[Official] New Association Tournaments - Live Now - What's new

[EastsiderSG]

I read alot of comments of how the new associations targets tankers. i dont quite get how it will discourage tanking. Tankers can still tank and rejoin a season later with 3x multiplier. They never used to get any tokens the season they tanked anyway. They can just tank more and get a full 11 star team to make up for the additional season in limbo.

In fact now the opportunity cost is low for those needing a break or want to tank a few seasons. If you cant get into a diamond or ultimate association, it would only be a 40 plus tokens loss in platinum on average per season (assuming one wins enough to stay in plat). Tanking can gain us alot more from daily logins and stuff while saving alot of resources.

I think we cannot deny the fact that we get less tokens. Players in ultimate are going to be tankers or spenders. Its is just part of their move towards more profits. Nothing wrong with that but it sucks for us. I wont spend more than i can gain from associations so probably cant go very far.

If nik is tanking, that should be the way to go. It just shows how bad the issues are at the top of the server so best to avoid as long as possible. To me, he was and still is the most credible source of information. He encouraged saving rather than spending just to compete. The best lesson in the game is budgeting but tanking works too.

They definitely succeeded in reducing tanking. And tankers previously had an unfair advantage in associations. All changes come at a price. We all suffer the same fate with the reduced tokens so no issue. Comes down to who manages better with the reduced tokens. I do agree that tankers will dominate in ultimate but with more work and difficulty. All it takes is an additional season to get the *3 and they can rejoin associations but at least they won't hinder the rest of us while in the process of tanking

[Sillybq]

They definitely succeeded in reducing tanking. And tankers previously had an unfair advantage in associations. All changes come at a price. We all suffer the same fate with the reduced tokens so no issue. Comes down to who manages better with the reduced tokens. I do agree that tankers will dominate in ultimate but with more work and difficulty. All it takes is an additional season to get the *3 and they can rejoin associations but at least they won't hinder the rest of us while in the process of tanking

Mate Lol, you sound like we are definitely gonna manage with reduced tokens. I think ultimate is out of reach but diamond perhaps.

[khris]

Depending on the draw system the war could be between those earning x3/2 and then a x1 in alternate seasons vs those having always a x3 cause of constant promotions.
Both cases, could too, switch multies to the FAs to keep the advantadge set to the Max., advantadge from tanking/promoting, or to have the x3 with one or another account...
(still maybe the system will prevent hard manipulations if the draws are between same Division FAs, obviously will be an important factor)
Here the dilemma comes when we have to define what is acceptable to have a fair competition, and where is the limit. The advantadges given by some movements, that in the end, as happened with the manipulations and the 1*s. force everyone to do the same, may need some extra action like adding Loyalty Bonuses once a team stay 4 seasons inside a FA, having a x1'5 bonus to try to prevent abusive behaviors that should be tackled IMO, because isn't the same play with 1 account than play with 15 accounts per head.

There's a problem too in a middle term with the own levels collapse, as the servers are designed to stop promoting teams at L100, and we have 220+ top servers with teams repeating levels that should be able to join the FAs, so if top 8 repeats level should be considered as promotion for the whole league.

And btw we will see how it develps, but initially the AvQ gap should be reduced in mostly of competitions by forcing promotions 1 time every 2 seasons overall, still its a complex matter when we talk about margins, what is fair play, what should be allowed, etc...

As said, next steps, to keep a general fair play line should include a new negos only for 18-19 aged, a +2LV cup/CL for 120% promoters and proportional events for tankers that reach the 180%, as tanking shouldn't be a guarantee of win. If I face a 130 with a 115% team, a 180 should face a 195%...

[Ludo_Mansio]

This is where I might look stupid... but has the ability to request training been removed? I can see how I can train with FA members, but no option to request what type of training bonus I want. Easily solved with a message in the FA chat, but just making sure I'm not missing something

[Guido van den Berg]

This is where I might look stupid... but has the ability to request training been removed? I can see how I can train with FA members, but no option to request what type of training bonus I want. Easily solved with a message in the FA chat, but just making sure I'm not missing something

You do not look stupid at all. I cannot find a way to request a training bonus either.

[po_zdrach]

You do not look stupid at all. I cannot find a way to request a training bonus either.

Me too....

[HeavensAAA]

The new system requires genuine instruction from teammates via chat to communicate on what we need and teammate adds it on.

Should not be too hard for a 1-liner request with a 1-liner reply from each of the 3 pairings

[Siddharth Singh]

All the associations who previously were in Platinum have been placed in Platinum. Out of the 64 teams in Platinum only 8 will be promoted which means 7/8 of the association who sure shot got 100T earlier can only get a max of 64T now that too if they win on all weekends.

It's quite clear why this new system has been implemented by Nordues.

[Guido van den Berg]

Will the FA Points Multiplier be applicable for the result of individual matches between two associations, or only to determine the contribution to the season totals? An example. We play a semi-final match against association X. We win 19-16 (old calculation). Our association members all have 2x and all members of association X have 3x. Will the score be 38-48, so will association X go to the finals? Or do we go to the finals, because the multiplier is only applicable to the season score?

[HeavensAAA]

Will the FA Points Multiplier be applicable for the result of individual matches between two associations, or only to determine the contribution to the season totals? An example. We play a semi-final match against association X. We win 19-16 (old calculation). Our association members all have 2x and all members of association X have 3x. Will the score be 38-48, so will association X go to the finals? Or do we go to the finals, because the multiplier is only applicable to the season score?

That multiplier seems to only affect our individual contribution to the grand point tally by multiplying the corresponding ranking in that week. Matchup results also seems to follow the old rules. That’s my understanding - though the info provided is not totally clear on this yet.

4 things to the top: 1) member’s own ability to secure top3 in league (for a x3 multiplier for team FA points); 2) a collective effort to win the matchups; 3) luck in drawing less competent associations in the 64-team draw (ideally with more asso with more x1 multiplier members ); 4) luck in getting an easier draw of matchups

Wish everyone luck (except those other 63 associations in our draw )!