Does WinnIng Trophies Show A Managers Skill Anymore?

[EastsiderSG]

It's not only about playing actively lol u need to manipulate a lot to to be able to win a quadruple.For example I've been now playing actively for the last 11 seasons without manipulation and I've won the easy cup in the first season I returned next season I won the super league and super cup which was slightly tougher but still easy(I was the best in the competition) and since then 4 league titles.the closes I've come to a champions league is semi finals.without manipulation winning the CL is as hard as it is in real life.the difference between a league winning team and CL one is minimum 10% and if u don't manipulate or tank u won't have enough resources to make a CL winning team or even a cup team for that matter.

So bottom line is manipulation is key to success in this game at least in my opinion.if u don't do it you'll end up with a trophy haul like mine instead of the Greeks

Precisely. I didn't want to mention about that leagues were much easier than CL in case I offend you but now that you mentioned it, spot on. My friends who all are non manipulators win leagues but face very unfair draws for CL and sometimes cup. It is a big issue that cause many players to give in and just manipulate. Until the underlying cause is fixed, many more will make the switch.

[khris]

Precisely. I didn't want to mention about that leagues were much easier than CL in case I offend you but now that you mentioned it, spot on. My friends who all are non manipulators win leagues but face very unfair draws for CL and sometimes cup. It is a big issue that cause many players to give in and just manipulate. Until the underlying cause is fixed, many more will make the switch.

Don't get wrong, here manipulates even the Pope Francis. And this isn't something bad, because once you have the knowledge about the system procedure, the game doesn't turns into something fixed, where you always are paired with token buyers, tankers etc, you can, have a easy league, intentionally.

The 180% margin in this game, is really wide, isn't a margin that you can "cover" in 1 single season, so to compete vs 160's when we reach the 3rd season week. The beatability margin is set arround a 60% with competitive matches arround a -30% margin between 2 teams, this sets a parameter that causes the common issues we have in this game, because when we say "tankers" what we are meaning in reality is a issue related to a "non reachable AvQ" caused by the advantadge of gathering resources from 2,3,4 seasons and keeping the level vs teams that just promoted.

I'm up, and I suggested it already, for a promotion of teams that have 3 9* players. With the amount of resources we have each season this is kinda fair, 700 greens + the friendlies boosters still existing so we have people getting 40,60, 90 daily greens via friendlies yet, which is a expensive amount of free resources that need some kind of compensation in the own game system.

[Gomes182002]

Don't get wrong, here manipulates even the Pope Francis. And this isn't something bad, because once you have the knowledge about the system procedure, the game doesn't turns into something fixed, where you always are paired with token buyers, tankers etc, you can, have a easy league, intentionally..

I guess it all comes down to why ur playing the game.the only reason why a person would intentionally want an easy league is if they know they can't win trophies when matched against similar level managers or active managers.I mean it's a game that's supposed to simulate real life football.Manipulators tankers etc all seem to be playing the game for the sole purpose of boosting their childish ego rather than actually facing challenges as in real football.i understand that once u get the procedure and all that u can win more through manipulating the game but this is a FOOTBALL game and not GTA V.

Imagine spending two months hoarding resources for one CL title where the next best team is 30% away from u.pitiful

[EastsiderSG]

I guess it all comes down to why ur playing the game.the only reason why a person would intentionally want an easy league is if they know they can't win trophies when matched against similar level managers or active managers.I mean it's a game that's supposed to simulate real life football.Manipulators tankers etc all seem to be playing the game for the sole purpose of boosting their childish ego rather than actually facing challenges as in real football.i understand that once u get the procedure and all that u can win more through manipulating the game but this is a FOOTBALL game and not GTA V.

Imagine spending two months hoarding resources for one CL title where the next best team is 30% away from u.pitiful

Your opinion is total bs for this post. Just because you don't mind RNG and bad draws. Don't assume everyone is ok with it. Why would I want to play a game that simulates real life football? I want to not attend matches, heal my players whenever and restore their condition whenever. I don't wanna deal with transfer deadlines and getting sacked. Don't assume everyone wants what you want. Winning brings me joy and strokes my ego as you mentioned and so what. Is it wrong to want to derive joy and happiness from a game? If you want to compare with others and feel upset, that's your perogative. No one is competing with u.

Sure you can try to put others down. Look at your own record, it's bad even by non manipulators standard. Play your own game and stop telling others how to play theirs

[EastsiderSG]

Don't get wrong, here manipulates even the Pope Francis. And this isn't something bad, because once you have the knowledge about the system procedure, the game doesn't turns into something fixed, where you always are paired with token buyers, tankers etc, you can, have a easy league, intentionally.

The 180% margin in this game, is really wide, isn't a margin that you can "cover" in 1 single season, so to compete vs 160's when we reach the 3rd season week. The beatability margin is set arround a 60% with competitive matches arround a -30% margin between 2 teams, this sets a parameter that causes the common issues we have in this game, because when we say "tankers" what we are meaning in reality is a issue related to a "non reachable AvQ" caused by the advantadge of gathering resources from 2,3,4 seasons and keeping the level vs teams that just promoted.

I'm up, and I suggested it already, for a promotion of teams that have 3 9* players. With the amount of resources we have each season this is kinda fair, 700 greens + the friendlies boosters still existing so we have people getting 40,60, 90 daily greens via friendlies yet, which is a expensive amount of free resources that need some kind of compensation in the own game system.

I drew and lost matches wider than 60 tbh. But I wasn't attending. Frankly if they said tanking required no skills and knowledge. I would agree as you can keep the team and let it self improve. Am talking about lazy tankers. Not too pleased about what was mentioned about manipulators as skill and knowledge is involved and we meet other manipulators. Most of the time it's easy but you do get the occasional good manipulator who trains well. Consistently winning while manipulating is not a given. Effort is put into it and what I read here is very discrimatory. Not from you khris