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[HeavensAAA]

I don’t think Nordeus needs to change anything nor do i think players need to change the way they play. Players want to have fun and be entertained by a game. I could easily listen and be influenced by more experienced players that i should not manipulate and tank yet go for trophies. I end up playing normally, get frustrated and quit. Why go through that if you know you ain’t built that way? These so called loopholes are ways to play the game. They offer an outlet for those who have limited spending power but have a desire to win. While i do think everyone has a right to an opinion, i don’t think it’s right to judge others and put them down. I personally didnt like reading that tankers who go for trophies are the most despised. Thats what i just did and the comment came from HeavenAAA who i regularly private message. I take it personally and i find it rather toxic. I wont change the way i play because of what you said but it definitely annoys me. Its no wonder no one wants to come to the forum these days.

I guess you have misunderstood what I meant there. I surely don’t mean you there who aren’t one of those.

What I was referring to are those abusing tankers who repeatedly stay at the same level regularly for the same 3 trophies. Eg. Account started in May 2020 and yet still at level 4, with more losses than wins in under 400 matches with a 170% team, and in the same Cup draw with my level-5 account started in Nov 2020. These are the types most managers find it the most disruptive when it is obvious their team at their level can’t possibly only get 9th in league seasons after seasons.

[Sillybq]

I guess you have misunderstood what I meant there. I surely don’t mean you there who aren’t one of those.

What I was referring to are those abusing tankers who repeatedly stay at the same level regularly for the same 3 trophies. Eg. Account started in May 2020 and yet still at level 4, with more losses than wins in under 400 matches with a 170% team, and in the same Cup draw with my level-5 account started in Nov 2020. These are the types most managers find it the most disruptive when it is obvious their team at their level can’t possibly only get 9th in league seasons after seasons.

Yeah, easily misunderstood as it was exactly what I did. Mate, you have manipulated before. You know the kind of players we face. They ain't active and do they even deserve to win a trophy when they put in so little effort. Our strongest competitors are usually manipulators. I don't like handing trophies to other manipulators as well. If they want it, they have to beat me for it. I hope you mean it when you say you ain't referring to me as it really doesn't make sense in both scenarios for my past 2 seasons to hand my opponents the trophies on a silver platter.

[EastsiderSG]

I guess you have misunderstood what I meant there. I surely don’t mean you there who aren’t one of those.

What I was referring to are those abusing tankers who repeatedly stay at the same level regularly for the same 3 trophies. Eg. Account started in May 2020 and yet still at level 4, with more losses than wins in under 400 matches with a 170% team, and in the same Cup draw with my level-5 account started in Nov 2020. These are the types most managers find it the most disruptive when it is obvious their team at their level can’t possibly only get 9th in league seasons after seasons.

It really does not matter who you despise. The game rewards inactive players to keep them playing. Have a look at our moderators if you can source them out. Many have had long periods of inactivity judging by their losses or maybe they tanked. Shouldnt they have selected consistently active players for such positions, or at least players who are active in the forum? Moreover, if all your moderators play the same way, wouldnt your feedback be one dimensional, covering only a certain type of users. low level players and high level players do not want the same things leading to a conflict of interest.

The same logic applies for tankers who win trophies. Some are active, some aint but most try for the cup and CL. Many get knocked out along the way because they aint active and solely rely on their quality to win while forgetting to switch teams. Problem can easily fixed but too much opportunity cost. Regular players aint active enough (dont watch enough videos or invest enough money) and do not have enough accounts to compensate for accounts who exploit loopholes (many of which are also spenders).

You mentioned you call out the developers out often but i do not see anything when i look through your historical posts, it is mostly centered on blaming the players. Maybe the only significant one was when you had account issues. Quite coincidental that it took place shortly after your perfect win record was blemished in your previous account. Cant say much as i would do the same.

[dave1311]

It really does not matter who you despise. The game rewards inactive players to keep them playing. Have a look at our moderators if you can source them out. Many have had long periods of inactivity judging by their losses or maybe they tanked. Shouldnt they have selected consistently active players for such positions, or at least players who are active in the forum? Moreover, if all your moderators play the same way, wouldnt your feedback be one dimensional, covering only a certain type of users. low level players and high level players do not want the same things leading to a conflict of interest

That peaked my interest. I’m a Moderator (easily sourced as I’m active on here). I’ve never tanked nor had any period of inactivity in all my 8 years playing this game. Levelled up every season except one where I finished 9th.
Or did you mean something else by Moderator?

