Counter Formations Less Effective Now?

[Sxrenity]

Oh okay, we're all wrong.

And no, they aren't stronger, at all. The average quality in regards to star rating is exactly the same, same types of managers, same types of tactics etc.

But yeah, you're right, everyone here is wrong.

I am trolled this season ...12Q difference and I used counter formation still lost the game

Counter Formations Less Effective Now? YES

in this season I use only 4-3N-2W-1 and 4-5-1 V-Style, in 10 games - 9 wins and 1 draw, but I also played this formations in last season and lost/draw 70% my games, even against teams 6Q weaker

if you not have troll season you can win single formation in every game, but if you have troll season you can be beaten by any formation when you have better counter formation

Those two formations seem to be absolutely dominate lately for some reason. It's not just you.
I guess i could switch to using them, ..

yes, for sure very recently something changed in the match simulation
on my side, even if I've a very high ball possession, it is very difficult to score and almost impossible with striker.
And it is not just for me... in the scorer top ten of my leage, the first 3 places are for midfielders.

i noticed a change too
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...-strategy.html

all honesty, i dont believe in counter formations

I've been hating on 4 4 2 for a long time, and recently it seems Narrow Diamond is also harder to beat than before, that is, what I have in the past had fair success with hasn't been working.

But I also wonder if the engine has changed in the way it treats home and away, especially in Cup and CL, I've had some slightly odd results.

[joshyt]

Sorry that is not all.

Not only does higher levels have better managers, lower teams are much closer in ability.

For example: 105q team versus 100q will have a tougher time than 25q team versus 20q. In the first scenario the first team is just 5% stronger. In the second scenario it is 25% stronger. this difference gets smaller every season.

This means all of the levers a manager can pull such as Possession/Strategy/win bonus etc etc mean less at higher levels. So these 'harder to beat' teams are actually much closer in natural ability than they used to be. These teams are not a bunch of clowns who will roll over and gladly take a beating.

[FCB]

Sorry that is not all.

Not only does higher levels have better managers, lower teams are much closer in ability.

For example: 105q team versus 100q will have a tougher time than 25q team versus 20q. In the first scenario the first team is just 5% stronger. In the second scenario it is 25% stronger. this difference gets smaller every season.

This means all of the levers a manager can pull such as Possession/Strategy/win bonus etc etc mean less at higher levels. So these 'harder to beat' teams are actually much closer in natural ability than they used to be. These teams are not a bunch of clowns who will roll over and gladly take a beating.

does 3* team equal to 6* team ?

what about this ... 8* striker did not have single shot ?

[joshyt]

does 3* team equal to 6* team ?

what about this ... 8* striker did not have single shot ?

The stars are 'vanity symbols'.

That first team looks better than 3 stars. But in any case 3 star team isn't half the quality of a 6 star team it is much closer than that.

Look at the performance of your goal keepers. Clearly made some errors and so did your DMC.

[Saransh Vatsa]

The stars are 'vanity symbols'.

That first team looks better than 3 stars. But in any case 3 star team isn't half the quality of a 6 star team it is much closer than that.

Look at the performance of your goal keepers. Clearly made some errors and so did your DMC.

LOLs so u talking like an experienced manager draw ur concusions from RATINGS????!!!! Hilarious.... It has been proved time and again that ratings are random

[Belvedere]

Sorry that is not all.

Not only does higher levels have better managers, lower teams are much APART in ability.

For example: 105q team versus 100q will have a tougher time than 25q team versus 20q. In the first scenario the first team is just 5% stronger. In the second scenario it is 25% stronger. this difference gets smaller every season.

This means all of the levers a manager can pull such as Possession/Strategy/win bonus etc etc mean less at higher levels. So these 'harder to beat' teams are actually much closer in natural ability than they used to be. These teams are not a bunch of clowns who will roll over and gladly take a beating.

Better

[Saransh Vatsa]

Sorry that is not all.

Not only does higher levels have better managers, lower teams are much closer in ability.

For example: 105q team versus 100q will have a tougher time than 25q team versus 20q. In the first scenario the first team is just 5% stronger. In the second scenario it is 25% stronger. this difference gets smaller every season.

This means all of the levers a manager can pull such as Possession/Strategy/win bonus etc etc mean less at higher levels. So these 'harder to beat' teams are actually much closer in natural ability than they used to be. These teams are not a bunch of clowns who will roll over and gladly take a beating.

What level are U Mister???? May I ask?

[Cat Harrison]

Sorry that is not all.

Not only does higher levels have better managers, lower teams are much closer in ability.

For example: 105q team versus 100q will have a tougher time than 25q team versus 20q. In the first scenario the first team is just 5% stronger. In the second scenario it is 25% stronger. this difference gets smaller every season.

This means all of the levers a manager can pull such as Possession/Strategy/win bonus etc etc mean less at higher levels. So these 'harder to beat' teams are actually much closer in natural ability than they used to be. These teams are not a bunch of clowns who will roll over and gladly take a beating.

He knows all this.

This is not what he was commenting on. I have played soccer, watched countless hours of it, and I have played this game plenty enough to notice when things change, and in regards to the formations he mentioned, there does seem to be different results than expected for me. Maybe you don't have this opinion, that's ok. But that's what this thread is about. Please refrain from insulting other users of this Forum henceforth.

[Sxrenity]

He knows all this.

This is not what he was commenting on. I have played soccer, watched countless hours of it, and I have played this game plenty enough to notice when things change, and in regards to the formations he mentioned, there does seem to be different results than expected for me. Maybe you don't have this opinion, that's ok. But that's what this thread is about. Please refrain from insulting other users of this Forum henceforth.

THIS.

All i wanted was for other people with the same experiences to share them with me here, not for someone to start pointing out things we already know, and to imply the reason for what feels like changes to the game engine, to be down to us being 'inferior' managers and being 'found out'.

Thankyou, now maybe we can get back on topic?

I've got a game coming up against a 4-4-2 tomorrow, joint top of the league with me too, slightly less average quality, I'll let you all know how it goes.

[Sxrenity]

There's just no point trying to argue with this guy, he's a self proclaimed Top Eleven expert.

If you don't mind me asking, show us your trophy room and current squad, and then we'll decide whether to take your opinions onboard.