A sad but necessary decision

My fellow Top Eleven managers, it is with a note of regret and yet a necessary decision that I am bidding you all farewell. I decided after 18 months of playing this game that I must leave this game. I decided to invest in a Playstation game and play football/soccer on that one. In the end, I would rather win or lose and be it up to me and my ability to do either and at the same time make a one-time investment that I can use when I want and have a greater variety of game options to enjoy.

Unfortunately, this game is without hope. The greed that fuels any decisions within this game will never end, it is for these people like a drug. They will never make this game fair and fun. Prices in this game are out of control across the board. They give us pittances call them gifts, they are crumbs compared to the expenses one has to sustain to play this game in the attempt to arrive anywhere at all. This game is highway robbery and those who attempt to play it free or close to it will always be disappointed and aggravated.

On my part I am done being aggravated by this game, I am taking my destiny into my own hands and if I have to spend even the minimum amount of money to get nowhere I rather spend it all at once and have some real fun.

Good luck to all and do not expect anything to change in this game because it will not. The things they need to do to make this game fair and fun they will not do.

They are too greedy to change anything to benefit us

If it happens that things change for the better I may get back in at some point. Good luck guys. I'm done complaining!

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Originally Posted by MARCO CAIA

My fellow Top Eleven managers, it is with a note of regret and yet a necessary decision that I am bidding you all farewell. I decided after 18 months of playing this game that I must leave this game. I decided to invest in a Playstation game and play football/soccer on that one. In the end, I would rather win or lose and be it up to me and my ability to do either and at the same time make a one-time investment that I can use when I want and have a greater variety of game options to enjoy.

Unfortunately, this game is without hope. The greed that fuels any decisions within this game will never end, it is for these people like a drug. They will never make this game fair and fun. Prices in this game are out of control across the board. They give us pittances call them gifts, they are crumbs compared to the expenses one has to sustain to play this game in the attempt to arrive anywhere at all. This game is highway robbery and those who attempt to play it free or close to it will always be disappointed and aggravated.

On my part I am done being aggravated by this game, I am taking my destiny into my own hands and if I have to spend even the minimum amount of money to get nowhere I rather spend it all at once and have some real fun.

Good luck to all and do not expect anything to change in this game because it will not. The things they need to do to make this game fair and fun they will not do.

They are too greedy to change anything to benefit us

If it happens that things change for the better I may get back in at some point. Good luck guys. I'm done complaining!

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18 months.., You didn’t even get started. Well, bye then.

When you go remember this...

White skills count.
Players in different positions need different training to increase their white skills and not the grey skills.

When you have a team with players with high white skills then you will start to see some good performances.

You have spent 18 months playing the game wrong!
You thought that to win you needed to spend lots of money to buy trophies.
No wonder that you are frustrated?

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Originally Posted by Kenny Jones

When you go remember this...

White skills count.
Players in different positions need different training to increase their white skills and not the grey skills.

When you have a team with players with high white skills then you will start to see some good performances.

You have spent 18 months playing the game wrong!
You thought that to win you needed to spend lots of money to buy trophies.
No wonder that you are frustrated?

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Dear friend you are commenting without knowledge or simply with prejudice not knowing the situation. I have had many good results. I won 6 league titles, 3 Champion Leagues, 2 Cup competitions, and 3 Super Cups, had several second and third placings in other seasons in the league, made the CL finals and lost 4 more times, and played in 3 other Cup finals and lost.

By the way, I did all things on Top Eleven's advice regarding training and all other things concerning the progress of the team I have had very good teams. Did it ever occur to you that to get players to have very high white skills one has to spend a lot of green boosters? How do you get them? Simply the free greens the game supplies are not sufficient to train thoroughly players to increase their white skills as you say. Where do you get greens? You need tokens and where do you get tokens? What you play those stupid third-party games for hours on end to get a handful of tokens? Or what is your next option? You need to buy them and what can you buy them with? Money.

So, as you see my friend it is not the lack of results that is making me leave. It's the unfairness of the system. It's the greed of the company, it's the lack of integrity and honesty in the game owners, it's the defrauding that occurs within the game, and that affects everyone. You see I have achieved many good results but I cannot stand their way. They constantly do things to underhand the players, the prices are too high, and their giftings are dismal and inadequate. They do absolutely nothing to make the game fairer and freer for all and to put everyone in a condition to do well without having to spend a fortune.

You are right about one thing, even though I spent moderately if I had not I would have never achieved the results I achieved.

I did not buy trophies, I bought some resources I needed to do the things that need to be done to improve the team to win some trophies. By the way, it's funny because what do you think professional teams do to be successful? They must generate income and money to do what they need to do to be successful. Those who just sit there doing the minimum will get little in return. You sow sparingly you reap sparingly.

Maybe some of you are willing to be taken advantage of by their greed and simply be satisfied playing for free hoping that you can arrive somewhere without spending a dime. If some of you do then you are better people than me. If however you are always struggling to have good results but simply are deluding yourselves that you are having fun regardless, then more power to you. Look when I play anything, I do it for fun sure but one cannot have fun if they do not ever achieve good results, at least once in a while. What convinced me to quit is not the lack of results but the lack of fairness and integrity in the game system, it's the greed of these people that disgusts me and I will no longer feed their greed not even by participating freely.

Good luck

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Originally Posted by guido van den berg

18 months.., you didn’t even get started. Well, bye then.

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it's plenty of time to learn how this game works and enough time to realize i do not want to participate in the greed and unfair play this company practices. As i explained to my arrogant friend before it is not the lack of results that forced my hand it's the lack of fairness and the incessant ever increasing greed of the company. I could continue to play as i have and have good results but i can not stand the fact that people who are not willing or can not afford to pay much can not be as successful as those who pay or those who pay more and more who can build up an everlasting team that wins all the time and then that gets catapulted into the same category in which we are and leave us without a chance. Quite frankly i do not want to continue to pay for anything at all. I want the free players to have opportunities to compete but in this greedy system this can never be, therefore i leave. Clear now?

