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    Project- IDEAS- O.M.A. Nations League of Federations Teams

    COPY/PASTE OF THE ENTIRE ORIGINAL PROJECT

    O.M.A. NATIONS LEAGUE OF NATIONAL FEDERATIONS
    EXPERIMENTAL TOURNAMENT

    1.Basics
    The Nations League will be a Top Eleven Community Tournament that will try to recreate in a realistic way, the structure of the Real National Teams, having National Presidencies where Apply for a job to administrate the Leadership of the National Federation of a particular Federation, National Coach that will be hired by the Presidency and that will have the Task to create and manage, a national team integrated by 6 National players, and the National Players by themselves, that will have to work to be selected to be part of the national 6.
    Once a competition starts, every Federation will have to have a National 6 that can't be replaced during a Tournament. Only a Coach can be Fired.
    2. Organization, Roles and Powers
    First of all, as this is a National Federations tournament, a National Federation will have to be created by a National Top Eleven Manager.
    In the TE Forum, then we will probably open a thread and a FB group will be created as a tool to organize the national federations.
    Once a Federation has been created a manager will be named as Interim President.
    Initially, he will stay as President during the Experimental tournament.
    His job is to try to group the National Players to, allow them to be part of the team and participate in this experience, and will have to hire, a National Coach.
    We can talk about the idea that the President could try to find rewards/gifts for his team and coach if they win.
    We will try to have a national Player as president, and national Players to represent a Federation as in the real life, and, the Coach could be a "foreigner".
    Then, once the Coach has been hired, he will have to, find the national players interested to play the competition we purpose, he can check their teams, ask General information about Playing Style and info' of interest about managerial skills, and can, prepare some kind of Competition or Test, to select and discard players to compose the National team.
    Initially, the President and a Coach can not play the matches. But i there's a lack of Managers, the President can be at his own request, to be purposed as National Coach, needing the approval of the Federation members (here we could create a Assambly system only having a limited amount of known National Managers but not now yet)


    So, resume:
    The Players, are selected by the Coach.
    The Coach, hired by the President, who will have different options to hire the appropiate Coach, by own decision, or asking to the National Managers between some options.
    The President, is actually Interim, but in the furure a Federation can call to elections and, different Candidates, can apply to the job, having a Project, with a Particular Coach of his taste that will be the National coach if he wins the elections, or, he can, stand for election without suggesting a coach or having different candidates that will be voted if he wins.
    Then;
    The Players, can't be fired from the National 11 during a Tournament, as the list of 6 participants, has been sent.
    If, a Player, loses 2 consecutive Matches or, 2 out 3, will have to be replaced by the coach in the upcoming match, so will have no chances to sum up points.
    If a Coach, loses 2 consecutive matches, or, 2 out 3, scoring "0" or "1" single point of the 9 achievable in these particular matches, the President, can fire him and find a replacement.
    The Role as President will remain till the end of a Tournament, where the "citzens will judge and vote". lol

    3. Competition
    In this Experimental version, we will try to have 6 teams if posible, in 2 groups of 3 teams, where the best 2 will go to next stage, played in a 2 legs Playoff style, the Finale, will have 2 legs too, and at some point, we could consider it, like a home/away format, or a 1st-2nd Half Format of a same match.
    The tournament matches will be played in a 3vs3 Format, where in first place, the Visitor Coach, will have to select 3 Players to be faced by the Local Team.
    Then, the Local Coach, will decide which of his 6 Players, will face each opponent player.
    Both Coaches, can give particular tips or match instructions to the players.
    In a second Leg, the process will be the same, the Visitor Coach will have to pick out 3 players inside his team, and the local coach will select 3 players that can be different from the first leg, to play each 1vs1.
    Remember that a Player can't be selected to play x2 matches inside the same Leg.
    "In the future, and just as Idea, we could count the RED CARDS as suspensions too for a particular player, so can be even more strategic"
    In case of a Draw in a particular Playoff, The Captains, that will be the Players with Higher Level inside the National 6, will play a double Leg playoff, where away goals count double and, in case of Draw:
    if the score it's like 1-0 /0-1 = 1-1 a 3rd Match will be needed, repeating the one set as 2nd leg, so representing the Extra Time of that match, and 4 subs will be allowed during the match that can last will the 120' to determine a winner.
    If the score is a Draw with same amount of goals like 1-1/1-1 = 2-2 then the 2nd leg ET will be counted, to avoid a 3rd match, and a 4th substitution will be allowed during the Extra Time.

