 budget , other emblem, other name , quality 30-40% and in 2 3 day's boom 90-120% quality, but you know what it's frustrated? They attempt only the game with you, the other game , not play :)
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Not for me i tried the friendly thing last month too time consuming and too boring. Plus i dont have enough reds. I hardly made enough to recover my first team condition loss as i didnt swap them fast enough. 1 hour only 7-8. Totally not worth the effort if you ask me. But thanks for sharingQuote:
Originally Posted by Mihai Razvan
Not the kind that Superdunk creates. I saw Suazo before. His greys are not low. I am talking about those all whites 340 and greys showing 1 percent. They are damn strong but get trolled more often. Superdunk’s Suazo I would consider a well trained player, not a mutant. Yup i have seen Nik and some others that have more than 15k greens but we should keep saving as once you get close to top server, it will come in handy. I mean you want to put up a good fight against the likes of The Top 100 players list that Nik created.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max McClean
Check out Apolo Rock. Search for associations with name apolo. Its there or go see his youtube vids
Mate, that just sounds like a returning player replacing a bot? So they tank and only play you, that i am told you can report and they might get suspended.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihai Razvan
Sure, maybe I didn’t look into it that much but your right, he is a well trained player, that player is incredible, if I had him on my account along with my old attacker B Shin, I’m sure I would have won the quadruple for about 5 seasons running and with about 90% win percentage, those 2 would have partnered up well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sillybq
You would certainly need the greens to fight the top 100 in associations and to train more mutants.
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What do you mean by accident?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diglett
But it’s ok.
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Nope not thinking about it at the moment. I want to try upselling though. Thats why i want to tank so the account is just 1 level below. Train whites like crazy using the 2nd account and buy over at 20 years old through nego.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diglett
It’s ok.Quote:
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I have different objectives. I wanna save as much as i can while accumulating trophies. Possibly use the second account to help train up an insane player and buy over using negotiations. So i wont have to spend my greens on main. Not top 100 in associations though, i meant the players we will meet at the top of the server. Players in the top 100 managers list. The one Nik created. Top 100 associations is total bs if only top 10 get extra tokens. Why bother?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max McClean
Anyone can do it, its whether we want to. Not rocket scienceQuote:
Originally Posted by Max McClean
Haha, some of them sold their associations for profit before appearantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diglett
So no, they just play top eleven all day.
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LOL that escalated very quickly here, but there are some nice discussions involved.
I know this Level 4 guy Johann Wolter, he is only a second account, he is like the gatekeeper of Level 4 on this server lol.
He only does it for association. We in Germany got a project started some time ago, to get an association into top 100. People thought the quickest way is to build a tanker association of all 180% people... It worked, but I think they are outside again now, because in plat they only face other tanking associations and steal the points from each other every week. It's nonsense, again it shows association and top 100 bring out the worst of people in this game.
Also another thing - playing the same people over and over on same server or end of server can be cool as well. I found many friends this way and some great rivalries going on. It keeps me interested in the game, playing vs my friends if you want. Only annoying when you have some big spenders maybe on your server...
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Originally Posted by Der_Ryan_M
Why level 4? He tanks anyway so no tokens. And associations didnt use to restrict lower levels previously right? I mean its easier at level 2, player have even less cash and tokens. Did the system force him to get promoted?
Wow, i havent heard anyone say anything good about being at the top of the server before. Maybe the ex asso mate i spoke to had one of those big spenders there. He seemed bored to death with the game. I didnt wanna ask him why he still bothers.
I know, I am planning to quit soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diglett
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Ok, I am will stay but I support friends instead, I will play lightly.Quote:
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