My dear friend Marco,
I'm sorry your farewell post had to encounter Kenny's arrogance and not compassion and empathy. Unlike him I understand your point of view and, even though I didn't always agree with you, I salute your effort to change things. Of course it would be easier to lay back like a jersey shore guido on the tanning bed and simply accept what the game has to give, but instead you put time and effort to try and improve this game that we all enjoy playing and for that I would like to thank you.

I invite everyone in the community, except khris, to wear black kits tomorrow in honor of Marco (or Marquinhos like some of us liked to call him).

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Originally Posted by WizPT

My dear friend Marco,
I'm sorry your farewell post had to encounter Kenny's arrogance and not compassion and empathy. Unlike him I understand your point of view and, even though I didn't always agree with you, I salute your effort to change things. Of course it would be easier to lay back like a jersey shore guido on the tanning bed and simply accept what the game has to give, but instead you put time and effort to try and improve this game that we all enjoy playing and for that I would like to thank you.

I invite everyone in the community, except khris, to wear black kits tomorrow in honor of Marco (or Marquinhos like some of us liked to call him).

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Khris wear black on a daily basis, its his favourite colour and nope, Khris dont need to be invited to use black stuff lol you're not my suggar daddy.

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Originally Posted by WizPT

My dear friend Marco,
I'm sorry your farewell post had to encounter Kenny's arrogance and not compassion and empathy. Unlike him I understand your point of view and, even though I didn't always agree with you, I salute your effort to change things. Of course it would be easier to lay back like a jersey shore guido on the tanning bed and simply accept what the game has to give, but instead you put time and effort to try and improve this game that we all enjoy playing and for that I would like to thank you.

I invite everyone in the community, except khris, to wear black kits tomorrow in honor of Marco (or Marquinhos like some of us liked to call him).

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Thanks, I appreciate your kind words. I appreciate constructive criticism but not arrogance, you understand. I could continue to play this game and as I said good results never were the problem as I have had quite a few. Kenny's point is also to be confirmed because even though of course white skills are the most important skills however when I asked I was told by a very reliable source that supposedly it's the total AVQ that the simulator takes into consideration and not the white skills of players. Now I have to concede to Kenny's point that I also thought that very high white skills were the real deal, not the tot AVQ but then I was told no. However, the point is that even if that white skill deal is true to greatly increase them on must train a lot, especially with this new method of training, even more than before, and to do so one has to spend a lot of greens and to do that one must spend tokens and unless Kenny or other have a way to get a lot of free tokens without spending endless hours playing stupid third party games to get a handful of tokens then I cannot see how one can achieve those goals without spending a moderate amount of money. As I said and you even agreed if we play 100% free we are in for a lot of disappointments and quite frankly I do not have fun going through a whole lot of wasting time training by team so I can do poorly. He says buying trophies? I say, spending some to get needed resources. The problem with the game as we all know is the whole system is based on greed and making us spend more and more not to play freely. The whole point is that Nordeus game owners do not give us the necessary and sufficient resources to be able to do well playing for free. They have zero intentions to make this game affordable. They give us free resources and maybe in their minds they think they are being generous but in reality, they give us crumbs that could never be sufficient to keep a team successful without spending real money, The only possible bypass there is to tank the team. I do not want to do that, we should not have to do that. What can one possibly do with what they give us? Think about it, we get at best 35 tokens a month from them, and once in a while, we get one token only for winning and watching league matches, so let's assume in a good season we win 20 games and are lucky enough that they are at times we can watch them that is 55 tokens or less per month. So someone please tell me what can one do with 55 tokens a month. Absolutely nothing at the prices they sell stuff. You cannot even buy a good player in scouting for that much. Come on, but then I have to hear about training my players for white skills, with what? 55 tokens per month?

To properly succeed in this game one needs the following without a doubt. 350 to 500 tokens per season, you have to purchase a the very least the 4.99 special sponsor, the 4.99 monthly token card, and at least the 4.99 Boost. The question remains how to get 350 to 500 tokens every month without buying them, perhaps Kenny might want to give us some of his Top Eleven knowledge and let us know where he gets all the needed resources without as he says " buying trophies"

Please. Let's face it this game is a sham and I will no longer feed their greed, they will never change so this is like a bad relationship, if you have to do most of everything, spend and buy while the other person gives you little or nothing eventually you break up. So goodbye and good luck to all

Kenny, we're still waiting...

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Originally Posted by MARCO CAIA

Thanks, I appreciate your kind words. I appreciate constructive criticism but not arrogance, you understand. I could continue to play this game and as I said good results never were the problem as I have had quite a few. Kenny's point is also to be confirmed because even though of course white skills are the most important skills however when I asked I was told by a very reliable source that supposedly it's the total AVQ that the simulator takes into consideration and not the white skills of players. Now I have to concede to Kenny's point that I also thought that very high white skills were the real deal, not the tot AVQ but then I was told no. However, the point is that even if that white skill deal is true to greatly increase them on must train a lot, especially with this new method of training, even more than before, and to do so one has to spend a lot of greens and to do that one must spend tokens and unless Kenny or other have a way to get a lot of free tokens without spending endless hours playing stupid third party games to get a handful of tokens then I cannot see how one can achieve those goals without spending a moderate amount of money. As I said and you even agreed if we play 100% free we are in for a lot of disappointments and quite frankly I do not have fun going through a whole lot of wasting time training by team so I can do poorly. He says buying trophies? I say, spending some to get needed resources. The problem with the game as we all know is the whole system is based on greed and making us spend more and more not to play freely. The whole point is that Nordeus game owners do not give us the necessary and sufficient resources to be able to do well playing for free. They have zero intentions to make this game affordable. They give us free resources and maybe in their minds they think they are being generous but in reality, they give us crumbs that could never be sufficient to keep a team successful without spending real money, The only possible bypass there is to tank the team. I do not want to do that, we should not have to do that. What can one possibly do with what they give us? Think about it, we get at best 35 tokens a month from them, and once in a while, we get one token only for winning and watching league matches, so let's assume in a good season we win 20 games and are lucky enough that they are at times we can watch them that is 55 tokens or less per month. So someone please tell me what can one do with 55 tokens a month. Absolutely nothing at the prices they sell stuff. You cannot even buy a good player in scouting for that much. Come on, but then I have to hear about training my players for white skills, with what? 55 tokens per month?

