Hi guys,
What do you think of 3-3-2-1-1?
--------ST-------
-------AMC-----
---MC---MC---
DML-DMC-DMR
--DC--DC--DC
A guy is using this and scores a lot, how is this possible with such a defensive formation?
how would you play against it?
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Hi guys,
What do you think of 3-3-2-1-1?
--------ST-------
-------AMC-----
---MC---MC---
DML-DMC-DMR
--DC--DC--DC
A guy is using this and scores a lot, how is this possible with such a defensive formation?
how would you play against it?
Hello,
how to counter a 3-2-4-1?
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ML--MC--MC--MR
----DMC--DMC----
---DC--DC--DC---
Thank you.
Hi!
Thank you very much for this table! Has been invaluable for some of my big games - including 2 last associations games that gave me a win (and 50 tokens ;) for assoc.) vs slightly stronger opponent. Following this I even countered his counter on the fly and won from a goal down.
Thank you!
Hi guys, I have a really strong active opponent (110%) who always get solid results in league. He uses 4-3W-3 and probably uses long passes because he constantly get 78-80% passing accuracy.
I'm usally using 3-4-1-2. How would you recomend to counter his formation? I could go with 4 or 5 defenders - but both changes would lower my team quality from 111% to 108%. Also what additional tactical settings would you guys suggest?
4-5-1 V, start defensive + counter attacks and see how it's going, can switch to attacking and take off counter attack if you are dominating chances and good on possession. I would use mixed passing via flanks to start and potentially switch to mixed if you can see that wingers are not getting through.
Just bear in mind that he can switch from 4 3w-3 to 4-3n-3 and that would be a solid counter to 4-5-1, so be ready to swap to 4-1(dmc)-4-1.
I had a very similar scenario recently in association match (at 107me - 108 opponent) and it worked out 3-1 in my favour (away game with less possession). The table on first page is still very good and works (for me anyway).
Good luck
p.s: I have also won important matches with 1-3 players having yellow or red triangles. In fact the less the better but nevertheless, I prefer to put a player out of his position (as long as it's very close to where he normally plays) than put a weaker player who hardly sees a game.
Thanks for the info
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Always isolate the spaces, simply hit the flanks. 4-5-1 v or 4-3 centre-2 wide - 1 , or 3 - 2 - Fullbacks - 2 cm - 2 amc - 1 striker. Defensive. short , mixed.
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I mean In real football, do manager really counter with different method of formation setting? They may just use two or three formation. Keep it simple, and give it a thought
I've got a game coming up and the opponent has an odd formation. He has three narrow defenders, 3 wide defensive midfielders, 1 central midfielder, 2 wide attacking midfielders and 1 forward.
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AML--------------AMR
-----------MC-----------
DML----DMC----DMR
------DC--DC--DC-----
Hello managers, I have another query !!!
Morning game Champions League final ... after a titanic battle against a tanking in the Semifinals! (Global 6: 6, penalties 5-3).
I have another tanking awaiting me in the final! We face the group stage when 82% -83% and the tanking was over 100%. We ended up tying both parties.
0-0 Home.
1-1 Away.
Pass as group head for the visiting goal.
Any recommendation, suggestion or idea of how to face this training, I do not play with MC !, has not lost any game so far in UCL. as he has 7 * -8 * players in the attack.
All comments will be well received.
I leave reference image of his formation.
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Im Playing an Opponent tomorrow, he´s 111 % and im 86% he´s playing 4-4-2, i guess i need to play 3-4-1-2 or 4-5-1 V-Style, but what are the tactical settings? I know it will be hard.
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Against a favorite you need to defend and hence the dmc with down arrow. DMC with up arrow means while attacking he will become MC thus leaving u vurnerable on the counter. Ml/mr with up arrow means they become lw/rw while attacking thus essentially u got 4 people attacking. Short passing means possesion football, frustutating opponent and taking advantage of the mistakes. If u have pressing on high it means ur team will start defending the moment u lose the ball.
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I played in a Champions League Match yesterday, and i lost 1:5, because i only played with 3 Defenders, my Defense wasnt strong enough, i choosed the right Formation he was 85% and me 87%.