    Rewards
    Quack.





    SKETCH
    The planning is a 114,9% and a 139,9% competition that will be played separately -not same season both- and alternating them in cicles of 2 seasons playing comps, 2 resting.

    So lets say the season 140 we play the 114,9% one and season 141 the 139,9% competition, and then we rest 2 seasons.

    No 1-3* players allowed in both cases but the 9* will be forbbiden in the 114,9% avq tie.

    It will be played using the recently created National federations, which will need to, vote a President who will hire a National Coach, that can be the own president if the managers are agree (we'll have various election project styles to be voted). This "figure can not play" because will have the real job as National coach, doing a list of 6 Managers to Represent the country in a Nations League Tournament that we can try to spare in 2 divisions (like x4 groups of 3/4 teams in 1st division and 2-4 Groups in the 2nd division, so we could hav epromotions and relegations.

    The Matches will be played in a 3vs3 NOT FIXED Format, meaning this that the Local Coach will decide who play VS who.

    "IF" a Manager/national Player loses x2 consecutive Matches the Coach will be Forced to replace him for another Manager inside the Subs list, which as mentioned as we will have lists of 6 Managers per National Team, 3 will play and 3,will be substitutes. The coach can by technical decision, decide to replace a particular Manager before the 2 defeats, as strategic movement, but in the Away matches he will always, have to provide a List of 3 Managers to the Local Coach, who will decide the draws.

    The best 3 Managers (or we could set a min' of points to be earned to reward a 4th/5th/6th ) and the Confederations Cup winner Coach will win "X" Tokens.

    If we create 2 divisions, we could have x2 group stages, x2 playof rounds and an amount for the 1st Div winners and another for the 2nd div winners, who ofc. will promote.

    It will be, as mentioned, played by National Managers that belong to the different Federations


    ----This is actually a sketch to complement the community tournaments having another competition apart from the Community World Cup----

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    Is a job of the National president to suggest a National Coach for each team, based on his criteria. If he want to apply to that particular job it will need the approval in a public voting of the federation members (Assambly) that have to have at least Level 20. Too, he can suggest, different managers and submit to a voting poll the decision.
    In case that a president won a election campaign suggesting a particular coach/coaches for 114,9-139,9 AvQ National teams, the decision will remain the same as in the electoral program and will not need approval.
    Different coaches can be voted publicly too, to win the right to maange a national team.

    Can a Coach be fired or replaced? Yes. Conditions to determine***
    - If a Coach loses x2 consecutive times earning 0 points of 9 in x2 consecutive 3vs3, or, loses 2 times earning 0 points in a period of 3 consecutive matches.
    - If a Coach loses a 1st Playoff leg earning 0 points and the National Team needs a comeback.
    These 2 reasons are a major reason to fire a National coach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khris View Post
    The planning is a 114,9% and a 139,9% competition that will be played separately -not same season both- and alternating them in cicles of 2 seasons playing comps, 2 resting.

    So lets say the season 140 we play the 114,9% one and season 141 the 139,9% competition, and then we rest 2 seasons.

    No 1-3* players allowed in both cases but the 9* will be forbbiden in the 114,9% avq tie.

    It will be played using the recently created National federations, which will need to, vote a President who will hire a National Coach, that can be the own president if the managers are agree (we'll have various election project styles to be voted). This "figure can not play" because will have the real job as National coach, doing a list of 6 Managers to Represent the country in a Nations League Tournament that we can try to spare in 2 divisions (like x4 groups of 3/4 teams in 1st division and 2-4 Groups in the 2nd division, so we could hav epromotions and relegations.

    The Matches will be played in a 3vs3 NOT FIXED Format, meaning this that the Local Coach will decide who play VS who.

    "IF" a Manager/national Player loses x2 consecutive Matches the Coach will be Forced to replace him for another Manager inside the Subs list, which as mentioned as we will have lists of 6 Managers per National Team, 3 will play and 3,will be substitutes. The coach can by technical decision, decide to replace a particular Manager before the 2 defeats, as strategic movement, but in the Away matches he will always, have to provide a List of 3 Managers to the Local Coach, who will decide the draws.