To properly succeed in this game one needs the following without a doubt. 350 to 500 tokens per season, you have to purchase a the very least the 4.99 special sponsor, the 4.99 monthly token card, and at least the 4.99 Boost. The question remains how to get 350 to 500 tokens every month without buying them, perhaps Kenny might want to give us some of his Top Eleven knowledge and let us know where he gets all the needed resources without as he says " buying trophies"

Please. Let's face it this game is a sham and I will no longer feed their greed, they will never change so this is like a bad relationship, if you have to do most of everything, spend and buy while the other person gives you little or nothing eventually you break up. So goodbye and good luck to all

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Sorry to see you go....

I was surprised by the way hearing that the avg. quakity is more important than the white skills?
Where did you hear that??

Player base is the most important, you can train **** player as hard as you want, he would be bad anyway. He just changes slightly when he reach new star. But it's not so big deal.

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Originally Posted by maloukees

Sorry to see you go....

I was surprised by the way hearing that the avg. quakity is more important than the white skills?
Where did you hear that??

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Hello, thanks for your sentiments regarding my leaving. It was Khris who told me that., unless I misunderstood but I do not think so. One Time I specifically asked him about one of my players who had very high defensive white skills and very low gray skills bringing my player total average low. I asked him if that would still be a factor in the game being that he was a very strong white skill and he told me that it does not matter because the computer goes on the total AVQ, not the individual skills alone. Basically, I understood that if you have a team with all players with very high white skills but very low in gray then the total AVQ obviously would be lower and a team with a total avq that is higher would beat mine even though players all had very high white skills. Now I thought the whole game is a crock because then all skills count and then there should be no distinction between gray and white they should all count the same. If grey is not a great factor in the player then it should bear no difference in the outcome of the game. That is how I think about it. If I have a defender that has 150% defending white skills that plays against an attacker with say 130% attacking white skills then my defender should be 20% stronger than the attacker and should be able to stop him at least 20% more times and this should be a factor in every position.
Therefore the tot avq of a team should be based solely on the white skills of a player not the total. example, if I have say 2 or 3 very strong players and 8 to 9 good players the total avq of the team goes higher but in reality the team is not stronger than a team that has a lesser avq but is on the total a stronger team than the one with few very high star players.

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Originally Posted by maloukees

Sorry to see you go....

I was surprised by the way hearing that the avg. quakity is more important than the white skills?
Where did you hear that??

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The AvQ so the distance in quality between both teams set a starting parameter for each game scenario, setting what I call the Beatability Margin.
Then the game does his process as usual to do the simulation, simplificating your team of 11, so this means eliminating players available to be decisive because of the variable -that impacts on rating behaviour and its streak of good ratings and which is different in every player, so some have 86868 and you can predict when he'll be decisive, others will have 3-4-5 good matches with max rating which is 9-10 for equal- and then the engine dont face formations, just reads lists of players and always simulates attacking actions for one or another team, never defensive ones and thats why now we can see FAs with full defenses -180%. I said this on my guides like 7 yers or more ago and despite the updates that the game had, the engine still the same as in the V.1 practically... the biggest impact we had is the scores cap, that eliminated the 21-0 usual max score we had and transformed this into a more contained score like 12-0 or even a 4-0 iin certain cases, and then the expansion on the attacking list of players twice... first time in 2015 when STs stopped working and aml/amr gained protagonism and with the Playstyle update we have seen a new change in this aspect as the MCs gained terrain.

Train a white skill will matter if the player is well programmed enough to 'fix' the score and win by default, isnt easy to calculate what you need to train to fix/make rigged the score but depends on the player internal power assigned. If you train a player with a lot of Dominance power -so that is selected for more animations- + more contributive power -so more efficency- of course here is when you can create the more close to a superstar, othewise if the player isnt well programmed you'll feel it capped so with a max. of contribution that cant improve despite the 5000% skills you can add, as the game dont work with fixed proportions for realism purposes.

And more or less, till here my point that I always defended.
Then, please those who are fustrated, don't try to interpret this game as something realistic, as its a simple machine that reads parameters in a very simple way. Instead, try to think like the engine and think how the process is to generate the score, so then you will be able to read your own team situation and improve.

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Originally Posted by WizPT

Kenny, we're still waiting...

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Firstly, an apology. It has taken me a long time to put this together. I apologies If I have come across ignorant or rude.

Top Eleven

I am a computer engineer. I understand that this is a game programmed by an algorithm. The skill lies in trying to understand that algorithm. It is likely to not be complicated and probably never changed. Nordeus found something that worked and are unlikely to have changed it.
I have been playing this game for 4 years and have only just started to figure it out.
This game is not about winning matches but about playing matches and winning resources.
My team is at 127% and I have won an average of 1 trophy for every season that I have played the game. I have found that staying around 130% at the end of the season, with my players with high white skills gives me the most competitive draws for the next season.

Game play

My experience is different to Kris. I believe that there are 4 or 5 key positions in a squad and 4 or 5 key players. I also believe that there is a hidden player attribute of form which varies from player to player and day to day. The trick to this game lies in working out who are your key positions and players. Every squad is different. These key players seem to change every time a new player is added to your squad, but the key positions stay for the season. You need to have those key players in those key positions and hope that they are in form.
Find a formation that involves your key positions and then put your key players into those positions. You may need to adjust this every season.
Counter formations with players with high white skills can work. But you also need your key players in key positions and their form to be good.

Friends
Make lots of friends with players at least 5 levels below you. You can find them by watching who bids on players in the transfer market. Keep a watch on those friends who have abandoned the game. Find a Friendly Championship where most of the teams are lower than you. You can win 1 green, 1 red and 3 blues from each friendly.

Squad
I have at least 22 players, enough for a first team and a reserves. The reserves contain at least 3 players that can fit into my first team to make a substitution in the match and to cover for suspensions. The reserves can be trained extra to increase your Teamplay Form. I also play a friendly every day with my reserves against an abandoned team from a lower level with tackling set to easy. You can win 1 green, 1 red and 3 blues from each friendly.

Training

Only white skills count. Train your players to train only their white skills. High White skills and low grey skills gives you a lower Average % and therefore likely to be drawn against lower % opponents.
If the average % of two opponents is similar, the higher white skills of the players is a factor in the result. Key players in key positions with high white skills will produce good performances.
Defenders physical attributes do not seem to be taken into account in the algorithm.

