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    I play this evening an opponent playing 4-2DMC-AML-AMR-ST-ST. The possession stats of the team looked normal in the previous league matches (worst possession ratio was 43-57), so I don't think that not having a ML, MC, MR (unconfirmed case) leads to an illegal formation.

    The formation looks like a variation of the hexagon, so I will try a 4-4-2 against it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Rath View Post
    I play this evening an opponent playing 4-2DMC-AML-AMR-ST-ST. The possession stats of the team looked normal in the previous league matches (worst possession ratio was 43-57), so I don't think that not having a ML, MC, MR (unconfirmed case) leads to an illegal formation.

    The formation looks like a variation of the hexagon, so I will try a 4-4-2 against it.
    Post screenshots from your match, if you can, and if he uses the formation vs you. Looking at past results (that you didn't watch) is not conclusive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razz View Post
    Post screenshots from your match, if you can, and if he uses the formation vs you. Looking at past results (that you didn't watch) is not conclusive.
    He is correct. Not having ML/MC/MR is not illegal as I have also played against teams without one and no possession penalty was given


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    Quote Originally Posted by dv8r View Post
    He is correct. Not having ML/MC/MR is not illegal as I have also played against teams without one and no possession penalty was given
    Please explain why this formation is illegal then:
    Definitive Illegal Formation Rules-stillillegal.jpg

    Consistently, lack of a mid-row player results in an illegal formation.
    If you can show otherwise, please do. I can't.
    If you can provide an alternate theory why the above 5-0-0-3w-2 formation is illegal, please do. I can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dv8r View Post
    He is correct. Not having ML/MC/MR is not illegal as I have also played against teams without one and no possession penalty was given
    Please explain why this formation is illegal then:
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    Consistently, lack of a mid-row player results in an illegal formation.
    If you can show otherwise, please do. I can't.
    If you can provide an alternate theory why the above 5-0-0-3w-2 formation is illegal, please do. I can't.
    A remark in another thread makes me wonder if this rule misinterprets what a midfielder is?

    • at least 3 midfielders (DM*, M*, AM*) at least one of which has to be in the middle row (MC, ML or MR) *This rule isn't totally confirmed
    Thus it could be:
    • at least x midfielders (DM* or M*) (AM* not counting as a 'midfielder' )

    That would fit both observations, i think.

    Test cases for x = 1:

    • 5-1-0-1-3 (1 DM* midfielder) ILLEGAL
      Definitive Illegal Formation Rules-5-1-0-1-3.jpg
    • 5-0-1-1-3 (1 M* midfielder) ILLEGAL
      Definitive Illegal Formation Rules-5-0-1-1-3.jpg
    • 5-1-0-2-2 LEGAL
      Definitive Illegal Formation Rules-5-1-0-2-2legal.jpg

    Pretty solid case for adjusting the rule to:
    at least 3 midfielders (DM*, M*, AM*) at least one of which has to be an DM* or M*

    Accounts for all known observations at this time.
    Last edited by Razz; 04-28-2013 at 01:15 PM.
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    How about 4-3-3?

    --ST ST ST--
    --------------
    --MC----MC--
    --------------
    -----MC-----
    DL-DC-DC-DR
    -----GK-------

    I read about needing to have Wingers then is counted as a legal formations, but in this case, i dont have any wingers, is it ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimozi View Post
    How about 4-3-3?

    --ST ST ST--
    --------------
    --MC----MC--
    --------------
    -----MC-----
    DL-DC-DC-DR
    -----GK-------

    I read about needing to have Wingers then is counted as a legal formations, but in this case, i dont have any wingers, is it ok?
    Read the first post in this thread. Do you still have questions?
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