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This is an example of avoiding slow or medium trainers.
When you see the auctions list, do a sorting in values.
I was interesting to buy this MC player but his value in list was lower than older players.
There was a bidding war for him so I couldn't have the chance to buy and test him, so I drop it.
Gentilio the ST must be a fast trainer.
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at max quality 164 the max price must be 112m.
I have not find a player with 113m value.
Hello nikolgiorgros.I started playing the top eleven and I do not know what to do you can tell me I'm level 1
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Read this. It might help you
and read carefully the summary. #579Quote:
Originally Posted by Cosmin123
I have instructions for first levels.
https://forum.topeleven.com/tutorial...tml#post500463
and farm greens every day :p
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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
you are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rizla
Checking my files back to my LV29, I can see players with 112 M'
(1 token :p)
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(2 tokens)
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but became 113 M' after training, so actually next lv.
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* edit my summary
You keep record of your transfers? Damn you're good!
And i thought i was dedicated!
yeah
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No comment. You are crazy!
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Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
Μasterpiece the exact word...Hats off!
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Hi i am a beginner and why all of this guys worth like 100M in my game people only worth 1M or so. And i can't power train my guys how to do that. And how i can gain Token and green packs easily?
read the summary
https://forum.topeleven.com/tutorial...tml#post500463
and other threads about training and more.
Hello @nikolgiorgos
Again, Kudos for your immense work on educating the rest of us, and guiding us as best you can, it is really beautiful.
Sorry if this question is too obvious, I just want to make sure I follow your instructions to the letter.
In the list of values and salary earlier in this post, you type the Q of the player.
My understanding is that 5 stars should be the 80-99% quality.
But for some lover levels you talk about the Q being much lower than 80-99%
But maybe you are talking about the other quality, the one in paranthesis after the % quality?
Again, I apologize for a potential stupid question.
Hope you have to help me understand.
well yes, in the summary
https://forum.topeleven.com/tutorial...tml#post500463
I don't have the % quality but the total q number.
In lower levels, 4* players have little lower prices (about as the 5* players of previous level).
P90 LV52
At lv 52 the max sell value is 128.900 - like previous season.
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But it's interesting to see a little about the management of fast trainers.
I bought Robinho before 5 seasons.
I focused in training his white skills - but not too much.
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Now at his 22, after 5 seasons of training, playing in games and winning some Motm titles (plus winning 3 times the First League scorer + 30% at Finishing),
he has very low grey skills.
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so I trained him for those and he did really well for his age and quality, with 2-4% skills for -15% condition loss
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So nik you 're changing strategy.
You said to keep the fast trainers from 18-21 years and then sell them.
So now it's better to keep them till 23 y.o. ?
Yes, we have to evolve as the game is changing.
For example Academy players, recommended players, scout players aren't reliable to build a team because as I said in another thread, they are
Not in the right time
not in the right position
not in the right quality
not in the right price .
What is left are young fast trainers and negotiations.
Nego does not exist anymore and has as consequence to raise a lot the price (and bidding wars) for auction players,
I usually was keeping the players till 21 y.o. but as you can see the training also changed from old times, when a player above 21 was loosing a lot in gaining.
So the new strategy is buy young fast trainers, add positions and special ability, build their white skills high the first 2-3 seasons, then mix training (the whites anyway will increasing from the games and the grey decreasing from level up) and after 21 y.o., train the greys to pump up the general quality.
Mutants has no significant effect anyway after some internal programming the last period but quality and general quality still matters.
So keeping a player for 6-7 (at 23, stop invest greens for extra training) seasons decreasing the cost of greens to add positions and sa and you are saving tokens from auctions.
I agree and I do pretty much the same, at least for offensive guys who also get a lot of MOTM. But you can keep them even longer. 22-25 is the same training speed, so you could basically train them quite some greys and let them play up to 27-28.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
By training greys you can get an offensive player up to 160% no problem when he is 25 years old and when his whites were already high through good training in younger years and also many MOTM. I just did it with a player, I only needed around 300 green packs to get him from 125 to 170 %... (And I did mixed drills, not even only greys, which would probably have saved me like 100 more packs, they were really low.)
Even then, this was a lower amount than I would need for a new 3 star player to train him first time and get nice white skills.
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Finally I got a new max value, 129 M'.
I saw that previous season when a new player I got with 128.900 became 7* and 129 M'.
I have a DMC-MC-AMC with play-maker sa which is old and I need replacement.
So I found him in the market.
Young with 2 positions and high q so I had to pay some extra :p
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I chose a drill with some low skills he had.
need 49 greens to add the play-maker sa
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Then I chose another drill to add the extra AMC position.
The result was the same , 49 greens again.
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Then some sets to add skills, mostly attacking because usually playing as MC or AMC.
4 skills per one green, good.
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The thing with him is that he had high quality, almost 6* and not some skills low % so to use the relative drills to add extra.
