Special Ability - Useless or useful?

[Armin Bib]

what bothers me about this game is how a team that has lot less stars than you is always top of the league and never loses a game

what formation do you use?
this game is not only buying players, you will need good tactics as well

[Juan Fernandez]

Midfield
Playmaker - Useless - These sorts of players are *supposed* to take on the kinds of roles such as David Silva or any playmaker in world football. But they simply do not as their assist ratios are rubbish. They are, however, a yellow card magnet as the only thing they are good at is passing and are prone to several yellow cards and the occasional red. If you are the kind of manager who likes to play flat formations then this may be useful with short passing, but usually the fact that they don't score that much makes this ability useless. I had 2 playmakers last season and all they did was get yellow cards. This season I have 2 more playmakers and I get the same thing, they get more yellow cards then they are scoring/assisting.


I have to agree with u on this one. All 3 of my playmakers always get yellow cards or red ones sometimes.
This one is good and also a mid/fast trainer


This 2 so so.


And my shadow striker just got back from injury. A mid/fast trainer.

[Narf]

Dribbler SA is NOT useless, see my thread that I posted on that topic some time ago:

http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...a-useless.html

[ppturano]

We wanted to give it a try, give to ST a shadow strikers ability

this is the result:
13 games played, 24 goals!!!!

[PricopGeorgeCătălin]

Moved to 'Tutorials and Guides' also is now here too: http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...ls-guides.html

Great job dv8r!

[Joey Choy]

i find defensive wall very useful for defenders. tend to clear everything

[Thalyn]

Hi,

It's shame, this thead talk about Useless/ Usefull only.
No one SA is useless when we know to use it (especially when we have a player with double positions)!

This thread would be very useful with some explanations about SA/Position and Formation!
And i think lot of people loves football/soccer, but few knows tactics (just read this thread to have proof).

In your squad, I'd say you need at least.
x1 one-on-one stopper
x2 aerial defenders
x1 defensive wall
x2 corner specialists
x2 free kick takers
x1 one-on-one scorer

Optional (not important)
x1 shadow striker

Depend of your formation and tactic!!

For example with defenders :
- 3 DC : Aerial defenders or defensive wall. That depend of the opponent team, because we talking of "defenders" :
"Defensive wall" is useful against "one on one" players for example, or in case of a short passes tactic (opponent).
"Aerial defender" is usefull against "direct passes" tactic and against tall players.


- With DMR & DML + 2/3 DC :
DMx => defensive wall (because it's the role of this positions!)
DC => Aerial defenders

etc...

Before to say this SA is usefull or useless, it's important to know the "good" abilities" for the "good positions" (knowledge tactic of football).
=> Wikipedia is your true friend.




GK : just a question of propability.

"One-on-one" can happen during the season (often).
Penalties is much more rare, except in "Cups". One qualif can be win with good "penalty takers" and "Penalty stopper".
I think the answer is pretty simple!
- Penalty stopper : Only for Cups.
- One-on-one stopper : League (team-type player)


Aerial defender : DC only (and DMC if possible)
Defensive walll : DR/DL and DMR/DML only (and MR/ML in case where the player have 2 positions: DMR/MR for example)
Or... if you have only 3 DC (no DR/DL nor DMR/DML), it will be good to have 2 "aerial defenders" and 1 "defensive wall", or i prefer in this case : 0 "defensive wall" and at least 2 "aerial defender" (just my opinion).

Playmaker : MC or DMC with defense tactic. It's very interesting for a player MC/AMC (but very rare) in "MC position" (and Red arrows) in a offensive tactic.
Dribbler : AML/AMR only (it's the only ability usefull for this position and for the team),
Shadow striker : AMC only.

Strikers, same logic as GK
One-on-one scorer : Usefull for the entire Season (all competitions).
Penalty taker : Pretty usefull in "Cups" (if this player isn't the best of the team => Enter before the penalty kicks).

Free kick specialist: Others players. For this ability i prefer use DMx/Mx and keep my strikers and AMx near the goal.
Corner specialist: Others players. For this ability i prefer to use Dx/DMx and keep my strikers, AMx and Mx ready to catch/shoot the ball.


I saw many teams with only 2* have a good palmares because players have good abilities/positions.
I saw many "Big" teams 8-9* (and their managers crying on the forum) without abilities or bad abilities/positions lose against the "small" teams (with good abilities/positions).

SA is Useless ?
No!
Is it VERY usefull ?
No! ... it's useful only when abilities are adequate in fonction of positon and tactic.


In your squad, the logic say you need at least (on the field).
x1 one-on-one stopper (L Cup and CL)
x1 Penalty stopper (Cup and CL after qualif and when the match is equal before the penalties shootout).
but i'm ok to say, a one-on-one stopper is most useful for a entire season.

(at least) x1 aerial defenders : for DC.
(at most) x2 defensive wall (each side MR/DML or DR/DL ... in case of 3DC only : it's very dangerous to use "wall defenders" because they are "central" => faults, lost interception... is very dangerous in center field).
For only 3DC (without DMx/DL/DR), finaly i prefer to have 3 "aerial defenders" (no risk and most efficient) or no abilities at all.

x2 dribbler : AMR/AML only (if you use it of course).
Ok for an AMC but only if you use a tactic with 2 AMC at least without AMR/AML (other AMC will be "shadow striker").
For 3 AMC, i prefer use 1 "shadow striker" and 2 "dribblers".

x1 one-on-one scorer:
If you have 2 strikers (or more), 1 one-on-one is enough.

Not optional (very important)
(at least and at more) x1 shadow striker : AMC (if you have an AMC of course),
(at least and at more) x1 Playmaker : MC (or DMC only with defensive tactic)... Or Mx if you don't use MC.