Fast Trainers

There are many videos on how to identify fast trainers. You need to find fast trainers for your key positions.
Every day you get 25 videos to save. Collect green resources. In a season you can easily get 600. Every 2 seasons you will have 1200. That is enough resources to power train the white skills of your new fast trainer in one of your key positions. 5 key positions means that if you replace one every 2/3 years then you will be able to produce a constant stream of highly trained players in key positions. Train them well when they are under 21 and they will last until they are 32/33.

Transfers
Never buy your recommended daily player. Although, why it should be offered at such a ridiculous price means that it should never be considered. Sometimes, one of your free players offered by the Assistant manager that only costs tokens as the sponsor is paying the cash, sometimes they are fast trainers.

Money

I used to spend money every month on this game, but now I realise that there is no need to purchase offers to enjoy the game. It is now impossible to complete special sponsor without further purchases so I only purchase the special sponsor task every 2/3 seasons. This allows me to get a premium special ability for my newest key position. It works out about £12 every 3 months, which is £1 per week. I see this as a subscription to allow me to play the game.
I never buy Boost lab or Hot Shots.
Of course, I understand and accept that there are players who can and will spend lots of money on this game. They will have bigger and stronger squads than me. But that is their choice. Without them paying all this money we probably would not have a game to play.

Tokens

Collecting tokens is necessary to purchase players in the transfer market. You may need to buy more than 10 before you find a fast trainer. Although, at level 15 and below it is possible to spot them using a table provided elsewhere on this forum. I am in a Diamond association that gets me 80 tokens a season. I also look at the Free tokens when the X2 is on. There are some you can get quite easily. Often needing to invest little more than time. Doing surveys is a good one. You can get 20 tokens for half an hour of answering questions. I have earned 400 tokens+ just by watching a movie trailer!

Time
You need to invest time in this game. I generally spend an hour each day, but some of that is watching videos to collect the green packs, which can be done while focusing on something else.
I can then spend an hour or 2 power training my fast trainer when sat at a station, on a train or in an airport.
I can do tasks to collect tokens also at that time, or when I have no player needing training.

Draw Frenzy, Kick around, Penalty shoot out and that other merge game.

I only play these for free and never spend tokens. If I am out then I am out. They cost tokens and money – always. And they are nothing to do with a football management simulation game. These are for gamblers and not game players.

I have not told you all that I have learnt, I need to keep some secrets to myself!
But following the points above has allowed to me to enjoy Top Eleven as a game that I can play as a distraction to my normal life, without it costing me more than £1 each week.

Issues
The algorithm needs changing. The tactic of 3DC-DMC-5-1, with the DC’s all at 1% should not be able to win every match. You would not expect Manchester City’s attack to win everything if they have Stockport County’s defense. This is an issue that the programmers need to change so that the defense plays a bigger part in the game engine.

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Originally Posted by Kenny Jones

Firstly, an apology. It has taken me a long time to put this together. I apologies If I have come across ignorant or rude.

Top Eleven

I am a computer engineer. I understand that this is a game programmed by an algorithm. The skill lies in trying to understand that algorithm. It is likely to not be complicated and probably never changed. Nordeus found something that worked and are unlikely to have changed it.
I have been playing this game for 4 years and have only just started to figure it out.
This game is not about winning matches but about playing matches and winning resources.
My team is at 127% and I have won an average of 1 trophy for every season that I have played the game. I have found that staying around 130% at the end of the season, with my players with high white skills gives me the most competitive draws for the next season.

Game play

My experience is different to Kris. I believe that there are 4 or 5 key positions in a squad and 4 or 5 key players. I also believe that there is a hidden player attribute of form which varies from player to player and day to day. The trick to this game lies in working out who are your key positions and players. Every squad is different. These key players seem to change every time a new player is added to your squad, but the key positions stay for the season. You need to have those key players in those key positions and hope that they are in form.
Find a formation that involves your key positions and then put your key players into those positions. You may need to adjust this every season.
Counter formations with players with high white skills can work. But you also need your key players in key positions and their form to be good.

Friends
Make lots of friends with players at least 5 levels below you. You can find them by watching who bids on players in the transfer market. Keep a watch on those friends who have abandoned the game. Find a Friendly Championship where most of the teams are lower than you. You can win 1 green, 1 red and 3 blues from each friendly.

Squad
I have at least 22 players, enough for a first team and a reserves. The reserves contain at least 3 players that can fit into my first team to make a substitution in the match and to cover for suspensions. The reserves can be trained extra to increase your Teamplay Form. I also play a friendly every day with my reserves against an abandoned team from a lower level with tackling set to easy. You can win 1 green, 1 red and 3 blues from each friendly.

Training

Only white skills count. Train your players to train only their white skills. High White skills and low grey skills gives you a lower Average % and therefore likely to be drawn against lower % opponents.
If the average % of two opponents is similar, the higher white skills of the players is a factor in the result. Key players in key positions with high white skills will produce good performances.
Defenders physical attributes do not seem to be taken into account in the algorithm.

Fast Trainers

There are many videos on how to identify fast trainers. You need to find fast trainers for your key positions.
Every day you get 25 videos to save. Collect green resources. In a season you can easily get 600. Every 2 seasons you will have 1200. That is enough resources to power train the white skills of your new fast trainer in one of your key positions. 5 key positions means that if you replace one every 2/3 years then you will be able to produce a constant stream of highly trained players in key positions. Train them well when they are under 21 and they will last until they are 32/33.

Transfers
Never buy your recommended daily player. Although, why it should be offered at such a ridiculous price means that it should never be considered. Sometimes, one of your free players offered by the Assistant manager that only costs tokens as the sponsor is paying the cash, sometimes they are fast trainers.

Money

I used to spend money every month on this game, but now I realise that there is no need to purchase offers to enjoy the game. It is now impossible to complete special sponsor without further purchases so I only purchase the special sponsor task every 2/3 seasons. This allows me to get a premium special ability for my newest key position. It works out about £12 every 3 months, which is £1 per week. I see this as a subscription to allow me to play the game.
I never buy Boost lab or Hot Shots.
Of course, I understand and accept that there are players who can and will spend lots of money on this game. They will have bigger and stronger squads than me. But that is their choice. Without them paying all this money we probably would not have a game to play.