A 70% q, 4* player , would need 35 greens per extra sa or position but of course more greens to add quality so it's about the same.
Players like him have almost all the skills white and balance.
like this case
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He looks 128 M' but actually he has 129 M' value.
That's why the 1st bid is 130 M'
The price of tokens (26) is still high.
Few days later, you can find a player like him , without the extra sa, with 5-6 tokens.
But needs extra greens to add 2 positions and sa.
First of all I want to thank you nikol for all the commitment and effort you've put into this.
I'm new to the game and a lot of what's explained here makes sense. I believe the market value of a player must indeed play a role in its potential.
But there's is something that has been bothering me about the ratio discussion (or TR factor as you've said on the 1st post you made back then).
A 5* star player who has a value of 50M is obviously going to be better than a 5* star 49M player.
But why on earth would a player with 50M value / 1M wage be better than a 50M/ 1.2M wage player?
Don't pay attention to salary, only value.
Salary increases by quality, 2 players have the same salary
if they have the same quality,no matter the age or value.
@ Rizla is right
Focus on Value and hidden value (what is behind 50,xx or 110,xx)
I focus only in value. I don't remember a time when I looked in salary
Understood, thanks for the help and for all the contribution. From now on I'm just going to pay attention to a player's market value.
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İ think İ found my FT . İ took +1 sp per %14.25 condition. İ done this 9 times and ı took +1 sp every train section. This player is from my Academy
In every third training set, he must gain 2 points (or else, he is not so fast- 1st class).
You must use attacking drills, like Shooting technique .
I think your player price is a bit low for a FT. It should be 6.5M. Anyway, Giorgos knows it better than me.Quote:
Originally Posted by EREN5847
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Hello fellow players. I have just started Top Eleven again, i played it maybe 5-7 years ago. Now started with my friends, and asking some help. I got to lvl two easily and my team looks like that (up). Any tips for what should i do. Should i sell few of those 1mil players to get one fast trainer what to develop with my greens? If we just look salary Ritaferra and Jullich could be FT(?) but their values are lower than they should. I also have one 20y old 980k value in subs so i could sell that to if needed money.
as the market is now, you can't find easily cheap 5* players.
Invest greens to 4-5 players (like your MC, AML,ST, GK, DR).
Try to find from next Monday some players.
You need a young ft AMR.
Hi guys, I would like to know if the method (Page 58 of this guide) for finding faster trainers is applicable for 3 star or 4 star players?
Yes but consider the 3*-4* players value as from the previous (lower) level.
Is the level 6 stats for fast trainer still valid?
P92 LV54
More players in auctions with 129 M'
But the subject of this post is to see how long can we keep an ex-young fast trainer
Here a very good player I have, ROBINHO , day 1 of the season.
Last season I managed to keep him in high q, 118% at the end, without spending much extra greens.
As he is the f-k taker of my team, he earned some % from motm prizes.
The good thing with ROBINHO is that he has some very low grey skills so I can take the advantage to train him with some drills.
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he did pretty well. 3% per set it's not bad. A young fast trainer with this q can gain 4%.
So it's worthy to invest some extra greens to train him and use him for one more season in my front line.
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Now let's see another case.
I use KAKA mostly as MC.
The problem with having those positions is that almost all his skills are white and high.
So it's not possible to find enough drills to train his low grey skills and gain in total quality.
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2.6 per set is not so good so I won't invest extra greens for training KAKA
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P92 LV54 b
So I bought 2 new players this season, with 129 M'
I gave the first one extra sa (f-k) and a new name ADRIANO, to replace ROBINHO from the next season
and the other one extra MC position and renamed him RUI COSTA to replace KAKA from this season.
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Even if their value is the same, 129 M' as the selling value 129.100'
ADRIANO is a little faster than COSTA
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So you only find out if it's an FT when you train it after buying it? but what if it's not an FT what do you do with it?
Till LV16 you can spot easily the faster trainers.
After that, not so easy so you must use the sorting of quality in auctions list (I mentioned in previous posts).
At least you can avoid the slow trainers (example #841)
What you can do with a 2nd class ft depends from your team management.
My strategy is to keep 8-9 ft, train them from (about) 100% q to 120% q at the end of the season and start over again the new season.
Then complete the roster with players from auctions or scout or academy (or nego at old times) without investing extra greens for them.
A 2nd class trainer still can improve from 100% to 120%. Just need few extra greens, for example the 1st class needs 75, the 2nd needs 95-100.
Ok, 20-25 more is not a big deal.
It's getting harder when you want to add an extra position + sa too
or to keep him till his 24 y.o. or to make him +8*
So I will keep ADRIANO above (using the same training system as ROBINHO) , till his 24 and sell R.COSTA at his 21 y.o.
I will always sell them and keep searching for a FT...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Reis