    The best 3 Managers (or we could set a min' of points to be earned to reward a 4th/5th/6th ) and the Confederations Cup winner Coach will win "X" Tokens.

    If we create 2 divisions, we could have x2 group stages, x2 playof rounds and an amount for the 1st Div winners and another for the 2nd div winners, who ofc. will promote.

    It will be, as mentioned, played by National Managers that belong to the different Federations


    ----This is actually a sketch to complement the community tournaments having another competition apart from the Community World Cup----

    edit--
    Is a job of the National president to suggest a National Coach for each team, based on his criteria. If he want to apply to that particular job it will need the approval in a public voting of the federation members (Assambly) that have to have at least Level 20. Too, he can suggest, different managers and submit to a voting poll the decision.
    In case that a president won a election campaign suggesting a particular coach/coaches for 114,9-139,9 AvQ National teams, the decision will remain the same as in the electoral program and will not need approval.
    Different coaches can be voted publicly too, to win the right to maange a national team.

    Can a Coach be fired or replaced? Yes. Conditions to determine***
    - If a Coach loses x2 consecutive times earning 0 points of 9 in x2 consecutive 3vs3, or, loses 2 times earning 0 points in a period of 3 consecutive matches.
    - If a Coach loses a 1st Playoff leg earning 0 points and the National Team needs a comeback.
    These 2 reasons are a major reason to fire a National coach.
    This is so complicated.


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    Khris imo there are already tournament formats in real life that work and they have been created by people smarter than us.
    Lets keep the National Manager desicion maker . Make it fixed 3x3 in Groups with 4 countries at first .. so semifinals and then finals and lets have one final made for the best loosing teams the national manager will take action only if needed and lets keep the subs as well .

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    Quote Originally Posted by khris View Post
    The planning is a 114,9% and a 139,9% competition that will be played separately -not same season both- and alternating them in cicles of 2 seasons playing comps, 2 resting.

    So lets say the season 140 we play the 114,9% one and season 141 the 139,9% competition, and then we rest 2 seasons.

    No 1-3* players allowed in both cases but the 9* will be forbbiden in the 114,9% avq tie.

    It will be played using the recently created National federations, which will need to, vote a President who will hire a National Coach, that can be the own president if the managers are agree (we'll have various election project styles to be voted). This "figure can not play" because will have the real job as National coach, doing a list of 6 Managers to Represent the country in a Nations League Tournament that we can try to spare in 2 divisions (like x4 groups of 3/4 teams in 1st division and 2-4 Groups in the 2nd division, so we could hav epromotions and relegations.

    The Matches will be played in a 3vs3 NOT FIXED Format, meaning this that the Local Coach will decide who play VS who.

    "IF" a Manager/national Player loses x2 consecutive Matches the Coach will be Forced to replace him for another Manager inside the Subs list, which as mentioned as we will have lists of 6 Managers per National Team, 3 will play and 3,will be substitutes. The coach can by technical decision, decide to replace a particular Manager before the 2 defeats, as strategic movement, but in the Away matches he will always, have to provide a List of 3 Managers to the Local Coach, who will decide the draws.

    The best 3 Managers (or we could set a min' of points to be earned to reward a 4th/5th/6th ) and the Confederations Cup winner Coach will win "X" Tokens.

    If we create 2 divisions, we could have x2 group stages, x2 playof rounds and an amount for the 1st Div winners and another for the 2nd div winners, who ofc. will promote.

    It will be, as mentioned, played by National Managers that belong to the different Federations


    ----This is actually a sketch to complement the community tournaments having another competition apart from the Community World Cup----

    edit--
    Is a job of the National president to suggest a National Coach for each team, based on his criteria. If he want to apply to that particular job it will need the approval in a public voting of the federation members (Assambly) that have to have at least Level 20. Too, he can suggest, different managers and submit to a voting poll the decision.
    In case that a president won a election campaign suggesting a particular coach/coaches for 114,9-139,9 AvQ National teams, the decision will remain the same as in the electoral program and will not need approval.
    Different coaches can be voted publicly too, to win the right to maange a national team.