Tokens

Collecting tokens is necessary to purchase players in the transfer market. You may need to buy more than 10 before you find a fast trainer. Although, at level 15 and below it is possible to spot them using a table provided elsewhere on this forum. I am in a Diamond association that gets me 80 tokens a season. I also look at the Free tokens when the X2 is on. There are some you can get quite easily. Often needing to invest little more than time. Doing surveys is a good one. You can get 20 tokens for half an hour of answering questions. I have earned 400 tokens+ just by watching a movie trailer!

Time
You need to invest time in this game. I generally spend an hour each day, but some of that is watching videos to collect the green packs, which can be done while focusing on something else.
I can then spend an hour or 2 power training my fast trainer when sat at a station, on a train or in an airport.
I can do tasks to collect tokens also at that time, or when I have no player needing training.

Draw Frenzy, Kick around, Penalty shoot out and that other merge game.

I only play these for free and never spend tokens. If I am out then I am out. They cost tokens and money – always. And they are nothing to do with a football management simulation game. These are for gamblers and not game players.

I have not told you all that I have learnt, I need to keep some secrets to myself!
But following the points above has allowed to me to enjoy Top Eleven as a game that I can play as a distraction to my normal life, without it costing me more than £1 each week.

Issues
The algorithm needs changing. The tactic of 3DC-DMC-5-1, with the DC’s all at 1% should not be able to win every match. You would not expect Manchester City’s attack to win everything if they have Stockport County’s defense. This is an issue that the programmers need to change so that the defense plays a bigger part in the game engine.

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Staying around at 130% every season
Ahahahaha :D thank you
End of the discussion

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Originally Posted by khris

The AvQ so the distance in quality between both teams set a starting parameter for each game scenario, setting what I call the Beatability Margin.
Then the game does his process as usual to do the simulation, simplificating your team of 11, so this means eliminating players available to be decisive because of the variable -that impacts on rating behaviour and its streak of good ratings and which is different in every player, so some have 86868 and you can predict when he'll be decisive, others will have 3-4-5 good matches with max rating which is 9-10 for equal- and then the engine dont face formations, just reads lists of players and always simulates attacking actions for one or another team, never defensive ones and thats why now we can see FAs with full defenses -180%. I said this on my guides like 7 yers or more ago and despite the updates that the game had, the engine still the same as in the V.1 practically... the biggest impact we had is the scores cap, that eliminated the 21-0 usual max score we had and transformed this into a more contained score like 12-0 or even a 4-0 iin certain cases, and then the expansion on the attacking list of players twice... first time in 2015 when STs stopped working and aml/amr gained protagonism and with the Playstyle update we have seen a new change in this aspect as the MCs gained terrain.

Train a white skill will matter if the player is well programmed enough to 'fix' the score and win by default, isnt easy to calculate what you need to train to fix/make rigged the score but depends on the player internal power assigned. If you train a player with a lot of Dominance power -so that is selected for more animations- + more contributive power -so more efficency- of course here is when you can create the more close to a superstar, othewise if the player isnt well programmed you'll feel it capped so with a max. of contribution that cant improve despite the 5000% skills you can add, as the game dont work with fixed proportions for realism purposes.

And more or less, till here my point that I always defended.
Then, please those who are fustrated, don't try to interpret this game as something realistic, as its a simple machine that reads parameters in a very simple way. Instead, try to think like the engine and think how the process is to generate the score, so then you will be able to read your own team situation and improve.

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too freaking complicated all that is bunk and it should not matter as that. All payers, and all skills should be taken into consideration. Whoever programmed this game did not do it properly. It's BS.

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Originally Posted by Kenny Jones

Firstly, an apology. It has taken me a long time to put this together. I apologies If I have come across ignorant or rude.

Top Eleven

I am a computer engineer. I understand that this is a game programmed by an algorithm. The skill lies in trying to understand that algorithm. It is likely to not be complicated and probably never changed. Nordeus found something that worked and are unlikely to have changed it.
I have been playing this game for 4 years and have only just started to figure it out.
This game is not about winning matches but about playing matches and winning resources.
My team is at 127% and I have won an average of 1 trophy for every season that I have played the game. I have found that staying around 130% at the end of the season, with my players with high white skills gives me the most competitive draws for the next season.

Game play

My experience is different to Kris. I believe that there are 4 or 5 key positions in a squad and 4 or 5 key players. I also believe that there is a hidden player attribute of form which varies from player to player and day to day. The trick to this game lies in working out who are your key positions and players. Every squad is different. These key players seem to change every time a new player is added to your squad, but the key positions stay for the season. You need to have those key players in those key positions and hope that they are in form.
Find a formation that involves your key positions and then put your key players into those positions. You may need to adjust this every season.
Counter formations with players with high white skills can work. But you also need your key players in key positions and their form to be good.

Friends
Make lots of friends with players at least 5 levels below you. You can find them by watching who bids on players in the transfer market. Keep a watch on those friends who have abandoned the game. Find a Friendly Championship where most of the teams are lower than you. You can win 1 green, 1 red and 3 blues from each friendly.

Squad
I have at least 22 players, enough for a first team and a reserves. The reserves contain at least 3 players that can fit into my first team to make a substitution in the match and to cover for suspensions. The reserves can be trained extra to increase your Teamplay Form. I also play a friendly every day with my reserves against an abandoned team from a lower level with tackling set to easy. You can win 1 green, 1 red and 3 blues from each friendly.

Training

Only white skills count. Train your players to train only their white skills. High White skills and low grey skills gives you a lower Average % and therefore likely to be drawn against lower % opponents.
If the average % of two opponents is similar, the higher white skills of the players is a factor in the result. Key players in key positions with high white skills will produce good performances.
Defenders physical attributes do not seem to be taken into account in the algorithm.