[EastsiderSG]

That peaked my interest. I’m a Moderator (easily sourced as I’m active on here). I’ve never tanked nor had any period of inactivity in all my 8 years playing this game. Levelled up every season except one where I finished 9th.
Or did you mean something else by Moderator?

How active you are is subjective, no? Isn't a moderator supposed to be a impartial,active, passionate player? I don't see that and I never saw much of your posts either. It was always Nik and Khris. You weren't exactly active on Facebook groups either. This wasn't meant to single anyone out but since you asked.

You guys get 100 tokens per month for assisting and helping out. Is it more now due to inflation? Sadly many of your records dont reflect that. Looking more like casual players. Isnt it a smart move to appoint less active players so that they keep playing? Addicted players need no incentive.

You guys ain't impartial either. Not sure if it's a directive from Nordeus but it is sounding more and more like strategy to turn players against each other so the pressure is off the developer so no changes need to be made.

I mentioned this a few times. It's highly visible. This is the English section of the forum.if you guys want to influence changes to player attitudes, shouldn't you guys get the target market right? The predominantly English speaking nations don't have many players exploiting loopholes and you know it. Why aren't you guys focusing on the Greeks, Turks or Russians?

[dave1311]

How active you are is subjective, no? Isn't a moderator supposed to be a impartial,active, passionate player? I don't see that and I never saw much of your posts either. It was always Nik and Khris. You weren't exactly active on Facebook groups either. This wasn't meant to single anyone out but since you asked.

You guys get 100 tokens per month for assisting and helping out. Is it more now due to inflation? Sadly many of your records dont reflect that. Looking more like casual players. Isnt it a smart move to appoint less active players so that they keep playing? Addicted players need no incentive.

You guys ain't impartial either. Not sure if it's a directive from Nordeus but it is sounding more and more like strategy to turn players against each other so the pressure is off the developer so no changes need to be made.

I mentioned this a few times. It's highly visible. This is the English section of the forum.if you guys want to influence changes to player attitudes, shouldn't you guys get the target market right? The predominantly English speaking nations don't have many players exploiting loopholes and you know it. Why aren't you guys focusing on the Greeks, Turks or Russians?

That's an interesting opinion however most of what you say is factually incorrect. So, to address the points that you make; I'm not sure where you got your information from. Nik isn't even a Mod anymore and hasn't been for a long time.
I would argue that I and my fellow Moderators are impartial but of course I have my views on how the game is like everyone else. I certainly wouldn't criticise anyone just because they play differently to me. How people want to play is up to them. If people want to tank, upsell or manipulate to get assured trophies and it makes them feel good, then I'm pleased for them that they get pleasure from playing that way. Ultimately Nordeus calls the shots on what happens in the game, not the Mods, who are there to ensure that the forum is properly run and provoke regular and active discussion in the forum.
Personally I'm not focused on Facebook so you're right, I tend to be not so active on there. I like to see others views and maybe comment if I see something that I know is factually incorrect. As for my record, well, I play for fun and don't manipulate or tank so of course my trophy haul isn't like some. Do I care? Nope. I just enjoy playing, win or lose. You say our records don't reflect how many tokens you perceive us to have? Well everyone invests their tokens in their own way. Having tons of tokens doesn't necessarily make a quadruple winning every season manager. I've never won a quadruple or even a treble. Do I care? Nope.
Turning players against each other? I cannot say I'm aware of any such strategy. Again, an interesting view that you have there. You appear to assume that the Moderators are Nordeus employees. We are not. We are all regular players just like you.
I won't get into focusing attentions on Greeks, Turks and Russians as I feel it unfair to single out any one section of the community for the way they play the game. That isn't something for Moderators to worry about.
In summary, I think that I'm active, impartial and passionate about the game as are my Mod colleagues. But you are entitled to your views and I respect that.