Today i play a 99% Opponent im 90% with 4-5-1 V Style Formation, i will try a 4-3N-3 Formation with the straight hard defense Tactics. AM i wrong?
And what is the Key when i am the favorit 91% me vs. 88% Opponent!?
Any counter formation for 3-2-2-2-1? I am 8% better than him.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...73c6c8e297.jpg
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The key is no matter what is to be fully prepared. Do not under estimate anyone. Wheather you are favorite or not always be prepared fully. Proper training and tactics. Because if un prepared, you could even lose to a lower level team.
As I have said before, 4-5-1V formation Is a very versatile formation. You can defend with it as well as attack with the right tactics. It is my fav and most formation thnx to which I have been undefeated last season !
What is the opponents formation ?
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Okay so in Champions league, i got this opponent who had a very weird formation
4-1-2-3
DL-DC-DC-DR
MC
AML AMR
ST ST ST
So for me I have never went up againt this formation and was skeptical about my formation! But good news is I one the game 6-1.
Here is what I used :
3-3-1-2-1
DC DC DC DOWN ARROW
DML DMC DMR DOWN ARROW
MC UP ARROW
AMC AMC UP ARROW
ST UP ARROW
MENTALITY
Defensive
Passes : threw the middle & short
Counter & pressin: ON
Hope this is useful to someone else !
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His midfield was almost inexistent hahaha.
I really don't understand this game. So today I played a match against my biggest rival in league. He is 78% and I am 89%. I invested in morale and every player was in superb morale, condition was around 90% for every player I also found counter formation for his formation in the counter formations 2.0 table and I used it. I watched the match and since it was a home game I got 13% possession bonus.
I also clicked every 20 minutes on bonuses in bonus tab in live match. And the result was 1-1. I even put everything on high in defence.. Is it random and bad luck or?
[QUOTE=nidzo;488392]I really don't understand this game. So today I played a match against my biggest rival in league. He is 78% and I am 89%. I invested in morale and every player was in superb morale, condition was around 90% for every player I also found counter formation for his formation in the counter formations 2.0 table and I used it. I watched the match and since it was a home game I got 13% possession bonus.
I also clicked every 20 minutes on bonuses in bonus tab in live match. And the result was 1-1. I even put everything on high in defence.. Is it random and bad luck or?[
Bad Luck. I lost one game last season. 0-1. Destroyed the team in the cup and champions league and I was 140 to 118. I gave up 9 goals all season,
3 league titles, 3 Cups, 2 CL
There are some other factors included in the simulations besides the formations that affects a match. Your team may have the greatest formation against an opponent playing with a she1et formation, but you can still have a "bad day" and there are some factors that includes it in game (I feel it could reduce something like 30-40% of your team quality).
Read more about it here: https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...op-eleven.html
Again the same today, i had 90% vs 78% oponnent. Great morale, great condition, good formation, and this is how it ended. I am not sure why I am losing this. Could it be that my team is too young (7-8 players are 18 years old)?
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No, that's not it. I don't mean to be offensive, but your orders are terrible. You are using both High pressing and M2M from the beginning, this is your death sentence in the 2nd half. Also, why Hard tackling? Why Short passes from the beginning? Why didn't you use counter-attacks if you have possession on flanks?
And one more thing: if you know for sure that opponent is going to attack through the middle, always use 3 DC + DMC.
How was I supposed to know that :(
Basically I read what the info about instructions said and used stuff that got me defensive bonus :/
Should it all be mixed then? Should I be using counters?
My next oponnent is playing 4-1-3W-2
I am gonna go like this 4-4-2
mentality normal
focus passing mixed
passing style mixed
force counter on
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press high
tackling normal
marking style zonal
trap off
Does that look better? Also my left wing is AML, should I putt him ML or AML?
It does look better. You see, orders mostly depend on current situation on the field, not the formation. Don't trust anyone on the forum who tells you exactly how you should set them. Those "advisors" don't know a sh1t about this game. It's actually a good test: you are telling me exact orders for the formation? Get out of here! =]
Read the descriptions carefully. High pressing and m2m increase your defence efforts, but also increase condition loss (30-35% more CondLoss from each; 160-170% total CL if you use both). Use them only in important games: as your players get tired they start to perform worse. Plus, less condition after a match means less training, means lower quality for your team. Use both of those together only to hold for the last few minutes of an important match. Be careful to use even one from the beginning, and if you do that, it's probably a good idea to activate Condition bonus.