Fast Trainers

There are many videos on how to identify fast trainers. You need to find fast trainers for your key positions.
Every day you get 25 videos to save. Collect green resources. In a season you can easily get 600. Every 2 seasons you will have 1200. That is enough resources to power train the white skills of your new fast trainer in one of your key positions. 5 key positions means that if you replace one every 2/3 years then you will be able to produce a constant stream of highly trained players in key positions. Train them well when they are under 21 and they will last until they are 32/33.

Transfers
Never buy your recommended daily player. Although, why it should be offered at such a ridiculous price means that it should never be considered. Sometimes, one of your free players offered by the Assistant manager that only costs tokens as the sponsor is paying the cash, sometimes they are fast trainers.

Money

I used to spend money every month on this game, but now I realise that there is no need to purchase offers to enjoy the game. It is now impossible to complete special sponsor without further purchases so I only purchase the special sponsor task every 2/3 seasons. This allows me to get a premium special ability for my newest key position. It works out about £12 every 3 months, which is £1 per week. I see this as a subscription to allow me to play the game.
I never buy Boost lab or Hot Shots.
Of course, I understand and accept that there are players who can and will spend lots of money on this game. They will have bigger and stronger squads than me. But that is their choice. Without them paying all this money we probably would not have a game to play.

Tokens

Collecting tokens is necessary to purchase players in the transfer market. You may need to buy more than 10 before you find a fast trainer. Although, at level 15 and below it is possible to spot them using a table provided elsewhere on this forum. I am in a Diamond association that gets me 80 tokens a season. I also look at the Free tokens when the X2 is on. There are some you can get quite easily. Often needing to invest little more than time. Doing surveys is a good one. You can get 20 tokens for half an hour of answering questions. I have earned 400 tokens+ just by watching a movie trailer!

Time
You need to invest time in this game. I generally spend an hour each day, but some of that is watching videos to collect the green packs, which can be done while focusing on something else.
I can then spend an hour or 2 power training my fast trainer when sat at a station, on a train or in an airport.
I can do tasks to collect tokens also at that time, or when I have no player needing training.

Draw Frenzy, Kick around, Penalty shoot out and that other merge game.

I only play these for free and never spend tokens. If I am out then I am out. They cost tokens and money – always. And they are nothing to do with a football management simulation game. These are for gamblers and not game players.

I have not told you all that I have learnt, I need to keep some secrets to myself!
But following the points above has allowed to me to enjoy Top Eleven as a game that I can play as a distraction to my normal life, without it costing me more than £1 each week.

Issues
The algorithm needs changing. The tactic of 3DC-DMC-5-1, with the DC’s all at 1% should not be able to win every match. You would not expect Manchester City’s attack to win everything if they have Stockport County’s defense. This is an issue that the programmers need to change so that the defense plays a bigger part in the game engine.

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well thank you, apology accepted, despite what you have shared and Khris said I still believe this game is not well programmed in addition as I said before it was not the lack of results that caused me to exit it's the greed and unfair practice of the company. They suck period! I am not, even by presence, whether free or not enabling them any longer to take advantage of the players. As I said I will buy a PlayStation and a football game, and I will be in charge of my outcomes in the game, whether good or bad. I will train myself, not a team that I later have to leave in the hands of bad programming to determine whether or not my efforts were sufficient or not to beat some player who decides to spend a lot of money and buy everything. Then after I scrounged and sacrificed as you even say, spent a lot of time and effort in the game and got to play a decisive match I have to succumb to them. Then It just is not fair. If they do not want to change their pernicious ways and they won't then I'm not playing this game.

There should then be two versions of the game, one completely free game without in-game purchases and one pay-to-play I would even concede paying a fee, like $ 4.99 per season to play the rest of the game completely free.. Just give ads watching resources, provide ways to get free resources and give some as rewards for good results. That's my take ion all this. Let the spending/gamblers have their leagues and competitions and have us who want to just play free and have fun have ours.

Good and accurate analysis, Kenny! I am glad to see someone who understands the game.

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Originally Posted by Kenny Jones

Firstly, an apology. It has taken me a long time to put this together. I apologies If I have come across ignorant or rude.

Top Eleven

I am a computer engineer. I understand that this is a game programmed by an algorithm. The skill lies in trying to understand that algorithm. It is likely to not be complicated and probably never changed. Nordeus found something that worked and are unlikely to have changed it.
I have been playing this game for 4 years and have only just started to figure it out.
This game is not about winning matches but about playing matches and winning resources.
My team is at 127% and I have won an average of 1 trophy for every season that I have played the game. I have found that staying around 130% at the end of the season, with my players with high white skills gives me the most competitive draws for the next season.

Game play

My experience is different to Kris. I believe that there are 4 or 5 key positions in a squad and 4 or 5 key players. I also believe that there is a hidden player attribute of form which varies from player to player and day to day. The trick to this game lies in working out who are your key positions and players. Every squad is different. These key players seem to change every time a new player is added to your squad, but the key positions stay for the season. You need to have those key players in those key positions and hope that they are in form.
Find a formation that involves your key positions and then put your key players into those positions. You may need to adjust this every season.
Counter formations with players with high white skills can work. But you also need your key players in key positions and their form to be good.

Friends
Make lots of friends with players at least 5 levels below you. You can find them by watching who bids on players in the transfer market. Keep a watch on those friends who have abandoned the game. Find a Friendly Championship where most of the teams are lower than you. You can win 1 green, 1 red and 3 blues from each friendly.

Squad
I have at least 22 players, enough for a first team and a reserves. The reserves contain at least 3 players that can fit into my first team to make a substitution in the match and to cover for suspensions. The reserves can be trained extra to increase your Teamplay Form. I also play a friendly every day with my reserves against an abandoned team from a lower level with tackling set to easy. You can win 1 green, 1 red and 3 blues from each friendly.

Training

Only white skills count. Train your players to train only their white skills. High White skills and low grey skills gives you a lower Average % and therefore likely to be drawn against lower % opponents.
If the average % of two opponents is similar, the higher white skills of the players is a factor in the result. Key players in key positions with high white skills will produce good performances.
Defenders physical attributes do not seem to be taken into account in the algorithm.

Fast Trainers

There are many videos on how to identify fast trainers. You need to find fast trainers for your key positions.
Every day you get 25 videos to save. Collect green resources. In a season you can easily get 600. Every 2 seasons you will have 1200. That is enough resources to power train the white skills of your new fast trainer in one of your key positions. 5 key positions means that if you replace one every 2/3 years then you will be able to produce a constant stream of highly trained players in key positions. Train them well when they are under 21 and they will last until they are 32/33.

