Table of Counter Formations v2.0 - Which formation to use?

[texhorn60]

[QUOTE=nidzo;488392]I really don't understand this game. So today I played a match against my biggest rival in league. He is 78% and I am 89%. I invested in morale and every player was in superb morale, condition was around 90% for every player I also found counter formation for his formation in the counter formations 2.0 table and I used it. I watched the match and since it was a home game I got 13% possession bonus.

I also clicked every 20 minutes on bonuses in bonus tab in live match. And the result was 1-1. I even put everything on high in defence.. Is it random and bad luck or?[
Bad Luck. I lost one game last season. 0-1. Destroyed the team in the cup and champions league and I was 140 to 118. I gave up 9 goals all season,

3 league titles, 3 Cups, 2 CL

[Jean.Monico]

I really don't understand this game. So today I played a match against my biggest rival in league. He is 78% and I am 89%. I invested in morale and every player was in superb morale, condition was around 90% for every player I also found counter formation for his formation in the counter formations 2.0 table and I used it. I watched the match and since it was a home game I got 13% possession bonus.

I also clicked every 20 minutes on bonuses in bonus tab in live match. And the result was 1-1. I even put everything on high in defence.. Is it random and bad luck or?[
Bad Luck. I lost one game last season. 0-1. Destroyed the team in the cup and champions league and I was 140 to 118. I gave up 9 goals all season,

3 league titles, 3 Cups, 2 CL

There are some other factors included in the simulations besides the formations that affects a match. Your team may have the greatest formation against an opponent playing with a she1et formation, but you can still have a "bad day" and there are some factors that includes it in game (I feel it could reduce something like 30-40% of your team quality).

Read more about it here: https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...op-eleven.html

[nidzo]

Again the same today, i had 90% vs 78% oponnent. Great morale, great condition, good formation, and this is how it ended. I am not sure why I am losing this. Could it be that my team is too young (7-8 players are 18 years old)?

[Toxcatl]

Again the same today, i had 90% vs 78% oponnent. Great morale, great condition, good formation, and this is how it ended. I am not sure why I am losing this. Could it be that my team is too young (7-8 players are 18 years old)?

No, that's not it. I don't mean to be offensive, but your orders are terrible. You are using both High pressing and M2M from the beginning, this is your death sentence in the 2nd half. Also, why Hard tackling? Why Short passes from the beginning? Why didn't you use counter-attacks if you have possession on flanks?
And one more thing: if you know for sure that opponent is going to attack through the middle, always use 3 DC + DMC.

[Toxcatl]

You didn't play 4-5-1V, you played 4-2mc-3w-1. Against teams who play on counter-attacks (like this one) DMC is a great help. Especially if your opponent has AMC (yours had two!). Also, in this game, exactly as in the RL football, accidents happen all the time. You can do everything right and still get beaten.
Your statistics was better than his. Not that better as it should be, but still better. It was was simply an unlucky result plus a mistake with DMC.
I like your orders; M2M is probably better against short passes (your opponent used them) than High pressing which I believe is better against Long passes, but I'm not 100% sure about it (indistinct guesses, remember? =]); if I have 87%+ possession I usually switch to Long passes, but only if I need to score.

Keep going, you are on the right way! Unexpected losing is unavoidable part of this game.

[nidzo]

You didn't play 4-5-1V, you played 4-2mc-3w-1. Against teams who play on counter-attacks (like this one) DMC is a great help. Especially if your opponent has AMC (yours had two!). Also, in this game, exactly as in the RL football, accidents happen all the time. You can do everything right and still get beaten.
Your statistics was better than his. Not that better as it should be, but still better. It was was simply an unlucky result plus a mistake with DMC.
I like your orders; M2M is probably better against short passes (your opponent used them) than High pressing which I believe is better against Long passes, but I'm not 100% sure about it (indistinct guesses, remember? =]); if I have 87%+ possession I usually switch to Long passes, but only if I need to score.

Keep going, you are on the right way! Unexpected losing is unavoidable part of this game.

Thanks for the help Toxcatl. I did play 4-5-1 V style, the screenshot was after the game when I already adjusted tactics for a weaker opponent. I saw he has 2 AMCs so I even thought about 2 DMCs but figures since my DMC was strong I'll leave the 4-5-1.

I guessed I did good and was unlucky with random, I am just disappointed that I always have 10% bonus and watch the matches, watch all the free videos for training (hell I got from 81% to 96% overall in 6 days with just training these 18 year olds) and then lose to an inactive player. I'll go with same instructions next match and attacking instead of neutral. If I don't score untill 70th minute I'll go hard attacking and long balls.

Thanks again for your help, really appreciated!

[Toxcatl]

This is how counter-formations look these days xD



He lost 5-1, but there was a big quality difference.

[nidzo]

This is how counter-formations look these days xD

He lost 5-1, but there was a big quality difference.

Damn, he tried to literally counter every position on the field.

By the way my agony keeps on going. I believe there is something I am missing but don't know what. Again I made sure I had 10% of all bonuses, every each player in superb morale. I got 5% bonus from full stadium, I attended a match to get 8% extra possesion bonus. Tried clicking all the bonuses while in game and lost a game to an inactive user who didn't even watch the match. Asistant says Idrissi (his goalkeeper) was too good for our players. What the hell his goalie was 72% and my players are way better then that. My goalie is 97% and still conceeded 2 goals.

I understand losing a match is normal every now and then but I am losing every other match and I really feel I should be winning those.. Heck I only win matches where I am 30% or 40% better. And the worst thing today was, I was winning 1-0, game kicks me out of the game for server issues I manage to get back at 75th minute and i am losing 2-1.. I was so so mad.

I have a cup match in 5 minutes against a weaker opponent, if I am out of the cup I think that is it for me for this game.. =[ (and I was so excited about my 18.3 year old team..)

[Toxcatl]

Nidzo, damn, I'm sorry =[ I really don't know why you have this curse on you. There is a lot of people complaining about troll results. Maybe it's because your team is really young? Maybe young players perform less stable? I have never heard about such thing, but I just don't have an explanation.
Btw, against this formation (classic narrow diamond, ND) you should use a 3n-dmc-* formation.
I'm gonna write a PM to you, I kinda feel responsible and want your team to get better =]

Am confused i dont know how to follow it. Can someone please explain or give more instructions.

What exactly you don't understand?

[Jean.Monico]

Damn, he tried to literally counter every position on the field.
By the way my agony keeps on going. I believe there is something I am missing but don't know what.

Hahaha.

Nizdo, don't worry, dude. And don't get down!
In the screenshot u've shown, 451V has plenty of advantage against 41212ND. Some kind of you would win 4 in 5 matches.
of course, luck exists here and what i believe you are "missing" (I have no evidences for telling u that) is some hidden things in the game which include some type of "crisis" to your team and make u have really strange results. This sort of strange results used to last 2 days for me on previous version. At this beginning of season, I had 4 days of strange matches (i was getting insane with it!) and i feel it's getting fine again now