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[HeavensAAA]

This is stupid argument. If we are promoted, I want to get more. If we stay in Platinum, I hate the idea, that we get 2 times less. Why? Greedy basterds, I hate then fore that. And will hate forever

Say that your asso is a top performing one and is always good enough to promote within the top 8. And also assume you all can always finish a 4-round season with 2x 1st finishes, 1x 2nd finish and 1x 3rd finish, so when your team gets promoted to ultimate, your team will receive a total of 172T (2x 47, 1x 43 & 1x 35) instead of the regular 100T you could have earned with staying in platinum in the old system.

Even if your team only manages to stay in diamond, everyone in the asso would get 110T (2x 30, 1x 27 & 1x 23) with the same set of results, which is still more than the previous 100T.

How would you get less then? The only reason would be your asso is not good enough, as a whole, to get promoted to any of the top 2 tiers and only manage to stay in the current 3rd tier of the new system. It is common knowledge for platinum associations to have 2x 1st places finish to survive (or as an alternative, 1x 1st & 3x 2nd) in platinum in the old system.

The idea of earning less than before only shows 1 thing, and we all know why.

[miloren]

Say that your asso is a top performing one and is always good enough to promote within the top 8. And also assume you all can always finish a 4-round season with 2x 1st finishes, 1x 2nd finish and 1x 3rd finish, so when your team gets promoted to ultimate, your team will receive a total of 172T (2x 47, 1x 43 & 1x 35) instead of the regular 100T you could have earned with staying in platinum in the old system.

Even if your team only manages to stay in diamond, everyone in the asso would get 110T (2x 30, 1x 27 & 1x 23) with the same set of results, which is still more than the previous 100T.

How would you get less then? The only reason would be your asso is not good enough, as a whole, to get promoted to any of the top 2 tiers and only manage to stay in the current 3rd tier of the new system. It is common knowledge for platinum associations to have 2x 1st places finish to survive (or as an alternative, 1x 1st & 3x 2nd) in platinum in the old system.

The idea of earning less than before only shows 1 thing, and we all know why.

Are you sure the tokens earned every week will be multiplied according to the position in the league? The help says it is the association points, not the tokens. If it were as you say, you are right to wait until the end of the season to assess the change, but if not we will earn less no matter where you look

[Guido van den Berg]

Are you sure the tokens earned every week will be multiplied according to the position in the league? The help says it is the association points, not the tokens. If it were as you say, you are right to wait until the end of the season to assess the change, but if not we will earn less no matter where you look

He did not write that...

[khris]

Are you sure the tokens earned every week will be multiplied according to the position in the league? The help says it is the association points, not the tokens. If it were as you say, you are right to wait until the end of the season to assess the change, but if not we will earn less no matter where you look

Tokens are delivered each week, depending on the tournament performance, you only can be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th as usual.
There is nothing that multiply tokens depending on your League position.

[miloren]

Tokens are delivered each week, depending on the tournament performance, you only can be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th as usual.
There is nothing that multiply tokens depending on your League position.

Thanks. So the maximum number of tokens, winning all 4 tournaments, is 64 in platinum, 16x4, far from the 100 you earned for staying even if you did not finish 1st in the 4 tournaments. The cut of tokens in rewards is considerable, and liquidates the possibility of living with the tokens by associations as many of us did to be able to compete against those who use the visa.

The only positive data is that the tanks are finished. But the tanks that run out are the ones that can be made for free, staying in the same division. If you use the visa again you have no limit.

Let's call this update then by its name, which is not exactly "improvement", but another step in the goal of turning the game into a perfect pay to win.

[Guido van den Berg]

Thanks. So the maximum number of tokens, winning all 4 tournaments, is 64 in platinum, 16x4, far from the 100 you earned for staying even if you did not finish 1st in the 4 tournaments. The cut of tokens in rewards is considerable, and liquidates the possibility of living with the tokens by associations as many of us did to be able to compete against those who use the visa..

You are wrong. You can still do this the same way, but your association needs to promote to Diamond or (even better) Ultimate to get the amount of tokens that you were used to. Or get way more if you perform well.

[miloren]

You are wrong. You can still do this the same way, but your association needs to promote to Diamond or (even better) Ultimate to get the amount of tokens that you were used to. Or get way more if you perform well.

