Does WinnIng Trophies Show A Managers Skill Anymore?

[EastsiderSG]

This game never required skill and knowledge. You manipulate you win. You don’t, it’s RNG.
Lol, a greek saying manipulators have no knowledge. I have deep respect for the greeks because some of them manipulate very well. @Milpol, you know what you are saying aint true. Or you would be discrediting many famous greek players.

Why would i play without manipulation to put up with a bad draw system, random results and frustration? Don’t assume everyone is like you, some of us want to win with minimal effort and stress. You like dealing with it, your choice. Life is way more important than a game. I’d rather be in a good mood for my wife and kids.

Nowonder they don’t fix the game. Look at you guys blaming players instead of asking the developers to fix it. They can get away with everything.

[milpol]

This game never required skill and knowledge. You manipulate you win. You don’t, it’s RNG.
Lol, a greek saying manipulators have no knowledge. I have deep respect for the greeks because some of them manipulate very well. @Milpol, you know what you are saying aint true. Or you would be discrediting many famous greek players.

Why would i play without manipulation to put up with a bad draw system, random results and frustration? Don’t assume everyone is like you, some of us want to win with minimal effort and stress. You like dealing with it, your choice. Life is way more important than a game. I’d rather be in a good mood for my wife and kids.

Nowonder they don’t fix the game. Look at you guys blaming players instead of asking the developers to fix it. They can get away with everything.

Sorry buddy but you're wrong here. In my post I never said that manipulators have zero knowledge! Instead I mentioned that winning trophies has become a piece of cake, which is true - as long as manipulation is there.
And believe it or not, I know those Greek manipulators better than you. I've played them with my team many times and I've been following them closely. They're all in my Greek fb group and I've got a deep respect for them. That said, I know who they are, what they are doing and why.


Read again my post please and don't assume things on your own.

[EastsiderSG]

Sorry buddy but you're wrong here. In my post I never said that manipulators have zero knowledge! Instead I mentioned that winning trophies has become a piece of cake, which is true - as long as manipulation is there.
And believe it or not, I know those Greek manipulators better than you. I've played them with my team many times and I've been following them closely. They're all in my Greek fb group and I've got a deep respect for them. Read again my post please and don't assume things on your own.

Well you did mention requiring minimum knowledge and skills. Beg to differ mate. I stand by what I said.

[Flow]

This game never required skill and knowledge. You manipulate you win. You don’t, it’s RNG.
Lol, a greek saying manipulators have no knowledge. I have deep respect for the greeks because some of them manipulate very well. @Milpol, you know what you are saying aint true. Or you would be discrediting many famous greek players.

Why would i play without manipulation to put up with a bad draw system, random results and frustration? Don’t assume everyone is like you, some of us want to win with minimal effort and stress. You like dealing with it, your choice. Life is way more important than a game. I’d rather be in a good mood for my wife and kids.

Nowonder they don’t fix the game. Look at you guys blaming players instead of asking the developers to fix it. They can get away with everything.

OFC some managers will hate and blame those hardcore exploiters, nordeus add many nice features and they change it, because of who? they already try to fix it, from negotiation,ads to FB connected thing.

in other games, if some players exploit some bug or something, their acc will be banned temporary/permanent, for example trading, yes its game features,player free to use trading system as part of game, but if player use that trading features to buy/sell with real money or transfer into their main acc,or use that feature to cloning items etc. they will be banned (ofc if they caught doing that).

im not defending nordeus, for what i defending them? they always troll me and curse my team lol
but i give my view from 2 side, not one.

if nordeus really into fixing the game, fixing the game engine will solve many problem, make overall % matter (or slight difference), so balanced team will go balance and tactic/formation will work again, because right now is = train your winger/attacker and your team will be good, rest of squad? doesnt matter

or player cant have minus skill, 1 is the lowest skill cant go minus, and cap highest skill. what you gonna do if they do that? some exploiter maybe quit

back to topic, what milpol said is true, ever feel creating balance middle % team but ended up fighting against super mutant winger? playing 442 will not save you.