[EastsiderSG]

That's an interesting opinion however most of what you say is factually incorrect. So, to address the points that you make; I'm not sure where you got your information from. Nik isn't even a Mod anymore and hasn't been for a long time.
I would argue that I and my fellow Moderators are impartial but of course I have my views on how the game is like everyone else. I certainly wouldn't criticise anyone just because they play differently to me. How people want to play is up to them. If people want to tank, upsell or manipulate to get assured trophies and it makes them feel good, then I'm pleased for them that they get pleasure from playing that way. Ultimately Nordeus calls the shots on what happens in the game, not the Mods, who are there to ensure that the forum is properly run and provoke regular and active discussion in the forum.
Personally I'm not focused on Facebook so you're right, I tend to be not so active on there. I like to see others views and maybe comment if I see something that I know is factually incorrect. As for my record, well, I play for fun and don't manipulate or tank so of course my trophy haul isn't like some. Do I care? Nope. I just enjoy playing, win or lose. You say our records don't reflect how many tokens you perceive us to have? Well everyone invests their tokens in their own way. Having tons of tokens doesn't necessarily make a quadruple winning every season manager. I've never won a quadruple or even a treble. Do I care? Nope.
Turning players against each other? I cannot say I'm aware of any such strategy. Again, an interesting view that you have there. You appear to assume that the Moderators are Nordeus employees. We are not. We are all regular players just like you.
I won't get into focusing attentions on Greeks, Turks and Russians as I feel it unfair to single out any one section of the community for the way they play the game. That isn't something for Moderators to worry about.
In summary, I think that I'm active, impartial and passionate about the game as are my Mod colleagues. But you are entitled to your views and I respect that.

Fair enough. I still think being a moderator is a position of influence and power and your views can impact the game. I have read posts from you expressing your views that undermines the accomplishments of those who exploit loopholes. When you single out a single section of players, it is bound to cause some unhappiness and this is a result of it. Since it is ok to judge certain players playstyle, I reckon it would be ok for players to judge your playstyles as well. Afterall, all these are just opinions of each individual.

I simply think each of us has expectations of one another but we should control what we say publicly. You have expectations that players should not exploit loopholes while I have expectations of moderators as well. Similar to yourself, I couldn't care less how others play their game and focus on enjoying the game myself. It's just too bad that a big part of my games gets ruined reading discrimatory remarks to how people should play. While it isnt directed at me, when I read such stuff, I always think what's gives the player the right to judge others and immediately start picking on their flaws.

But like you said, I too respect your opinion and it wasn't meant to be personal. I still think most of you guys are not representing a large number of players as most of you are high level and do not exploit loopholes. This leads to the same opinion being voiced over and over which alienates large sections of the community. Perhaps Nordeus employees play at lower levels so need more input from high level players.

[PricopGeorgeCătălin]

How active you are is subjective, no? Isn't a moderator supposed to be a impartial,active, passionate player? I don't see that and I never saw much of your posts either. It was always Nik and Khris. You weren't exactly active on Facebook groups either. This wasn't meant to single anyone out but since you asked.

Moderators are impartial but do not forget that just like you we are players as well and you should respect our opinion. Most of the times we do not agree with Nordeus / Top Eleven as well but this is a different story as we do not really know what's happening in the background.

You guys get 100 tokens per month for assisting and helping out. Is it more now due to inflation? Sadly many of your records dont reflect that. Looking more like casual players. Isnt it a smart move to appoint less active players so that they keep playing? Addicted players need no incentive.

Is much more than 100 tokens a month . If you interested in becoming a moderator you can always request to apply.

You guys ain't impartial either. Not sure if it's a directive from Nordeus but it is sounding more and more like strategy to turn players against each other so the pressure is off the developer so no changes need to be made.

There is no directive. We are free to speak what we think as long as we do it in a civilized way.

I mentioned this a few times. It's highly visible. This is the English section of the forum.if you guys want to influence changes to player attitudes, shouldn't you guys get the target market right? The predominantly English speaking nations don't have many players exploiting loopholes and you know it. Why aren't you guys focusing on the Greeks, Turks or Russians?

You are trying to enter in an endless discussion without analizing or knowing to much. You are asking us to change behaviors on international level which is impossible. People from Turkey, Russia, Asian countries or even my country Romania, will always look for loopholes because is easier for us. Time / money is more effective but this is a really long talk and forum isn't for politics.

However good feedback overall and hopefully you will look to understand our (or at least, my) point of view as well.

As I said, I do not want to make from this topic an endless discussion but we can take this in private and elaborate.

Regards,
George