I'm afraid I'm not wrong. Apart from the asso points, which are the ones that are affected by the factor you get from your position in the previous league, the other rewards are specific. And the final reward for staying in the same division is 10 green, 10 blue and 10 red, and 20 for going up, no yellow tokens like before.

Then, the maximum number of tokens you can get at the end of the season is 40 in gold1, instead of the 100 you got for going up, 64 in platinum winning all tournaments (4x16), instead of the 100 you got for only remain, and now finally a bit more in diamond and ultimate if you work hard. In gold1 and earlier, the robbery is armed, since even with bad results in the former one you earned more tokens managing to stay in the same division than moving up in the new being 1st the 4 weeks

[Guido van den Berg]

I'm afraid I'm not wrong. Apart from the asso points, which are the ones that are affected by the factor you get from your position in the previous league, the other rewards are specific. And the final reward for staying in the same division is 10 green, 10 blue and 10 red, and 20 for going up, no yellow tokens like before.

Then, the maximum number of tokens you can get at the end of the season is 40 in gold1, instead of the 100 you got for going up, 64 in platinum winning all tournaments (4x16), instead of the 100 you got for only remain, and now finally a bit more in diamond and ultimate if you work hard. In gold1 and earlier, the robbery is armed, since even with bad results in the former one you earned more tokens managing to stay in the same division than moving up in the new being 1st the 4 weeks

Please miloren, read what I wrote. You need to promote to one of the top-2 divisions. These have more rewards than before.

[HeavensAAA]

Are you sure the tokens earned every week will be multiplied according to the position in the league? The help says it is the association points, not the tokens. If it were as you say, you are right to wait until the end of the season to assess the change, but if not we will earn less no matter where you look

Guido van den Berg is right. I never suggested in any thread that tokens earned in FA tournament would be multiplied. If anything, I only mentioned that a manager who won a top3 in league in a season would be granted a x3 multiplier for FA tournaments in the following season which increases the chance of getting more points for his association.

It is further illustrated by my example earlier by the addition of 4x weekly T-income with various finishes to compare with expected T-income in the upcoming new system vs the old system. It is quite clear the example used is an addition of weekly income, not multiplication there.

Regards to tanking, as a few who suggested, tankers could still try it in an alternative season mode. ie. 1 season in top 3, then rejoin the asso to get top x3 multiplier for the following season when they tank and then quit the asso in the season after next. Tankers doing this will need to have 2 acc doing alternate this, and there is no guarantee both their teams could always achieve top3 league standing in the season after they do not tank (ie. Serial tankers may not be ‘good’ enough to win league matches consistently enough with deteriorating tanker teams after not doing so for a long time, their teams promoting 20% every other season means they can no longer use old players to keep tanking but have to learn in knowing how to train younger players and improve them efficiently than relying on automatic increases in serial tanking seasons, etc.). At least serial tankers cannot tank repeatedly and continuously without stops to keep their teams or specifically a few of players at 180%+ forever (as if those players would only improve and never ever deteriorate in their whole career) to manipulate the top-100 like before.

Seasoned-experienced managers of fighting with equal or better opposition without tanking, and to some degree manipulators (who surely did face other manipulators and tankers in draws), have way more solid tactical know-how to win top3 in leagues, in general (because they always try to play to win all 51 matches in a season vs only tanker’s 25 [when they put out tanker formation to lose 26]). That kind of game knowledge gap would hopefully be exposed from next season’s league, and hopefully some of the best non-tanking managers would beat tankers in failing to get league top3 finishes and screw those 1-in-1-out rules-exploiting planning by those gangs of 6 doing the same. (That rule, I believe, is set up to help high level managers near the top in having a fairer chance of getting a x3 multiplier, not for tankers to control multiple accounts jumping in and out regularly and systematically of 1 specific association)

P.S. Maybe an addition rule in limiting the same team be unable to join the same association for more than once within 5-6 seasons should help plugging that possible loophole. Any association who removed a certain member with strong, valid reasons would not consider accepting the same member back into the group so soon anyway, as well as for members who decided to quit an association with long, hard thoughts of pros and cons before doing so. Most other games with association function also have this kind of rules to avoid exploitation too.