[EastsiderSG]

OFC some managers will hate and blame those hardcore exploiters, nordeus add many nice features and they change it, because of who? they already try to fix it, from negotiation,ads to FB connected thing.

in other games, if some players exploit some bug or something, their acc will be banned temporary/permanent, for example trading, yes its game features,player free to use trading system as part of game, but if player use that trading features to buy/sell with real money or transfer into their main acc,or use that feature to cloning items etc. they will be banned (ofc if they caught doing that).

im not defending nordeus, for what i defending them? they always troll me and curse my team lol
but i give my view from 2 side, not one.

if nordeus really into fixing the game, fixing the game engine will solve many problem, make overall % matter (or slight difference), so balanced team will go balance and tactic/formation will work again, because right now is = train your winger/attacker and your team will be good, rest of squad? doesnt matter

or player cant have minus skill, 1 is the lowest skill cant go minus, and cap highest skill. what you gonna do if they do that? some exploiter maybe quit

back to topic, what milpol said is true, ever feel creating balance middle % team but ended up fighting against super mutant winger? playing 442 will not save you.

Milpols post

As long as manipulation is there, winning trophies will be a piece of cake, requiring minimum to none knowledge.

Milpols post

Sorry buddy but you're wrong here. In my post I never said that manipulators have zero knowledge! Instead I mentioned that winning trophies has become a piece of cake, which is true - as long as manipulation is there.
And believe it or not, I know those Greek manipulators better than you. I've played them with my team many times and I've been following them closely. They're all in my Greek fb group and I've got a deep respect for them. That said, I know who they are, what they are doing and why.

Read again my post please and don't assume things on your own.

My post

Which part of milpols post were you referring to? I only read most items as being out of topic to what I mentioned and a twist of words.
Everyone knows what he means but no issue flow. You have your opinion. I respect that. YouTube content creators should stick together

[maloukees]

As long as Nordeus does NOT change the draw system, the manipulators always win.....

Nordeus should make after the season of all the players a list of their % then make a list of them #1 until all player has a ranking (not looking to levels, forget does)

Then make League based on the ranking....

And then start like in real football,... promotion and regulations in the league that decide what league you goin to play next season and so on and on....

Then No more removing standard 20%, but related to the age and talent (programmed) into the player.... old players get less strong...

I mean when you are 24 years old you are more strong then a 34 year old... etc..

Do not say Nordeus can not make a system like that, Nordeus use this kind of system more or less already in the Football Association macthes

[SausyFC]

Closing this thread. Let's please keep it civil. Thanks for everyone's understanding.

[dave1311]

Gents. The forum is all about frank exchanges of views and opinions as well as for help and advice. As long as the topics and posts are civil and respectful then toxicity need not come into it. Everyone plays the game in their own way and derives pleasure from playing based on that. Both of you raise interesting points and I'm sure that everyone can identify with some points made. From my point of view, this is what the forum is all about so don't be put off if things are said that you don't agree with or if someone challenged you directly. I know that things can be lost in translation but at the end of the day nobody will stop you playing the game the way you want to play it. That's your choice(until Nordeus changes something).

[EastsiderSG]

Really? If it has been thus easy, I may play actively. What is the probability of making a quadruple?

It's extremely easy when you manipulate and log in daily. This is exactly what I mean. Some players need the wins to keep playing. So sick of reading these people talk like everyone wants a challenge. As if they are representative of millions of users

Probability depends on alot of factors. How well trained your players are? How many troll matches? How active you are? Bonuses and such. Good tactics and skills when facing other strong manipulators and such. But the rate of quadruples is still high.

[Gomes182002]

Really? If it has been thus easy, I may play actively. What is the probability of making a quadruple?

It's not only about playing actively lol u need to manipulate a lot to to be able to win a quadruple.For example I've been now playing actively for the last 11 seasons without manipulation and I've won the easy cup in the first season I returned next season I won the super league and super cup which was slightly tougher but still easy(I was the best in the competition) and since then 4 league titles.the closes I've come to a champions league is semi finals.without manipulation winning the CL is as hard as it is in real life.the difference between a league winning team and CL one is minimum 10% and if u don't manipulate or tank u won't have enough resources to make a CL winning team or even a cup team for that matter.

So bottom line is manipulation is key to success in this game at least in my opinion.if u don't do it you'll end up with a trophy haul like mine instead of the Greeks