M2m and High pressing works differently, but I don't have exact information about this, only my own indistinct guesses.
About passes. Start with Normal and look the Statistics screen after 10-15 minutes. If % of completed passes is low, use Short. If it's high, then use Long. What is "low" and "high" you should decide for yourself =]
Be careful with Force c-attacks, it costs possession. I rarely use it if I don't have advantage in possession. And I switch it off if AM tells me it doesn't work.
Always keep an eye on Statistics during the game. Simulation means nothing, Statistics is everything.
Again me, and again post match depression. Still don't understand the game :(
I played against a guy who plays a really weird:
4-1-4-1
DL - DC -DC - DC - DR - DMC - AML - AMC - AMC - AMR - FC.
How do you counter that formation?
I tried 4-5-1 V style and lost the match..
Team mentality: Normal
Passing: Mixed
Focus: mixed
Counter: No
Pressure: low
tackling: normal
marking: man to man
offside trap: off
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You didn't play 4-5-1V, you played 4-2mc-3w-1. Against teams who play on counter-attacks (like this one) DMC is a great help. Especially if your opponent has AMC (yours had two!). Also, in this game, exactly as in the RL football, accidents happen all the time. You can do everything right and still get beaten.
Your statistics was better than his. Not that better as it should be, but still better. It was was simply an unlucky result plus a mistake with DMC.
I like your orders; M2M is probably better against short passes (your opponent used them) than High pressing which I believe is better against Long passes, but I'm not 100% sure about it (indistinct guesses, remember? =]); if I have 87%+ possession I usually switch to Long passes, but only if I need to score.
Keep going, you are on the right way! Unexpected losing is unavoidable part of this game.
Thanks for the help Toxcatl. I did play 4-5-1 V style, the screenshot was after the game when I already adjusted tactics for a weaker opponent. I saw he has 2 AMCs so I even thought about 2 DMCs but figures since my DMC was strong I'll leave the 4-5-1.
I guessed I did good and was unlucky with random, I am just disappointed that I always have 10% bonus and watch the matches, watch all the free videos for training (hell I got from 81% to 96% overall in 6 days with just training these 18 year olds) and then lose to an inactive player. I'll go with same instructions next match and attacking instead of neutral. If I don't score untill 70th minute I'll go hard attacking and long balls.
Thanks again for your help, really appreciated!
This is how counter-formations look these days xD
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He lost 5-1, but there was a big quality difference.
Am confused i dont know how to follow it. Can someone please explain or give more instructions.
Damn, he tried to literally counter every position on the field.
By the way my agony keeps on going. I believe there is something I am missing but don't know what. Again I made sure I had 10% of all bonuses, every each player in superb morale. I got 5% bonus from full stadium, I attended a match to get 8% extra possesion bonus. Tried clicking all the bonuses while in game and lost a game to an inactive user who didn't even watch the match. Asistant says Idrissi (his goalkeeper) was too good for our players. What the hell his goalie was 72% and my players are way better then that. My goalie is 97% and still conceeded 2 goals.
I understand losing a match is normal every now and then but I am losing every other match and I really feel I should be winning those.. Heck I only win matches where I am 30% or 40% better. And the worst thing today was, I was winning 1-0, game kicks me out of the game for server issues I manage to get back at 75th minute and i am losing 2-1.. I was so so mad.
I have a cup match in 5 minutes against a weaker opponent, if I am out of the cup I think that is it for me for this game.. =[ (and I was so excited about my 18.3 year old team..)
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Nidzo, damn, I'm sorry =[ I really don't know why you have this curse on you. There is a lot of people complaining about troll results. Maybe it's because your team is really young? Maybe young players perform less stable? I have never heard about such thing, but I just don't have an explanation.
Btw, against this formation (classic narrow diamond, ND) you should use a 3n-dmc-* formation.
I'm gonna write a PM to you, I kinda feel responsible and want your team to get better =]
What exactly you don't understand?