Transfers
Never buy your recommended daily player. Although, why it should be offered at such a ridiculous price means that it should never be considered. Sometimes, one of your free players offered by the Assistant manager that only costs tokens as the sponsor is paying the cash, sometimes they are fast trainers.

Money

I used to spend money every month on this game, but now I realise that there is no need to purchase offers to enjoy the game. It is now impossible to complete special sponsor without further purchases so I only purchase the special sponsor task every 2/3 seasons. This allows me to get a premium special ability for my newest key position. It works out about £12 every 3 months, which is £1 per week. I see this as a subscription to allow me to play the game.
I never buy Boost lab or Hot Shots.
Of course, I understand and accept that there are players who can and will spend lots of money on this game. They will have bigger and stronger squads than me. But that is their choice. Without them paying all this money we probably would not have a game to play.

Tokens

Collecting tokens is necessary to purchase players in the transfer market. You may need to buy more than 10 before you find a fast trainer. Although, at level 15 and below it is possible to spot them using a table provided elsewhere on this forum. I am in a Diamond association that gets me 80 tokens a season. I also look at the Free tokens when the X2 is on. There are some you can get quite easily. Often needing to invest little more than time. Doing surveys is a good one. You can get 20 tokens for half an hour of answering questions. I have earned 400 tokens+ just by watching a movie trailer!

Time
You need to invest time in this game. I generally spend an hour each day, but some of that is watching videos to collect the green packs, which can be done while focusing on something else.
I can then spend an hour or 2 power training my fast trainer when sat at a station, on a train or in an airport.
I can do tasks to collect tokens also at that time, or when I have no player needing training.

Draw Frenzy, Kick around, Penalty shoot out and that other merge game.

I only play these for free and never spend tokens. If I am out then I am out. They cost tokens and money – always. And they are nothing to do with a football management simulation game. These are for gamblers and not game players.

I have not told you all that I have learnt, I need to keep some secrets to myself!
But following the points above has allowed to me to enjoy Top Eleven as a game that I can play as a distraction to my normal life, without it costing me more than £1 each week.

Issues
The algorithm needs changing. The tactic of 3DC-DMC-5-1, with the DC’s all at 1% should not be able to win every match. You would not expect Manchester City’s attack to win everything if they have Stockport County’s defense. This is an issue that the programmers need to change so that the defense plays a bigger part in the game engine.

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I've just played the first match of my cup semi final this morning against a similar team (3DC-DMC-5-1, with the DC’s all at 1% and each other player 200%+).
Of course I lost 7 - 3 but I'm happy... I scored 3 goals :D much more then it was done by any other opponent of this team.

The real problem is not win or loose but to know at the first day of the month who will win the competition. Where is the challenge.
I said many time, it's not enough consider only the initial average % value of top 14 players in the draw. Please take in account the max % value of the previous season or the max % of single player.

Again on draw. Also this month teams from 70% to 120%, to be more precise 5 teams around 120% and the other 9 teams, abandoned under 100%. The result is most of the matches end 8 - 0 or more. Only 4 / 5 interesting matches during the full league. Again where is the challenge?
I don't like winning 8-0 as I don't like facing a 3DC-DMC-5-1 200% team

Guys listen, we can kick this can down the road until the sun burns out. The bottom line is this, this game is not designed simply to be played and have fun doing it. As per the answer Kenny gave, I understand what he means but to play as he says to me takes away the fun from the game because it becomes a job rather than being a game designed for us to have fun with. Someone in this commentary said after I said that because I had been playing this game for 18 months, this was a short time to be having the experience to be complaining or understanding how this game works. Instead 18 months not only was enough time but it was a longer time than was needed to understand how this game works. I understand that this game is ruled and motivated by the greed of those who created and own it, period. There are no, zero, reasons why this game is so expensive. The design and the programming of this game, all of it, is to make players eventually spend some type of money to play it to do well. I did not spend a lot but I had to buy basic things to keep a semblance of success. The internal program despite all the technical info everyone tries to share here is bunk. It does not matter to me all the numbers and percentages and this and that, the simulation of the game is not even close to reality. The training and all that is attached to it in the end matters only to some degree and the outcomes are hardly based on all we do in the game. In the end, I do not care about all the technical this and that. because the game is poorly programmed but in reality it is programmed to provide outcomes that are only beneficial to them not us. I have plenty of times shared on here ways that this game would be great and fun to play but that would mean that they would have to restructure it in such a way where money no longer is a burden on the shoulders of the players at least not as much as it is now. I have said this many times and will say it again, I am all for someone being in business to make money but not when they are thieves and unfair greedy people like these. They tell me every time the prices are high because of inflation, areas, etc. what does that mean? Absolutely nothing, It's an excuse to charge us a lot of money for nothing. There are no reasons why these prices are so high. None! I believe that they should divide the game in two types of game. One should have a monthly fee of say $ 4.99 equivalent for all areas, to access and play the game BUT then one pays nothing for resources except watching ads. In addition to that they should seek to make agreements with FIFA and clubs and leagues around the world to get their sponsors and advertisers to advertise in the game. Have the logos and advertisers also in the game itself, In this way they make money from the advertisers and the burden is completely lifted off the players This would solve all the expense issues for us players. At least the prices of resources could be very low and most would be free. In addition as far as the game itself, in other words, the playing part of it, more control of game outcome should be redirected to the managers and less to the random choice of the computer's preference. In other words, the managers should have updated tactical control so that we can have more tactical options. New and improved orders need to be included so that we can choose to practice tactical things we do not have the option to do now. I have often written what my thoughts and ideas were regarding this subject as well. In closing, I will no longer submit to their greed in any way until they decide to change the way the game is structured and provide more free options and less expensive resources. If they ever change this I may think about returning to play. If I could find some programmers and investors I have a lot of good ideas to create a similar game but much better than this one and freer than this one too.

I, who play this for 10 years, can say that this game is no longer fun or interesting to play. And the reasons are more than obvious.