(Optional) x2 corner specialists (on each side, but i don't know if the feet is really useful in T11)
(Optional) x2 free kick takers (in my experience the most complete player is a very good free kick takers, for example, no need to have a poor player with this ability).
For these 2 abilities, the most efficient and economic is : Have a player(s) in controle with his 2 feet.
(Optional but very userful when we need it.. in Cup for example) x5 Penalty takers.


cya, and have fun

[herdo]

Hi,

It's shame, this thead talk about Useless/ Usefull only.
No one SA is useless when we know to use it (especially when we have a player with double positions)!

This thread would be very useful with some explanations about SA/Position and Formation!
And i think lot of people loves football/soccer, but few knows tactics (just read this thread to have proof).




Depend of your formation and tactic!!

For example with defenders :
- 3 DC : Aerial defenders or defensive wall. That depend of the opponent team, because we talking of "defenders" :
"Defensive wall" is useful against "one on one" players for example, or in case of a short passes tactic (opponent).
"Aerial defender" is usefull against "direct passes" tactic and against tall players.


- With DMR & DML + 2/3 DC :
DMx => defensive wall (because it's the role of this positions!)
DC => Aerial defenders

etc...

Before to say this SA is usefull or useless, it's important to know the "good" abilities" for the "good positions" (knowledge tactic of football).
=> Wikipedia is your true friend.




GK : just a question of propability.

"One-on-one" can happen during the season (often).
Penalties is much more rare, except in "Cups". One qualif can be win with good "penalty takers" and "Penalty stopper".
I think the answer is pretty simple!
- Penalty stopper : Only for Cups.
- One-on-one stopper : League (team-type player)


Aerial defender : DC only (and DMC if possible)
Defensive walll : DR/DL and DMR/DML only (and MR/ML in case where the player have 2 positions: DMR/MR for example)
Or... if you have only 3 DC (no DR/DL nor DMR/DML), it will be good to have 2 "aerial defenders" and 1 "defensive wall", or i prefer in this case : 0 "defensive wall" and at least 2 "aerial defender" (just my opinion).

Playmaker : MC or DMC with defense tactic. It's very interesting for a player MC/AMC (but very rare) in "MC position" (and Red arrows) in a offensive tactic.
Dribbler : AML/AMR only (it's the only ability usefull for this position and for the team),
Shadow striker : AMC only.

Strikers, same logic as GK
One-on-one scorer : Usefull for the entire Season (all competitions).
Penalty taker : Pretty usefull in "Cups" (if this player isn't the best of the team => Enter before the penalty kicks).

Free kick specialist: Others players. For this ability i prefer use DMx/Mx and keep my strikers and AMx near the goal.
Corner specialist: Others players. For this ability i prefer to use Dx/DMx and keep my strikers, AMx and Mx ready to catch/shoot the ball.


I saw many teams with only 2* have a good palmares because players have good abilities/positions.
I saw many "Big" teams 8-9* (and their managers crying on the forum) without abilities or bad abilities/positions lose against the "small" teams (with good abilities/positions).

SA is Useless ?
No!
Is it VERY usefull ?
No! ... it's useful only when abilities are adequate in fonction of positon and tactic.


In your squad, the logic say you need at least (on the field).
x1 one-on-one stopper (L Cup and CL)
x1 Penalty stopper (Cup and CL after qualif and when the match is equal before the penalties shootout).
but i'm ok to say, a one-on-one stopper is most useful for a entire season.

(at least) x1 aerial defenders : for DC.
(at most) x2 defensive wall (each side MR/DML or DR/DL ... in case of 3DC only : it's very dangerous to use "wall defenders" because they are "central" => faults, lost interception... is very dangerous in center field).
For only 3DC (without DMx/DL/DR), finaly i prefer to have 3 "aerial defenders" (no risk and most efficient) or no abilities at all.

x2 dribbler : AMR/AML only (if you use it of course).
Ok for an AMC but only if you use a tactic with 2 AMC at least without AMR/AML (other AMC will be "shadow striker").
For 3 AMC, i prefer use 1 "shadow striker" and 2 "dribblers".

x1 one-on-one scorer:
If you have 2 strikers (or more), 1 one-on-one is enough.

Not optional (very important)
(at least and at more) x1 shadow striker : AMC (if you have an AMC of course),
(at least and at more) x1 Playmaker : MC (or DMC only with defensive tactic)... Or Mx if you don't use MC.

(Optional) x2 corner specialists (on each side, but i don't know if the feet is really useful in T11)
(Optional) x2 free kick takers (in my experience the most complete player is a very good free kick takers, for example, no need to have a poor player with this ability).
For these 2 abilities, the most efficient and economic is : Have a player(s) in controle with his 2 feet.
(Optional but very userful when we need it.. in Cup for example) x5 Penalty takers.


cya, and have fun

So your saying the players position contributes to how good the SA will be, right you are lol :S TBH the more i play this game the more i think that all the SA are just there as a cosmetic thing. I had a striker with free kick SA, he scored a **** load in season 2/3 but the higher up i got the less freekicks he scored. Ive also now got a MC with free kick SA who mainly "sails" them wide into the crowd and a MC with PK speciallist who today "ballooned" one into the crowd. Before you say its because its its MCs ive got with free kick, penalty kick SA. why let them have it if it doesnt work? also real players, from all positions can be good free kick, penalty takers.

Youve read to deep into this game, when its clear its not that sophisticated...........

[Mr.Bean Vietnam]

I read the Wiki of top eleven at Training - Top Eleven Official Wiki.
The Defensive Wall SA is not useful to stop the attack (neither the short pass nor one on one) as I though. It's just for the free kick.
And basically, SA is useful in certain situations by adding another star to the player for that oppotunity..

[D3thf0rge13]

Shadow Striker for ST is useless?