Training mini guide and tips - The day after

[iptables]

Niko, can you pin this topic as it's important, if not a problem ofc
It contains the insides of the actual numbers in training, not just stats.
And a quick question here :

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Should I work more on his Creativity, Heading and Dribbling, instead of Speed, Shooting and Fitness, what do you think ?

[nikolgiorgos]

You should aim for them but of course the others will increase too.
But next season (one day ) he will be 55% and 22 y.o. ?
hmm, don't know

[iptables]

Same ( don't know ).
Will see how is he performing. 5* already.
Btw, I'll be glad to see a video of yours, tutorial kind
That, ofc, when you have the spare time and mood

[Der_Ryan_M]

Do player skills still matter? Too many bad results vs even % opponents who don't train their players for me in the last weeks. This was different before, I used to win these games more often and scored a lot more goals.

I think its better to invest in overall quality now over player skills, period. What do you guys think?

[nikolgiorgos]

This season I got a replacement for RVN
Robinho
I trained his white skills to that and now stop.
I will continue only with balance drills and next season when he 'll drop 20%, I will make some training with defending drills (like Press the play) so to raise again his quality without spending much greens.

[nikolgiorgos]

and here four players I have with high white skills
2 defenders and two attackers.
And here I stop the training with "white" drills.
There is no reason to spend extra greens.
If a player with those skills cannot perform well, then something else is wrong.

[nikolgiorgos]

I agree.
A player with high white skills but not high avg quality can be a potato in normal official games (not in asso games vs same quality players).
I had a great player for many seasons, with some "mutant" skills.
Last season he was 91% but playing vs higher quality opponent defenders in Cup and CL wasn't performing as something special.
I got an offer for 5 tokens from an opponent and sold him.
He got 7s in his games, 1 goal in 4 games and as I checked now, he sold him - not anymore in his team.

[Der_Ryan_M]

Yeah I agree 100%. Before I thought assos were random. But lately, my "mutants", even though they are only 5 stars perform really well in assos and I win almost every game there.

But in normal gameplay? I mean I trained 2 players to 130% start of the season with white skills between 180 and 240% and they really struggle. Someone in my league trained his team to 140%, with, what I would call bad skills for these players. His white skill average is about the same if not lower than mine, just his overall quality % is 25% higher. He absolutely crushes through the league, while I struggle a lot vs teams of the same quality.

So these 25% overall quality seem to count a lot and the white skills a lot less. Already 11 points separating him from me. I think with old T11 versions this would have been a more even battle for sure. In the future I will continue to train players, but I will start with higher overall guys (maybe negotiations) and burn my 300-400 rests I invest per player there, and create a more even guy with maybe 140-150% overall quality at the end.

[Der_Ryan_M]

So just to show what I'm talking about I'll let you compare these 6 players. First 3 are from my team, second three are from the team I was talking about. I left out the overall rating on purpose... Would you think that there is a 11 point gap after 12 league games between these 2 teams as well as +33 goal difference from the second team?









I mean, don't get me wrong, I know he invested a lot into his team and I'm sure that he deserves to win the title as these are good players and the white skills are also quite high, even though they are not trained in a very good way, in my opinion.

I just want to point out, that in the current state of the game, it might not be worth to start training with a lower overall player and invest your greens to get a high gap between white and grey skills, if you want to maximize your potential in the league, cup and CL and don't manipulate draws.

[nikolgiorgos]

We know that the devs can tweak the game engine in mysterious ways - lol
(like the first demo of the game with a fix result or reducing the domination scores vs abandoned teams or the beat-ability vs Mourinho's team or at events games).
So a scenario is in the 3/4 official competitions they reduced the effect of individual skills (white-greys) but kept them in FA games or there the skills affect more because we have usually equal teams and background with present managers (I 'm talking about top100 - platinum) .
So if you go for this, keep pushing whites, if you 're going for official competitions and secondary the asso games, go for more balance.