    Can a Coach be fired or replaced? Yes. Conditions to determine***
    - If a Coach loses x2 consecutive times earning 0 points of 9 in x2 consecutive 3vs3, or, loses 2 times earning 0 points in a period of 3 consecutive matches.
    - If a Coach loses a 1st Playoff leg earning 0 points and the National Team needs a comeback.
    These 2 reasons are a major reason to fire a National coach.
    Hello and Congratulations for your Work! It seems Very interesting.
    My question is how can someone participate to this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichigos Kurosakis View Post
    Khris imo there are already tournament formats in real life that work and they have been created by people smarter than us.
    Lets keep the National Manager desicion maker . Make it fixed 3x3 in Groups with 4 countries at first .. so semifinals and then finals and lets have one final made for the best loosing teams the national manager will take action only if needed and lets keep the subs as well .
    We always do the same, Group stage, playoffs, change avq, "fair rules", maybe a League, but it doesnt exist a Realistic Stile of tournament giving the Role as Coach, and with the option to be fired and replaced if fail hard for example to qualify for a competition or something else.

    I want to emulate a real team structure with this, too for the managers that only can feel as part of a Real National team, selected by a Coach that belongs to a National Team structure with a President being responsible of th e decisions, doing something like this.

    Really, we have actually the Community World Cup that keeps the same line as the regular friendly competitions that are made in many places, but including Fair Rules with Limited margins and that allow wide scores and equality but, still it doesnt exist a competition where u can be responsible to Select&Manage a group of players to win vs a particular team.

    So I stand with this cause I'm preety sure that will bring us a new experience. Top Eleven should have a 2nd team which can fire you, maybe linked tto FAs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orfanos Dimitris View Post
    Hello and Congratulations for your Work! It seems Very interesting.
    My question is how can someone participate to this?
    Thanks

    In the National teams subforum Ive been opening National Federations, these will have a Facebook page too, so as I mentioned above if we do this, it will have a realistic way to be managed, and you will need, to join a federation of your country to be able, to be selected to play winning a spot, or, to be coach or president.

    Next season we will play the Community World Cup, as we are actually playing the last qualify round, Copa Asia, and then, next seasons maybe, we can plan this.


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    Ok it sounds better now that you explained more. It seems fair to be able to fire a coach or hire but it all comes down to the players. I guess the best scouter would be the best head coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichigos Kurosakis View Post
    Ok it sounds better now that you explained more. It seems fair to be able to fire a coach or hire but it all comes down to the players. I guess the best scouter would be the best head coach.
    Yep, a coach and a president and even a national player will feel some kind of pressure doing a comp like this, and thats the target, it will be like if your Top Eleven sack you from the team if you dont promote/tank. XD

    Special feeling, non accessible for everyone.

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    IDEAS**

    This changed to a variant without coach, having the Captain the coach powers to decide who face who and to undo draws.
    Posted here theinitial sketch:
    https://www.topeleven.info/community...eague-project/

    2 systems to do national selections allowed, playing in groups of 3 since the beginning declaring a captain, and the best 3 winner represents the nation or, x3 playoffs same time, (all managers divided in 3 playoffs) so we have 3 individual winners, this in case that there arent many managers likely.

    Then the 139,9% comp could have 7 managers but no rewards*

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    STRUCTURE SKETCH (PERSONAL USE)

    -select national presidents/ admins to group/call national managers and administrate the National playoffs -these are added in a specific group to organize all properly-

    -National playoffs allowed in 2 formats

    -then once we have the 3 managers (or 5, 7 etc depending ont he format) we will add in a document the list of " summoned players"

    -the Divisions of Nations will be created depending on the amount of managers/participation, giving preferance to join the division A those with more managers/ and that may to a national selection using the 3vd3 format, instead a selection by individual merit (which is more appropiated is we have only 10, 20 managers in the little nations)


    added... presidents that are supposed to be admins to promote the group and help in the playoffs could have a direct spot in the U140 team.
    if more than a manager wants to be president, elections will be needed using the IMBOX of the OMA FB group.
    Captains will be choosen using another system/rules as the meritocracy.

    Thinking about a 5vs5 for the 140U

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    Last edited by khris; 04-21-2020 at 10:25 AM.