But i would like to know: Do new players who start to play it feel joy ? Is it fun to play nowdays? Because when i started to play it with only text and shirts, it was very interesting and exciting...

Without spending, don't even try playing at 130, everyday will be like a cup final, with 2 match/day, your resources will be drained, it feel like a full time job just to get the match prepareness up. Everyone is competing for the "who is richer trophy", you will end up stress if thing dont go your way, and eventually quit.

I find playing at 80-100 is the sweet spot, the game is more relaxing with ~4 teams fighting for 1st spot on the league, no need to waste time watching ads, no need to boost every match, no one buying 5% mourinho support, the only busy schedule is only on the final week.


If you are playing at 100+, learn how to get better draw on next season by selling your 1st team players /hiding on player academy / selling all youth academy, oscasionally will get a draw against +1 level manager with access to better market with 200 training rule.

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Originally Posted by tomu741

I, who play this for 10 years, can say that this game is no longer fun or interesting to play. And the reasons are more than obvious.

But i would like to know: Do new players who start to play it feel joy ? Is it fun to play nowdays? Because when i started to play it with only text and shirts, it was very interesting and exciting...

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At first the excitement, and newness of the game, and nowadays even the improved cosmetic aspect of the game is even better than 2 years ago so I can understand the enticement the new players get from it; Also do not forget that when one starts off new usually they will cause things to always go your way to hook you in addition they offer cheaper and even free things you stop getting when you start moving up. I remember, and they still do it, for example, the academy coaches when you first start they are cheaper regardless of inflation, that is why they are full of crap about this inflation thing. The prices go up as you move up. I remember the first couple of seasons I even received one free academy coach. The creators and programmers of this game know exactly what they are doing. They know how to psychologically manipulate people and get them hooked in. The problems with this game are many. The motivating greed factor will never allow us to have fun any longer. They manipulate and steal away almost in a stealthy way, if you are discerning and observing though you begin to see it and then the fascination and infatuation of the game go away. I can list thing after thing they do most people do not catch. For example, why do they allow the morale of a player who scores to goals in one match to fall from superb to very good especially when the team wins the match? I have never understood why the player of the match does not get on fire morale for the following season day. What is the benefit of the man of the match if the player/you get nothing? These are the little ways they steal and cause us to have to get resources and in most cases have to pay for them in some ways. In fact, the man of the match may even fall in morale status, how could that be? Then they make you pay 14.99 dollars to get the better sponsor and they offer you X 2 skills for players on fire morale but they do absolutely nothing to increase the chance of your players getting on fire morale in fact they take them away. You see there are many ways they could help us have a better gaming experience but they just will not. i can mention probably 100 ways that they rip us off in little ways most people do not catch.

Well, I move at 120% ending season. Level 80, 36 leagues an 32 cups. Buy Special manager 1 of each 2-3 seasons (complete till player only ended 2 times, adding 25 tokens to it. Tasks about training academy are a joke as the training academy has nonsense prices) and sometimes a monthly card.

But I watch almost ALL videos. That's many X2 in the game and about 600 greens on the season. I use most of them to keep players playing till 23y, except high stars that are fueled till retired (never more than 2 in a squad). I renew 3-4 players / season, 2 from youth academy. Need to play diamond to do it.

And yes, they are too greedy, I think.

But some players like me, don't know why, are without any kind of video since three days ago. For me, that's the end of my pattern, so the end of the game.
I see at FB, X and here, there are many with the shame issues but there's no explain anywhere. I don't contact the customers service anymore, they NEVER gave me a solution in time, as most a ridiculous compensation for the damage suffered.

Now I've installed an interesting golf game. My time to play is about 1 hour a day, so I can't keep two games at high level.

I abandoned 5 teams (once ago i played 3 at the same time, closed at home on pandemic time). If I abandon it, won't grew another.

Forgot to say that Nordeus makes about 10 cts every time we watch a a video, so watching 800/season means a 80€/month player. + or less.

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Originally Posted by TheBidan

Well, I move at 120% ending season. Level 80, 36 leagues an 32 cups. Buy Special manager 1 of each 2-3 seasons (complete till player only ended 2 times, adding 25 tokens to it. Tasks about training academy are a joke as the training academy has nonsense prices) and sometimes a monthly card.

But I watch almost ALL videos. That's many X2 in the game and about 600 greens on the season. I use most of them to keep players playing till 23y, except high stars that are fueled till retired (never more than 2 in a squad). I renew 3-4 players / season, 2 from youth academy. Need to play diamond to do it.

And yes, they are too greedy, I think.

But some players like me, don't know why, are without any kind of video since three days ago. For me, that's the end of my pattern, so the end of the game.
I see at FB, X and here, there are many with the shame issues but there's no explain anywhere. I don't contact the customers service anymore, they NEVER gave me a solution in time, as most a ridiculous compensation for the damage suffered.

Now I've installed an interesting golf game. My time to play is about 1 hour a day, so I can't keep two games at high level.

I abandoned 5 teams (once ago i played 3 at the same time, closed at home on pandemic time). If I abandon it, won't grew another.

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well, it's extremely difficult to keep a team @ 120%. You can reach 120 % plus during a season but then now they have even stolen the Vidoe Drill Event that already helped little but a little at least it did. These creators and developers know exactly what they are doing. In many ways, I deem them if not dishonest very tricky and deceptive in how they manipulate this game. My opinion is, that they actually purposefully do things to us and then pretend that they had or are having technical problems. However, they hardly ever make good on what they take away. In my view their greed causes them to be dishonest and deceitful. I believe they should divide this game in two categories. One where you pay a monthly fee say of $ 4.99 but get all resources free by watching videos and also they should make agreements with leagues and clubs and their advertisers and include them in the game, so they get money for the advertisers and pass the free resources to the players. The other gameplay should be free entry but you pay for everything and of course, reduced free resources and videos. Basically, pay to play and to win version.

Videos returned as accepting the new T&Conditions on the last tab.
But read them and see that you're opening your device to all the "partners", most of them known to sell combined data to everyone disposed to pay for it, no matter what data policy they have.
That's an too expensive price. Erase some partners and features seemed to work, but don't feel confident of it, because you can't trust pirates.
I finally used an account and a device just to play, no matter what data they take from there.